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    1. Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829
    2. David I had wrongly assumed they were one and the same person but just as well I didn't delete the Ploughman. I had made him a duplicate so easy to unscramble. The reference to Oxfordshire and the same period had led me to the wrong conclusion. So I will look out for a possible death of Laura's Tasmanian Thomas back in England which might be a possibilty unless he joined his cousins in America. And I also need to locate the ploughman's baptism and satisfy myself concerning the 1835 sentence and death in Paramatta. Stuart won't be encouraged to search further for me if I tell him that on the NSW website to which you referred, I found John Handley KNIBBS amongst the insolvents 1873! bfn Alan bfn Alan > It would seem that the Thomas convicted in 1835 must be a different one. > Had it been Thomas who arrived on the Mary in 1830 the details of a > second offence in Tasmania would have been recorded on the original > convict record as were the other minor offences. I certainly can't find > a death for him in Tasmania though. Of course it is not unknown for > convicts to change their names to cover their past so it doesn't mean he > didn't die here. There was only one convict named Thomas Knibbs > transported to Tasmania being the one who arrived on the Mary. > > In an earlier message you mentioned: > > "I do have a record of a Thomas KNIBBS bc1798, ploughman from > Oxfordshire, who > was transported for seven years having been sentenced on 29 July 1824 > and who > died at Parramatta NSW in 1856." > > Perhaps you were right with this one being the one who died in 1856. It > would seem likely that the Thomas convicted in 1824 may have been the > one who arrived in New South Wales in 1825 who I mentioned in an earlier > message: > > "He received a certificate of freedom on 3 Aug 1831. He arrived in NSW > on the Royal Charlotte in 1825. I found this on the Index to > Certificates of Freedom on the State Records of New South Wales site at > http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/convicts/convictrecords.htm You > may like to also look at guides to their convict records at > http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/publications/aibs/002/page01.htm" > > Cheers, > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jackari2@aol.com [mailto:Jackari2@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2004 7:45 AM > To: KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 > > > David > > I just have as my source, Stuart KNIBBS, but that might only indicate > that he > found a Thomas NIBBS death at Paramatta NSW and that I've conjectured > it's > him, perhaps because of his age which might also have been given. > > It would be good to verify, particularly as I had from somewhere this > description which differs in some respects to the one you have given. > > Description: Ht 5' 9 1/2" Complexion: Sallow Hair: Brown Eyes: Blue > > I'm not at all sure from where this comes, though I had assumed from his > > convict record on a conviction for another term of seven years in 1835. > Unless on > promtion to Constable. Does this make any sense? The difference did > set me > thinking whether there might not be two Thomases who fell foul of the > law. > > bfn > > Alan > > > I notice in information you have each posted that Thomas Nibbs died at > > > Parramatta, NSW in 1856. Having found the convict record for Thomas I > > am keen to see what else I might be able to uncover. How did you > > connect the 1856 death as being this Thomas and does the information > > recorded for his death give any other information that might help > > trace what happened between gaining his certificate of freedom and his > > > death? > > > > >

    05/25/2004 04:13:19
    1. RE: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829
    2. Boon, David G
    3. Alan, It would seem that the Thomas convicted in 1835 must be a different one. Had it been Thomas who arrived on the Mary in 1830 the details of a second offence in Tasmania would have been recorded on the original convict record as were the other minor offences. I certainly can't find a death for him in Tasmania though. Of course it is not unknown for convicts to change their names to cover their past so it doesn't mean he didn't die here. There was only one convict named Thomas Knibbs transported to Tasmania being the one who arrived on the Mary. In an earlier message you mentioned: "I do have a record of a Thomas KNIBBS bc1798, ploughman from Oxfordshire, who was transported for seven years having been sentenced on 29 July 1824 and who died at Parramatta NSW in 1856." Perhaps you were right with this one being the one who died in 1856. It would seem likely that the Thomas convicted in 1824 may have been the one who arrived in New South Wales in 1825 who I mentioned in an earlier message: "He received a certificate of freedom on 3 Aug 1831. He arrived in NSW on the Royal Charlotte in 1825. I found this on the Index to Certificates of Freedom on the State Records of New South Wales site at http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/convicts/convictrecords.htm You may like to also look at guides to their convict records at http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/publications/aibs/002/page01.htm" Cheers, David -----Original Message----- From: Jackari2@aol.com [mailto:Jackari2@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2004 7:45 AM To: KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 David I just have as my source, Stuart KNIBBS, but that might only indicate that he found a Thomas NIBBS death at Paramatta NSW and that I've conjectured it's him, perhaps because of his age which might also have been given. It would be good to verify, particularly as I had from somewhere this description which differs in some respects to the one you have given. Description: Ht 5' 9 1/2" Complexion: Sallow Hair: Brown Eyes: Blue I'm not at all sure from where this comes, though I had assumed from his convict record on a conviction for another term of seven years in 1835. Unless on promtion to Constable. Does this make any sense? The difference did set me thinking whether there might not be two Thomases who fell foul of the law. bfn Alan > I notice in information you have each posted that Thomas Nibbs died at > Parramatta, NSW in 1856. Having found the convict record for Thomas I > am keen to see what else I might be able to uncover. How did you > connect the 1856 death as being this Thomas and does the information > recorded for his death give any other information that might help > trace what happened between gaining his certificate of freedom and his > death? > > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

    05/25/2004 03:27:31
    1. Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829
    2. David I just have as my source, Stuart KNIBBS, but that might only indicate that he found a Thomas NIBBS death at Paramatta NSW and that I've conjectured it's him, perhaps because of his age which might also have been given. It would be good to verify, particularly as I had from somewhere this description which differs in some respects to the one you have given. Description: Ht 5' 9 1/2" Complexion: Sallow Hair: Brown Eyes: Blue I'm not at all sure from where this comes, though I had assumed from his convict record on a conviction for another term of seven years in 1835. Unless on promtion to Constable. Does this make any sense? The difference did set me thinking whether there might not be two Thomases who fell foul of the law. bfn Alan > I notice in information you have each posted that Thomas Nibbs died at > Parramatta, NSW in 1856. Having found the convict record for Thomas I am > keen to see what else I might be able to uncover. How did you connect > the 1856 death as being this Thomas and does the information recorded > for his death give any other information that might help trace what > happened between gaining his certificate of freedom and his death? > >

    05/24/2004 11:44:42
    1. Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas Knibbs/Elizabeth Churchill - 18th century
    2. Valerie This is very interesting and perhaps you could tell me from where the information comes? I'm interested in any marriage date given and whether she died in 1792? bfn Alan > Elizabeth Churchill, daughter of Thomas Churchill (1737 - 1781) and Sarah > Dolley (d. Mar 1766) married Thomas Knibbs at St George Hanover Square. > Elizabeth died age 28 and was buried at Deddington, Oxfordshire. She was > born bet 1760 and 1766. Her parents married at Souldern, 1759 and resided at > > Park Street, St George Hanover Square, London. > Plenty known about the Churchill line but nothing more about Thomas Knibbs. > >

    05/24/2004 04:38:04
    1. RE: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829
    2. Boon, David G
    3. Alan and Laura, I notice in information you have each posted that Thomas Nibbs died at Parramatta, NSW in 1856. Having found the convict record for Thomas I am keen to see what else I might be able to uncover. How did you connect the 1856 death as being this Thomas and does the information recorded for his death give any other information that might help trace what happened between gaining his certificate of freedom and his death? Regards, David

    05/24/2004 03:45:40
    1. Thomas Knibbs/Elizabeth Churchill - 18th century
    2. Valerie Fairbrass
    3. Elizabeth Churchill, daughter of Thomas Churchill (1737 - 1781) and Sarah Dolley (d. Mar 1766) married Thomas Knibbs at St George Hanover Square. Elizabeth died age 28 and was buried at Deddington, Oxfordshire. She was born bet 1760 and 1766. Her parents married at Souldern, 1759 and resided at Park Street, St George Hanover Square, London. Plenty known about the Churchill line but nothing more about Thomas Knibbs. Valerie Fairbrass _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

    05/22/2004 04:00:27
    1. Well done Alison .....
    2. ... but who are you? WATCHORN SERVE UP A TITLE CLAIM - 22 May 2004 Watchorn made an early claim for the Derby Area Tennis League Division One Mixed title with a hard-fought win over Rolls-Royce. ......... Ashbourne II now lead Division Four after first beating Littleover II 5-4 at home. Clayton and Brown and Bailey and Simpson-Alsop both won five sets apiece. With a slightly reshuffled line-up, Ashbourne II then took on Belper Meadows where they enjoyed a more resounding win, eventually seeing off their opponents in a 5-0.5 victory. Pat Brown and Mark O'Neill, together with Roz Hughes and Andy Bailey managed to stay unbeaten throughout the tie. Ashbourne Ladies, relegated from the top flight last season, travelled to mid-table Duffield II for a nail-biting clash that ended in a 4.5-all draw. Judith Johnson and Ursula Kaul led from the front for Ashbourne, winning five sets, but they were matched by Duffield's Edge and Harrison, who recorded the same number of wins, clinching the number two battle with a 6-2, 6-2 win over Ashbourne's Debbie Lynam and Chris Bull. Lynam and Bull came back, however, to halve with Duffield's Caroline Woods and Alison Knibbs 4-6, 6-2 to grab a share of the points for their side. ..........

    05/22/2004 09:37:16
    1. Re: [K/NIBB/S] 1837online
    2. Don Knibbs
    3. Alan, Thanks for passing on the information about Millicent Tyrell who isn't Millicent at all, but Amelia. That came as quite a surprise. I suspect that her pet name within the family may have been Millicent or Millie as those I'm in contact with who were close to this part of the family have never mentioned I had it wrong. Don > Here's one for Don. I had Millicent as having married his Ernest Thomas > KNIBBS born 27Oct1888 Clifton/Deddington, baptised 31Oct1890 Deddington and who > died 1Qtr1927 Banbury District where their children were born. Not > having found a Millicent death or re-marriage, I checked her name on marriage at > 1837online to find it given there as Amelia E TYRRELL.

    05/22/2004 08:39:50
    1. [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829
    2. Laurie Knibbs
    3. Dave Boon, I thank you for all the informarion you searched & worked on and sent to me and Alan and others. I sure am glad to have this information and I emailed it to my Cousin Kathy Knibbs in Florida. These names below are Thomas' parent and siblings: CHILDREN OF JOHN & SARAH KNIBBS WILLIAM KNIBBS BORN 1791 IN WROXTON DIED 06-02-1851 OCCUPATION: AG LABS ELIZABETH KNIBBS WIFE OF WILLIAM KNIBBS THOMAS KNIBBS BORN 1798 IN WROXTON DIED 1856 (PRISON FOR 14 YEARS PER 1828 CENSUS) MARY KNIBBS WIFE OF THOMAS KNIBBS MARY KNIBBS BORN 1800 IN WROXTON THOMAS LOVELL HUSBAND OF MARY KNIBBS GEORGE KNIBBS BORN 1801 IN WROXTON ENGLAND BAPTISED 04-00-1802 DIED 1865 BURIED IN WALLKILL CEMETERY, MIDDLETOWN NY HANNAH GARRET WIFE OF GEORGE KNIBBS BORN 1798 DIED 1865 BURIED IN WALLKILL CEMETERY, MIDDLETOWN NY RICHARD KNIBBS BORN 1803 IN WROXTON BAPTISED 09-23-1803 DIED ?? PHOEBE TAYLOR WIFE OF RICHARD KNIBBS JOSEPH KNIBBS BORN 1805 IN WROXTON BAPTISED 07-14-1805 DIED ?? ANN MELLAVISE WIFE OF JOSEPH KNIBBS JOHN KNIBBS BORN 1811 IN WROXTON BAPTISED 05-05-1811 DIED 10-04-1886 OCCUPATION: LABORER LOUISA KNIBBS WIFE OF JOHN KNIBBS (FIRST) SARAH KNIBBS WIFE OF JOHN KNIBBS (SECOND) ELIZABETH KNIBBS BORN 1813 BAPTISED 09-26-1813 IN BALSCOTT OXFORD DIED ?? BURIED ST. PETER EAST OXFORD ANN KNIBBS BORN 1817 BAPTISED 05-24-1817 DIED 05-29-1880 JOHN BRANE HUSBAND OF ANN KNIBBS GRANDPARENTS WILILIAM KNIBBS BORN IN WROXTON, ENGLAND CIRCA 1750'S MARY WARTERS KNIBBS BORN IN WROXTON ENGLAND CIRCA 1750'S ----- Original Message ----- From: "Boon, David G" <david.boon@education.tas.gov.au> To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 11:58 PM Subject: RE: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 > Laura and others interested, > > Following up on my previous message about the Franks brothers who Thomas > Knibbs was assigned to, they were Charles and John Franks. They also had > a brother, Edward (jun). Edward (jun), Charles and their father, Edward > are mentioned on the following site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/indexes/grant_f.htm > > Edward (sen) was married to Harriet Eliza Lowther as mentioned on > http://www.londonancestor.com/ri/339.htm > > A servant of one member of the Franks family was killed by aborigines in > 1825 and John Franks and one of his servants, William Walker, were > attacked by aborigines in 1828. Walker was killed. This information is > on the pdf document > http://www.historians.org.au/forumsupport/Casualties-VDL.PDF This gives > some idea of the place that Thomas Knibbs came to just two years later. > > Aborigines killed a Captain Franks in Port Phillip (now Victoria) in > 1833 http://www.utas.edu.au/library/info/collec/arch/SubjectR.ascii This > was Charles as shown on > http://www.utas.edu.au/library/info/collec/arch/Roy.ascii > > There is a book about early settlement in Van Diemen's Land (Tasmania) > that has been digitised and made available on the WWW at > http://setis.library.usyd.edu.au/ozlit/pdf/p00004.pdf A former servant > of one of the Franks family is mentioned in this book as being a > bushranger (the term used for an escaped convict who was at large and > committing robberies and other crimes). The reference to this is at the > end of the 8th page in chapter 10. This gives a really good idea of what > Thomas Knibbs found when he arrived an actually mentions Green Ponds > (now Kempton) > > Hope all of this is of interest > > David > > > > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

    05/22/2004 03:58:47
    1. Congratulations to whose son?
    2. -------------------- 1,031 students receive diplomas from NCC -------------------- May 21, 2004 Northampton Community College held its 36th annual commencement Thursday at Stabler Arena, Bethlehem. Gregory Farrington, president of Lehigh University, gave the commencement address. The class was the first to receive diplomas and certificates from Arthur Scott, who is completing his first year as NCC president. A total of 1,031 students who completed their studies in August, in December and this month were eligible to be honored during the ceremony. Graduates from the Lehigh Valley region are: ....... From Easton: ... Chris D. Knibbs; .......

    05/21/2004 10:31:57
    1. Thomas Knibbs' convict records on Yahoo Group
    2. Boon, David G
    3. Dear All, I have just uploaded to the Knibbs Yahoo Group the convict record and description for Thomas Knibbs from Roxton, Oxfordshire. He was sent to Tasmania on the Mary, leaving in 1829 and arriving in 1830. Also a reminder to those posting photos and files you can make individual folders within the main folders. This will help in locating particular documents as the numbers of things uploaded grows. I simply created a new folder in the files folder and called it Tasmanian Knibbs. I then put the two records in this folder. It was easy but let me know if you are not sure what to do. Regards, David

    05/21/2004 10:01:14
    1. RE: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829
    2. Boon, David G
    3. Laura and others interested, Following up on my previous message about the Franks brothers who Thomas Knibbs was assigned to, they were Charles and John Franks. They also had a brother, Edward (jun). Edward (jun), Charles and their father, Edward are mentioned on the following site http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/indexes/grant_f.htm Edward (sen) was married to Harriet Eliza Lowther as mentioned on http://www.londonancestor.com/ri/339.htm A servant of one member of the Franks family was killed by aborigines in 1825 and John Franks and one of his servants, William Walker, were attacked by aborigines in 1828. Walker was killed. This information is on the pdf document http://www.historians.org.au/forumsupport/Casualties-VDL.PDF This gives some idea of the place that Thomas Knibbs came to just two years later. Aborigines killed a Captain Franks in Port Phillip (now Victoria) in 1833 http://www.utas.edu.au/library/info/collec/arch/SubjectR.ascii This was Charles as shown on http://www.utas.edu.au/library/info/collec/arch/Roy.ascii There is a book about early settlement in Van Diemen's Land (Tasmania) that has been digitised and made available on the WWW at http://setis.library.usyd.edu.au/ozlit/pdf/p00004.pdf A former servant of one of the Franks family is mentioned in this book as being a bushranger (the term used for an escaped convict who was at large and committing robberies and other crimes). The reference to this is at the end of the 8th page in chapter 10. This gives a really good idea of what Thomas Knibbs found when he arrived an actually mentions Green Ponds (now Kempton) Hope all of this is of interest David

    05/21/2004 08:58:21
    1. 1837online
    2. The other day I received a small unsolicited donation from a KNIBBS who was delighted with the information about his family extracted from the database. I have used the money to purchase some units at 1837online and am at present working through the K/NIBB/S marriages post 1912. The indexes that Michael PEARMAN and subsequently Sioux and Robin have given me, show the surnames of K/NIBB/S spouses. Using 1837online, I am verifying the first names of female spouses so that I can then match them up with Michael's extracted K/NIBB/S death indices. This helps to eliminate those individuals from further study but also has spin-offs eg if the ages of the married couples are reasonably close, as is so often the case, it can help me place a heretofor unplaced K/NIBB/S. An early death puts me on notice of a possible subsequent second marriage. If any lister would like me to specifically check on one of their K/NIBB/S entries, I will gladly do so before the units run out. Here's one for Don. I had Millicent as having married his Ernest Thomas KNIBBS born 27Oct1888 Clifton/Deddington, baptised 31Oct1890 Deddington and who died 1Qtr1927 Banbury District where their children were born. Not having found a Millicent death or re-marriage, I checked her name on marriage at 1837online to find it given there as Amelia E TYRRELL. I already knew they had married 22Sep1915 Bicester District. The correct first name then led me to her death 02qtr 1947 Banbury District aged 54. To double check I had the right one, freebmd gave me Amelia Euphemia TYRRELL born 04 qtr 1892 Bicester District. QED. bfn Alan Alan Jackson Host at The K/NIBB/S One Name Study & Mailing List Website address http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~knibbetc Did you know? Earlier postings to the list are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/KNIBB-L/ Please follow log-on instructions when you first visit!

    05/21/2004 08:49:37
    1. RE: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829
    2. Boon, David G
    3. Laura and Allen, Have copied Thomas Knibbs' convict record and will post it on the Yahoo group later. I will also email you each a copy. If anyone else would like a copy let me know. Hopefully I will scan the documents before I leave work today but the computer with the scanner is being used by someone at the moment. The actual convict record is difficult to read at A4 size so if needed I can send A3 copies by snail mail if the smaller copy does not enlarge well. Much of the document is faded and difficult to read at any size. In the meantime I will include below details that were contained on the description for Thomas Knibbs that was with his records. I am also sending this document later. Name: Thomas Knibbs Trade: Farmer and Cattle Doctor Height without shoes: 5 feet 7 3/4 inches Age: 31 Complexion: Dark Head: Large Hair: d bro (dark brown) Whiskers: d bro (" ") Visage: long (face) Forehead: ppen dic (perpendicular) wrinkled Eyebrows: d bro (dark brown) arched Eyes: Grey Nose: ML (medium length) Mouth: MW (medium width) Under lip thick Chin: long Remarks; Long scar betw (between) fr (finger) & thumb left hand On the right of the form are his number (No. 266) and Roxton Oxford I also discovered the appropriation list for the 'Mary'. This was the list of which settlers the convicts were assigned to on arrival in Van Diemen's Land (Tasmania). Thomas was assigned to J and C Franks. They were brothers and had property at Green Ponds and the surrounding districts. Green Ponds is now called Kempton. Regards, David -----Original Message----- From: Laurie Knibbs [mailto:LKNIBBS@HVC.RR.COM] Sent: Monday, 17 May 2004 1:06 PM To: KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 Dave Thomas Nibbs is, I believe, George Knibbs' brother , yes I'm would like you to email me a copy of anything you have for Tom and/or his family. Thanks Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: "Boon, David G" <david.boon@education.tas.gov.au> To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 8:13 PM Subject: RE: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 > Laura and Alan, > > I went back and had another look at the convict record for Thomas > Nibbs transported in 1829. I was initially unable to make out the 'Native Place' on the convict record but used a better reader this time and it was not Balscott. Native Place was listed as Roxton. Given that these details were recorded once the convict arrived in Tasmania it would seem likely that this was Wroxton which is very close to Balscote (which I am assuming is how Balscott is now spelt). If you agree that I am correct in my assumptions then I will obtain a copy of the record and other related documents which I will email to Laura and anyone else who may be interested. I will also post it on the Yahoo Group. In the meantime I did note details from the record which are outlined below. The information in brackets are my comments: > > Thomas Nibbs > Per Mary > Arrived April 9 1830 > Tried Middlesex 10 September 1829 - 14 years > Transported for embezzlement > Gaol Report - Not known (means this was likely his first conviction at least in the area in which the crime was committed) > Hulk Report - Good (behaviour on the hulk - Hulks were unseaworthy > ships moored as places to hold prisoners until ships for transportation were available due to there being insufficient gaols to hold the numbers convicted.) > Appears that the amount embezzled was £2.17.6 (although this section > was difficult to read) > Wife Mary Nibbs at Roxton, Oxfordshire living on a little property of > mine Married with 3 children > > Conduct in Van Diemen's Land (Tasmania) > April 3 1835, Constable (his position), Neglect of duty by being > asleep on his post, Treadwheel 48 hours and pay stopped. > November 26 1835, Constable, Insolence to Mr Hamilton, admonished Nov > 15 1836, Ticket of Leave (his current status, meaning he was allowed to seek work anywhere in the colony with permission but was still considered a convict) suspicion of felony, guilty of a gross fraud, Ticket of Leave revoked and recommended to be employed on the roads on probation for 12 months - St Peters Pass Road Party and conduct to be reported > March 30 1838, Ticket of Leave, Out after hours, reprimanded April 6 > 1839, T of L, Gross misconduct, Hard labour out of chains for 12 months and T of L suspended, Recommended to be removed to the Cornwall side of the island (Northern half of Tasmania) > March 1840 T of L, Misconduct in attempting to take improper liberties with Sarah Birtles, the wife of William Birtles - There being a doubt in the minds of the Justices case dismissed but ordered to leave the district of Campbell Town (in northern midlands of Tasmania. > Dec 26 1840 Misconduct in inducing the men of the government ... to > carry a log of wood for him, 7 days cells > 31 July 1841 Duffey (his employer at that time), out after hours and carrying on an unlawful correspondence with the wife of John Ferguson, acquitted > 1 October 1841 Smoking on the tread mill, 3 days solitary confinement > Nov 30 1841 Larceny, discharged Oct 31 1842, misconduct, admonished > > Free certificate number 842, 1843 > > At the bottom of the record are abbreviations of some of the places he lived whist a convict. Some of these I could make out, as follows: > > 1836: Oatlands (In the southern midlands about 1 hours drive north of Hobart) > 1837: Bothwell (On the way to the central highlands of Tasmania) 1839 > and 1842: Richmond (About 30 minutes drive from Hobart) 22 July 1842: > Norfolk Plains (name used for the district surrounding Longford, about 20 minutes south of Launceston in the north of Tasmania) > > Hope all of this is of interest and will help in deciphering the > record when I send it. > > Cheers, > David > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Laurie Knibbs [mailto:LKNIBBS@HVC.RR.COM] > Sent: Monday, 3 May 2004 11:58 AM > To: KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 > > > Dear Dave, > > George and Hannah are my husband's Great Great Great Grandparents > > Eugene is my husband's Great great Grandfather; Eugene was married to Amelia Huff Knibbs. > > Laura > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Boon, David G" <david.boon@education.tas.gov.au> > To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 6:16 PM > Subject: RE: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 > > > > Laura, > > > > As I am new to the list I had not looked closely at the messages you > > have sent as I didn't realise that they might connect with anyone > > who came to Tasmania. Can you briefly let me know how you are > > connected to George, Hannah and their son Eugene. I now understand > > from Alan's message how they connect to the Thomas who came to > > Tasmania. I am not a descendant of this line but of a James Knibbs > > from Buckinghamshire who also came to Tasmania as a convict. However > > as I still live in Tasmania I am happy to look up things for others > > as I get time. > > > > Regards, > > David Boon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Laurie Knibbs [mailto:LKNIBBS@HVC.RR.COM] > > Sent: Saturday, 1 May 2004 9:16 AM > > To: KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 > > > > > > Alan > > > > OMG!! You are the BEST...I've heard about this "Thomas"...NOW I > > know where the "Bad BLOOD" in Dave's family is coming from..... > > > > Thanks! > > > > Laura > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Jackari2@aol.com> > > To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 6:28 AM > > Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 > > > > > > > David > > > > > > Small world. Listen out Laura! > > > > > > Aha I see now. I did have a duplicate conjectured entry for the > > > Thomas KNIBBS I mentioned who died at Paramatta in 1856. It was > > > the > > transportation of > > > seven years in 1824 that threw me - I don't know from where I > > > obtained > > that but > > > now I think it must be wrong. > > > > > > The family in Balscott appear in the records as KNIBB. Job was > > > the third child. By my reckoning, Thomas is in fact a brother of > > > the George who > > married > > > Hannah, parents of Eugene who we've just been talking about! > > > > > > Here's a description: Ht 5' 9 1/2" Complexion: Sallow Hair: > > > Brown > > > Eyes: Blue > > > > > > He received another sentence of seven years presumably for a > > > misdemeanour > > out > > > there. Doubtless he mended his ways because in 1835 he was > > > 'promoted' > > > > > to > > the > > > position of Constable per a webiste I found which indeed mentions > > > the ship Mary as the one upon which he was transported. > > > > > > Presumably he left Tasmania for NSW at some point in time. > > > > > > bfn > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > > > > > I also found record of Emma Knibbs born in Balscott, Oxfordshire > > > > on 21 March 1824 and Linda Knibbs born in Balscott on 16 Sept > > > > 1825. Their parents were Thomas and Mary. I wonder if they might > > > > be two of > > > > > > the three children of the Thomas transported in 1829 mentioned > > > > in my > > > > > > previous message? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new > > > Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to > > > learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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    05/21/2004 07:10:24
    1. Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829
    2. Laurie Knibbs
    3. David Thank you so much for all your help and research..... I appreciated you! Laura K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Boon, David G" <david.boon@education.tas.gov.au> To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 11:58 PM Subject: RE: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 > Laura and others interested, > > Following up on my previous message about the Franks brothers who Thomas > Knibbs was assigned to, they were Charles and John Franks. They also had > a brother, Edward (jun). Edward (jun), Charles and their father, Edward > are mentioned on the following site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/indexes/grant_f.htm > > Edward (sen) was married to Harriet Eliza Lowther as mentioned on > http://www.londonancestor.com/ri/339.htm > > A servant of one member of the Franks family was killed by aborigines in > 1825 and John Franks and one of his servants, William Walker, were > attacked by aborigines in 1828. Walker was killed. This information is > on the pdf document > http://www.historians.org.au/forumsupport/Casualties-VDL.PDF This gives > some idea of the place that Thomas Knibbs came to just two years later. > > Aborigines killed a Captain Franks in Port Phillip (now Victoria) in > 1833 http://www.utas.edu.au/library/info/collec/arch/SubjectR.ascii This > was Charles as shown on > http://www.utas.edu.au/library/info/collec/arch/Roy.ascii > > There is a book about early settlement in Van Diemen's Land (Tasmania) > that has been digitised and made available on the WWW at > http://setis.library.usyd.edu.au/ozlit/pdf/p00004.pdf A former servant > of one of the Franks family is mentioned in this book as being a > bushranger (the term used for an escaped convict who was at large and > committing robberies and other crimes). The reference to this is at the > end of the 8th page in chapter 10. This gives a really good idea of what > Thomas Knibbs found when he arrived an actually mentions Green Ponds > (now Kempton) > > Hope all of this is of interest > > David > > > > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

    05/21/2004 01:20:46
    1. RE: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829
    2. Boon, David G
    3. Laura and Alan, I went back and had another look at the convict record for Thomas Nibbs transported in 1829. I was initially unable to make out the 'Native Place' on the convict record but used a better reader this time and it was not Balscott. Native Place was listed as Roxton. Given that these details were recorded once the convict arrived in Tasmania it would seem likely that this was Wroxton which is very close to Balscote (which I am assuming is how Balscott is now spelt). If you agree that I am correct in my assumptions then I will obtain a copy of the record and other related documents which I will email to Laura and anyone else who may be interested. I will also post it on the Yahoo Group. In the meantime I did note details from the record which are outlined below. The information in brackets are my comments: Thomas Nibbs Per Mary Arrived April 9 1830 Tried Middlesex 10 September 1829 - 14 years Transported for embezzlement Gaol Report - Not known (means this was likely his first conviction at least in the area in which the crime was committed) Hulk Report - Good (behaviour on the hulk - Hulks were unseaworthy ships moored as places to hold prisoners until ships for transportation were available due to there being insufficient gaols to hold the numbers convicted.) Appears that the amount embezzled was £2.17.6 (although this section was difficult to read) Wife Mary Nibbs at Roxton, Oxfordshire living on a little property of mine Married with 3 children Conduct in Van Diemen's Land (Tasmania) April 3 1835, Constable (his position), Neglect of duty by being asleep on his post, Treadwheel 48 hours and pay stopped. November 26 1835, Constable, Insolence to Mr Hamilton, admonished Nov 15 1836, Ticket of Leave (his current status, meaning he was allowed to seek work anywhere in the colony with permission but was still considered a convict) suspicion of felony, guilty of a gross fraud, Ticket of Leave revoked and recommended to be employed on the roads on probation for 12 months - St Peters Pass Road Party and conduct to be reported March 30 1838, Ticket of Leave, Out after hours, reprimanded April 6 1839, T of L, Gross misconduct, Hard labour out of chains for 12 months and T of L suspended, Recommended to be removed to the Cornwall side of the island (Northern half of Tasmania) March 1840 T of L, Misconduct in attempting to take improper liberties with Sarah Birtles, the wife of William Birtles - There being a doubt in the minds of the Justices case dismissed but ordered to leave the district of Campbell Town (in northern midlands of Tasmania. Dec 26 1840 Misconduct in inducing the men of the government ... to carry a log of wood for him, 7 days cells 31 July 1841 Duffey (his employer at that time), out after hours and carrying on an unlawful correspondence with the wife of John Ferguson, acquitted 1 October 1841 Smoking on the tread mill, 3 days solitary confinement Nov 30 1841 Larceny, discharged Oct 31 1842, misconduct, admonished Free certificate number 842, 1843 At the bottom of the record are abbreviations of some of the places he lived whist a convict. Some of these I could make out, as follows: 1836: Oatlands (In the southern midlands about 1 hours drive north of Hobart) 1837: Bothwell (On the way to the central highlands of Tasmania) 1839 and 1842: Richmond (About 30 minutes drive from Hobart) 22 July 1842: Norfolk Plains (name used for the district surrounding Longford, about 20 minutes south of Launceston in the north of Tasmania) Hope all of this is of interest and will help in deciphering the record when I send it. Cheers, David -----Original Message----- From: Laurie Knibbs [mailto:LKNIBBS@HVC.RR.COM] Sent: Monday, 3 May 2004 11:58 AM To: KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 Dear Dave, George and Hannah are my husband's Great Great Great Grandparents Eugene is my husband's Great great Grandfather; Eugene was married to Amelia Huff Knibbs. Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: "Boon, David G" <david.boon@education.tas.gov.au> To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 6:16 PM Subject: RE: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 > Laura, > > As I am new to the list I had not looked closely at the messages you > have sent as I didn't realise that they might connect with anyone who > came to Tasmania. Can you briefly let me know how you are connected to > George, Hannah and their son Eugene. I now understand from Alan's > message how they connect to the Thomas who came to Tasmania. I am not > a descendant of this line but of a James Knibbs from Buckinghamshire > who also came to Tasmania as a convict. However as I still live in > Tasmania I am happy to look up things for others as I get time. > > Regards, > David Boon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Laurie Knibbs [mailto:LKNIBBS@HVC.RR.COM] > Sent: Saturday, 1 May 2004 9:16 AM > To: KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 > > > Alan > > OMG!! You are the BEST...I've heard about this "Thomas"...NOW I know > where the "Bad BLOOD" in Dave's family is coming from..... > > Thanks! > > Laura > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Jackari2@aol.com> > To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 6:28 AM > Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 > > > > David > > > > Small world. Listen out Laura! > > > > Aha I see now. I did have a duplicate conjectured entry for the > > Thomas KNIBBS I mentioned who died at Paramatta in 1856. It was the > transportation of > > seven years in 1824 that threw me - I don't know from where I > > obtained > that but > > now I think it must be wrong. > > > > The family in Balscott appear in the records as KNIBB. Job was the > > third child. By my reckoning, Thomas is in fact a brother of the > > George who > married > > Hannah, parents of Eugene who we've just been talking about! > > > > Here's a description: Ht 5' 9 1/2" Complexion: Sallow Hair: Brown > > Eyes: Blue > > > > He received another sentence of seven years presumably for a > > misdemeanour > out > > there. Doubtless he mended his ways because in 1835 he was > > 'promoted' > > > to > the > > position of Constable per a webiste I found which indeed mentions > > the ship Mary as the one upon which he was transported. > > > > Presumably he left Tasmania for NSW at some point in time. > > > > bfn > > > > Alan > > > > > > > I also found record of Emma Knibbs born in Balscott, Oxfordshire > > > on 21 March 1824 and Linda Knibbs born in Balscott on 16 Sept > > > 1825. Their parents were Thomas and Mary. I wonder if they might > > > be two of > > > > the three children of the Thomas transported in 1829 mentioned in > > > my > > > > previous message? > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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    05/17/2004 05:13:20
    1. Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829
    2. David Wroxton and Balscot were combined parishes - anyway there was a single register covering both. It's definitely him. I'll take a look at the record at KYGP - how incredibly detailed! Thank you very much indeed. bfn Alan > I went back and had another look at the convict record for Thomas Nibbs > transported in 1829. I was initially unable to make out the 'Native Place' on > the convict record but used a better reader this time and it was not Balscott. > Native Place was listed as Roxton. Given that these details were recorded > once the convict arrived in Tasmania it would seem likely that this was Wroxton > which is very close to Balscote (which I am assuming is how Balscott is now > spelt). If you agree that I am correct in my assumptions then I will obtain a > copy of the record and other related documents which I will email to Laura > and anyone else who may be interested. I will also post it on the Yahoo Group.

    05/16/2004 10:34:17
    1. Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829
    2. Laurie Knibbs
    3. Dave Thomas Nibbs is, I believe, George Knibbs' brother , yes I'm would like you to email me a copy of anything you have for Tom and/or his family. Thanks Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: "Boon, David G" <david.boon@education.tas.gov.au> To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 8:13 PM Subject: RE: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 > Laura and Alan, > > I went back and had another look at the convict record for Thomas Nibbs transported in 1829. I was initially unable to make out the 'Native Place' on the convict record but used a better reader this time and it was not Balscott. Native Place was listed as Roxton. Given that these details were recorded once the convict arrived in Tasmania it would seem likely that this was Wroxton which is very close to Balscote (which I am assuming is how Balscott is now spelt). If you agree that I am correct in my assumptions then I will obtain a copy of the record and other related documents which I will email to Laura and anyone else who may be interested. I will also post it on the Yahoo Group. In the meantime I did note details from the record which are outlined below. The information in brackets are my comments: > > Thomas Nibbs > Per Mary > Arrived April 9 1830 > Tried Middlesex 10 September 1829 - 14 years > Transported for embezzlement > Gaol Report - Not known (means this was likely his first conviction at least in the area in which the crime was committed) > Hulk Report - Good (behaviour on the hulk - Hulks were unseaworthy ships moored as places to hold prisoners until ships for transportation were available due to there being insufficient gaols to hold the numbers convicted.) > Appears that the amount embezzled was £2.17.6 (although this section was difficult to read) > Wife Mary Nibbs at Roxton, Oxfordshire living on a little property of mine > Married with 3 children > > Conduct in Van Diemen's Land (Tasmania) > April 3 1835, Constable (his position), Neglect of duty by being asleep on his post, Treadwheel 48 hours and pay stopped. > November 26 1835, Constable, Insolence to Mr Hamilton, admonished > Nov 15 1836, Ticket of Leave (his current status, meaning he was allowed to seek work anywhere in the colony with permission but was still considered a convict) suspicion of felony, guilty of a gross fraud, Ticket of Leave revoked and recommended to be employed on the roads on probation for 12 months - St Peters Pass Road Party and conduct to be reported > March 30 1838, Ticket of Leave, Out after hours, reprimanded > April 6 1839, T of L, Gross misconduct, Hard labour out of chains for 12 months and T of L suspended, Recommended to be removed to the Cornwall side of the island (Northern half of Tasmania) > March 1840 T of L, Misconduct in attempting to take improper liberties with Sarah Birtles, the wife of William Birtles - There being a doubt in the minds of the Justices case dismissed but ordered to leave the district of Campbell Town (in northern midlands of Tasmania. > Dec 26 1840 Misconduct in inducing the men of the government ... to carry a log of wood for him, 7 days cells > 31 July 1841 Duffey (his employer at that time), out after hours and carrying on an unlawful correspondence with the wife of John Ferguson, acquitted > 1 October 1841 Smoking on the tread mill, 3 days solitary confinement > Nov 30 1841 Larceny, discharged > Oct 31 1842, misconduct, admonished > > Free certificate number 842, 1843 > > At the bottom of the record are abbreviations of some of the places he lived whist a convict. Some of these I could make out, as follows: > > 1836: Oatlands (In the southern midlands about 1 hours drive north of Hobart) > 1837: Bothwell (On the way to the central highlands of Tasmania) > 1839 and 1842: Richmond (About 30 minutes drive from Hobart) > 22 July 1842: Norfolk Plains (name used for the district surrounding Longford, about 20 minutes south of Launceston in the north of Tasmania) > > Hope all of this is of interest and will help in deciphering the record when I send it. > > Cheers, > David > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Laurie Knibbs [mailto:LKNIBBS@HVC.RR.COM] > Sent: Monday, 3 May 2004 11:58 AM > To: KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 > > > Dear Dave, > > George and Hannah are my husband's Great Great Great Grandparents > > Eugene is my husband's Great great Grandfather; Eugene was married to Amelia Huff Knibbs. > > Laura > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Boon, David G" <david.boon@education.tas.gov.au> > To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 6:16 PM > Subject: RE: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 > > > > Laura, > > > > As I am new to the list I had not looked closely at the messages you > > have sent as I didn't realise that they might connect with anyone who > > came to Tasmania. Can you briefly let me know how you are connected to > > George, Hannah and their son Eugene. I now understand from Alan's > > message how they connect to the Thomas who came to Tasmania. I am not > > a descendant of this line but of a James Knibbs from Buckinghamshire > > who also came to Tasmania as a convict. However as I still live in > > Tasmania I am happy to look up things for others as I get time. > > > > Regards, > > David Boon > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Laurie Knibbs [mailto:LKNIBBS@HVC.RR.COM] > > Sent: Saturday, 1 May 2004 9:16 AM > > To: KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 > > > > > > Alan > > > > OMG!! You are the BEST...I've heard about this "Thomas"...NOW I know > > where the "Bad BLOOD" in Dave's family is coming from..... > > > > Thanks! > > > > Laura > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Jackari2@aol.com> > > To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 6:28 AM > > Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas NIBBS Transported 14 years 1829 > > > > > > > David > > > > > > Small world. Listen out Laura! > > > > > > Aha I see now. I did have a duplicate conjectured entry for the > > > Thomas KNIBBS I mentioned who died at Paramatta in 1856. It was the > > transportation of > > > seven years in 1824 that threw me - I don't know from where I > > > obtained > > that but > > > now I think it must be wrong. > > > > > > The family in Balscott appear in the records as KNIBB. Job was the > > > third child. By my reckoning, Thomas is in fact a brother of the > > > George who > > married > > > Hannah, parents of Eugene who we've just been talking about! > > > > > > Here's a description: Ht 5' 9 1/2" Complexion: Sallow Hair: Brown > > > Eyes: Blue > > > > > > He received another sentence of seven years presumably for a > > > misdemeanour > > out > > > there. Doubtless he mended his ways because in 1835 he was > > > 'promoted' > > > > > to > > the > > > position of Constable per a webiste I found which indeed mentions > > > the ship Mary as the one upon which he was transported. > > > > > > Presumably he left Tasmania for NSW at some point in time. > > > > > > bfn > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > > > > > I also found record of Emma Knibbs born in Balscott, Oxfordshire > > > > on 21 March 1824 and Linda Knibbs born in Balscott on 16 Sept > > > > 1825. Their parents were Thomas and Mary. I wonder if they might > > > > be two of > > > > > > the three children of the Thomas transported in 1829 mentioned in > > > > my > > > > > > previous message? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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    05/16/2004 04:06:18
    1. Re: [K/NIBB/S] 1841 Coventry Census
    2. Peter I have made one or two alterations to the database given the information you kindly posted. It has helped me sort out one family that I hadn't merged and another which I''d wrongly attributed. I'm even wondering if John KNIBB (1781-1821?) who married Sarah ATKINS (see Sarah 62?) isn't the same person as John KNIBBS bp 1786, son of Richard KNIBB and Mary ARCH. His sister Elizabeth was baptised on the same day but I don't think they were twins because of the gap in the family births between 1779 and 1786. Is anyone else, looking at this area and era? bfn Alan Alan Jackson Host at The K/NIBB/S One Name Study & Mailing List Website address http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~knibbetc

    05/15/2004 05:17:31
    1. coventry 1891 census
    2. Peter R Thompson
    3. Same as 1841 census . Household details available from me (peter@collybs.co.uk). Firstname Surname Age Piece Folio AMY ELIZABETH KNIBB 26 2449 90 ANN KNIBB 61 2449 116 ANN Elizth. KNIBB 61 2455 144 CATHERINE KNIBB 50 2449 90 EDWARD KNIBB 13 2450 134 FRANCIS KNIBB 68 2455 144 FRANCIS KNIBB 31 2455 144 HARRIET KNIBB 11 2450 134 KATE KNIBB 18 2449 90 MARY KNIBB 58 2441 11 MARY ANN KNIBB 35 2450 134 THOMAS KNIBB 58 2441 11 WILLIAM KNIBB 34 2450 134 ADA KNIBBS 15 2452 15 ALFRED KNIBBS 31 2450 90 ALFRED KNIBBS 24 2455 96 ALFRED KNIBBS 2 2450 90 ALICE KNIBBS 25 2453 100 ANN KNIBBS 25 2455 96 ANNIE KNIBBS 13 2454 101 ANNIE E. KNIBBS 5 2450 90 CAROLINE KNIBBS 31 2454 9 CHARLES KNIBBS 7 2450 29 CHARLES KNIBBS 60 2454 144 CHARLES A. KNIBBS 29 2450 29 Chas. KNIBBS 9 2454 101 Chas. KNIBBS 34 2454 101 ELISA KNIBBS 72 2448 87 ELIZABETH KNIBBS 27 2450 29 ELLEN KNIBBS 37 2447 17 ELLEN KNIBBS 3 2450 29 ERNEST KNIBBS 3 2453 10 FLORENCE KNIBBS 1 2450 29 FLORENCE ALICE KNIBBS 2 2453 100 FRED KNIBBS 11 2454 101 GERTRUDE KNIBBS 5 2450 29 HARRIETT S. KNIBBS 30 2455 26 HENRY KNIBBS 19 2449 116 HENRY KNIBBS 18 2452 15 JAMES KNIBBS 22 2454 144 JOHN KNIBBS 21 2449 116 JOSEPH KNIBBS 70 2449 116 JOSEPH KNIBBS 26 2453 100 MARY KNIBBS 36 2450 90 MARY A. KNIBBS 53 2452 15 MARY ELIZABETH KNIBBS 57 2454 144 MARY J. KNIBBS 7 2450 90 OLIVER KNIBBS 10 months 2453 10 ROSEHANNAH KNIBBS 32 2454 101 SARAH KNIBBS 8 2455 26 SARAH A. KNIBBS 34 2453 10 THOMAS KNIBBS 31 2455 26 THOMAS KNIBBS 12 2455 26 THOMAS KNIBBS 78 2448 87 WALTER ARTHUR KNIBBS 19 2454 144 WILLIAM KNIBBS 57 2452 15 WILLIAM KNIBBS 34 2453 10 WILLIAM KNIBBS 2 2455 26 Peter R Thompson Bedworth Warwickshire UK

    05/14/2004 05:23:47