Alan, I have some new dates that I'm sure will be of interest to you. I have been contacted by a lady named Diane Sharland who is descended from William KNIBBS, b. 1846 at Woodstock, Oxfordshire, England. Diane is the great-granddaughter of William, the granddaughter of his daughter Sarah Ann KNIBBS. The following is what Diane has given me. It was her mother Elsie Longworth who was interested in the family history, and when she died, Diane came across lots of certificates and hand written notes with family dates. She has told me these dates and I've added it all into my data. Significant finds are: - the birth date of William at the top - we only had his baptism date. - the fact that his wife may have been Ellen and not Helen - I need to check that out with Diane - Ellen's birth and death dates - dates of death of William and Ellen's daughters Sarah and Leah - details relevant to Sarah and Leah's husbands I've recorded further down the line which I know will not be of direct interest to the K/NIBB/S purists! Diane gave me the following information about Sarah Ann KNIBBS' husband Alfred LONGHURST: "Alfred Longworth was born on 2 December 1877 at 16 Culvert Street Manchester and died 13 April 1966.Although he died in hospital he was at the time living at 27 Oxford Street Woodstock, where he used to have a bicycle shop. He also had petrol pumps at that address and a garage at 21 Oxford Street. Previous to that he was a motor engineer and owned a Charabanc. Before that he worked on the Blenhein Palace Estate as a Water Engineer." Don Descendants of William Knibbs 1 William Knibbs b: January 10, 1846 in Woodstock, Oxfordshire, England Baptism: March 1, 1846 Woodstock, Oxfordshire, England d: Bef. June 21, 1905 Burial: June 21, 1905 Woodstock, Oxfordshire, England - +Ellen Drinkwater b: August 20, 1852 in Wootton, Oxfordshire, England m: August 16, 1879 in Woodstock, Oxfordshire, England d: February 15, 1934 2 Sarah Ann Knibbs b: September 11, 1879 in Woodstock, Oxfordshire, England Baptism: December 7, 1879 Woodstock, Oxfordshire, England d: June 16, 1962 in Woodstock, Oxfordshire, England --- +Alfred Longworth b: December 2, 1877 in Manchester, Lancashire, England m: December 25, 1901 in Woodstock, Oxfordshire, England d: April 13, 1966 in Woodstock, Oxfordshire, England --- 3 Elsie Maud Longworth b: May 9, 1905 in Woodstock, Oxfordshire, England Baptism: June 11, 1904 Woodstock, Oxfordshire, England d: January 23, 1984 ------ +John Henry Holley b: October 1, 1906 in Woodstock, Oxfordshire, England m: April 29, 1937 d: December 14, 1975 ------ 4 Diane Shirley Holley b: May 28, 1943 --------- +Anthony John Sharland b: in Somerset, England m: September 26, 1964 --- 3 Irene Dorothy Longworth b: September 5, 1916 ------ +Frederick George Austin Twamley b: September 28, 1918 in Liverpool, Merseyside, England m: December 3, 1955 2 Leah Florence Knibbs b: February 3, 1885 in Woodstock District, Oxfordshire, England Baptism: April 5, 1885 Woodstock, Oxfordshire, England d: September 24, 1974 --- +William John Bolton b: June 6, 1880 m: August 19, 1909 in Woodstock, Oxfordshire, England d: October 8, 1964 --- 3 Violet Ethel Bolton b: February 10, 1911 d: January 28, 1986 ------ +John Edward Turner b: in Hawick, Northumberland, England

Of course - I can see it now. I have her as Mary Louise WIRTZ. She married Charles Loren KNIBBS at Chicago, Illinois. Thanks, Don ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jackari2@aol.com> To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] James E KNIBBS of Illinois? > Don > > > Do we know of the Mary Lou (Chuck) KNIBBS named below? > > > > Yes I've seen this before. You can locate her on the 'RUMNEY' chart ie back > to your John and Ann ALDRIDGE. > > bfn > > Alan > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Sorry - please ignore the Subject Heading of my last. I believe the James E. refers to James E WIRTZ and not Mary Lou KNIBBS' husband which is what I suspected when I first read it. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Knibbs" <don.knibbs@btinternet.com> To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 10:20 AM Subject: [K/NIBB/S] James E KNIBBS of Illinois? > Do we know of the Mary Lou (Chuck) KNIBBS named below? > > WIRTZ, JAMES E.:[Chicagoland Final Edition] > Chicago Tribune. Chicago, Ill.: Aug 18, 2002. pg. 9 > > Section: Obituaries > ISSN/ISBN: 10856706 > Text Word Count 153 > > Abstract (Article Summary) > James E. Wirtz, age 79, Ret. Capt. C.F.D., U.S. Army Air Corps Veteran of WW > II, beloved husband for 55 years of La Verne H., nee Burke; loving father of > Thomas G. (Mary), Martin J., C.F.D. (Mary Ellen), Terrence F., C.F.D. (Ann), > Mary Lou (Chuck) Knibbs and the late James E. > > also, James E. Wirtz, age 79, of Oak Lawn, a former captain with the Chicago > Fire Department, died of congestive heart failure Thursday, Aug. 15, at > Palos Community Hospital in Palos Heights. Mr. Wirtz was born on Chicago's > South Side. As a teenager, he joined the Civilian Conservation Corps, > building fences along the Mississippi River. He then worked as a hoisting > engineer > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Do we know of the Mary Lou (Chuck) KNIBBS named below? WIRTZ, JAMES E.:[Chicagoland Final Edition] Chicago Tribune. Chicago, Ill.: Aug 18, 2002. pg. 9 Section: Obituaries ISSN/ISBN: 10856706 Text Word Count 153 Abstract (Article Summary) James E. Wirtz, age 79, Ret. Capt. C.F.D., U.S. Army Air Corps Veteran of WW II, beloved husband for 55 years of La Verne H., nee Burke; loving father of Thomas G. (Mary), Martin J., C.F.D. (Mary Ellen), Terrence F., C.F.D. (Ann), Mary Lou (Chuck) Knibbs and the late James E. also, James E. Wirtz, age 79, of Oak Lawn, a former captain with the Chicago Fire Department, died of congestive heart failure Thursday, Aug. 15, at Palos Community Hospital in Palos Heights. Mr. Wirtz was born on Chicago's South Side. As a teenager, he joined the Civilian Conservation Corps, building fences along the Mississippi River. He then worked as a hoisting engineer

Don > Do we know of the Mary Lou (Chuck) KNIBBS named below? > Yes I've seen this before. You can locate her on the 'RUMNEY' chart ie back to your John and Ann ALDRIDGE. bfn Alan

Has anyone tried the Proceedings of the Old Bailey? Verbatim accounts of trials, with some fascinating social detail and information about the people who appeared. Boringly the five Knibbs appear only as victims and witnesses, but it provides an amazing chance to hear your ancestors speak in their own words. Just type in Knibbs under keyword or surname, and it is all there, free. Do go into the project timetable bit and sign up to support their application to get funding to put the 19th century records online- what would we turn up then?! Jan 1770 William Knibbs, servant to Mr. Hillman of Craven Street, The Strand. Witness. Jan 1776 William Knibbs, poulterer, Bloomsbury market. Character witness. April 1794 Thomas Knibbs, wife Ann, Old City Chambers, Bishopsgate Street Victim Jan 1795 William Thomas Knibbs witness July 1795 Thomas Knibbs Iron founder victim. Have fun, but be warned, this site is addictive. Julia Webb http://www.oldbaileyonline.org.uk

... and all who have joined recently - you are most welcome. Thank you Val for reporting on your mission to seek further information about Thomas Knibbs who married Elizabeth Churchill sometime in the eighteenth century. Pity the Will at the FRC didn't reveal anything but bless you for looking. Chris picked up on my 'dotty' post re the Transit of Venus but if any K/NIBB/S did record the last one in their 1882 diary, it's now lost to posterity. Perhaps they were blinded? Any bids for her brother's NIBBS number plate, not that it's for sale. I shall be on the lookout again when I travel to SW19 in a couple of weeks time - yes Wimbeldon beckons once again. Pause though for golf scores: "First-time entrant, Sean Morris (83, 75, 81, 78), finished third, followed by Gifford Wilmot (81, 78, 81, 78) and Radcliff Knibbs (85, 80, 85, 69)." I still don't know much about Radcliff but he seems to be making a name for himself in golf circles, finishing here with the best round of the tournament. Joyce, fresh from gleaning all she can about Allen Brown NIBBS, will be interested in a couple of branches of her Akeley family who are represented at genesconnected. One has given me Jane TAYLOR as the wife of Joseph KNIBBS born 1870. The other descends from Henry KNIBBS who married Mary Anne LOYNES - more info to follow I hope. Louise KORMOS was over from the States a few weeks ago but we didn't manage to meet up. Someone who did was Rose-Marie who visited last week on return from a family holiday in the north. Anyone else bound for the Lakes or Scotland this year? You'd be most welcome to have your own guided tour of the database and clock. I have 'captured' most of the missing female K/NIBB/S spouses from 1837online (ie from 1911 to those already gathered by Sioux and Robin). It's been instructive, having their first names, to trace them therafter. bfn Alan Alan Jackson Host at The K/NIBB/S One Name Study & Mailing List Website address http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~knibbetc Did you know? Earlier postings to the list are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/KNIBB-L/ Please follow log-on instructions when you first visit!

Alan Glad to hear you are on the road to recovery. I finally looked at the film for the birth of Allen Brown Nibbs. He is indeed the son of Charles Nibbs and Mary Allen. He was born August 14, 1891 in Owen Sound, Ontario and died February 25, 1892 in Keppel, Grey County, Ontario. Now we know that this line of Knibbs has ended as there are no descendents. I believe I gave you the marriage information for Charles and Mary. Also, the picture with the notation Eliza and Jim Bugge (in the Knibbs book) is actually Charles and Mary. Charles belonged to the Salvation Army in Owen Sound, Ontario. Because Jim Bugge had some affiliation with the Salvation Army in the USA, the family indicated that the pic was Eliza & Jim. bfn Joyce

Checked the will but it didn't help. Valerie >From: Jackari2@aol.com >Reply-To: KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com >To: KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas Knibbs/Elizabeth Churchill - 18th century >Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 05:52:48 EDT > >Valerie > > > I will check the will on Wednesday when I visit the FRC. I take it you >have > > > > no further marriage details noted for this couple? Must have been around > > early 1780s > >That's very kind of you. No I've struggled to find a Thomas and Elizabeth >who fit the bill. > >bfn > >Alan > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

I bet very few knew anything about the eclipse without the prompts from TV/Radio etc. Anyway would they have had the equipment to observe it without blinding themselves? Chris Atkins (nee Nibbs) > Message date : Jun 08 2004, 11:54 PM > From : Jackari2@aol.com > To : KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com > Copy to : > Subject : [K/NIBB/S] Transit of Venus 1882 -2004 > I wonder how many of our ancestors in 1882 viewed the specatcle we were > privileged to see today? Did you spot it? > > "Assistant State's Attorney Jim Knibbs told the judge that the incident > involved a 25-year-old detainee. The woman was in a holding cell by herself when > the alleged abuse took place. ..." > > Enough of that! > > Having just read 'Eats, Shoots and Leaves' by Lynne TRUSS, I couldn't resist > the ellipsis. They are the three dots after the shortened quote from a > Chicago newspaper - not a typo for the eclipse - sorry transit. > > Meanwhile Mike KNIBBS has offered to pursue the Naturalisation papers of > Henry KNIBBS (husband of Rispah) as Owen has been ill. We wish him a speedy > recovery. > > As for me. Body healing - mind as befuddled as ever! > > bfn > > Alan > > Alan Jackson > Host at The K/NIBB/S One Name Study & Mailing List > Website address http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~knibbetc > > Did you know? Earlier postings to the list are archived at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/KNIBB-L/ > Please follow log-on instructions when you first visit! > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm

"As for me. Body healing - mind as befuddled as ever!" I'm glad to hear you're on the mend Alan, glad to have you back!! :D Take care, Rob.

I wonder how many of our ancestors in 1882 viewed the specatcle we were privileged to see today? Did you spot it? "Assistant State's Attorney Jim Knibbs told the judge that the incident involved a 25-year-old detainee. The woman was in a holding cell by herself when the alleged abuse took place. ..." Enough of that! Having just read 'Eats, Shoots and Leaves' by Lynne TRUSS, I couldn't resist the ellipsis. They are the three dots after the shortened quote from a Chicago newspaper - not a typo for the eclipse - sorry transit. Meanwhile Mike KNIBBS has offered to pursue the Naturalisation papers of Henry KNIBBS (husband of Rispah) as Owen has been ill. We wish him a speedy recovery. As for me. Body healing - mind as befuddled as ever! bfn Alan Alan Jackson Host at The K/NIBB/S One Name Study & Mailing List Website address http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~knibbetc Did you know? Earlier postings to the list are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/KNIBB-L/ Please follow log-on instructions when you first visit!

I will check the will on Wednesday when I visit the FRC. I take it you have no further marriage details noted for this couple? Must have been around early 1780s. Valerie >From: Jackari2@aol.com >Reply-To: KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com >To: KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas Knibbs/Elizabeth Churchill - 18th century >Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 11:10:59 EDT > >Valerie > >Well found and thank you for thinking of us. > >I can't pin Thomas down but if Elizabeth is the one who was buried at >Deddington in 1792 then, if 28, we could expect Thomas to have been born >around the >same time ie c1764 There are a couple of possibilities but difficult to >prove >on the info currently to hand. I haven't viewed the Will but if anyone >likely >to be related does so, then I'd gladly follow up on any further clues given >there. > >bfn > >Alan > >Alan Jackson >Host at The K/NIBB/S One Name Study & Mailing List >Website address http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~knibbetc > >Did you know? Earlier postings to the list are archived at >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/KNIBB-L/ >Please follow log-on instructions when you first visit! > > > > > This came from a book called 'The Churchill Chronicles' written by by >Major > > > > General T.B. L. Churchill and outlining the history of the Oxfordshire > > Churchill line (not the one connected with Winston Churchill). There is >a > > considerable amount of information about Elizabeth Churchill's family in >the > > > > book but nothing further about Thomas Knibbs. Elizabeth's father was >from > > the Deddington branch of Churchills. > > This is his will which can be seen online on the PRO site: > > Will of Thomas Churchill, Butcher of Saint George Hanover Square, >Middlesex > > 19 October 1781 PROB 11/1082 > > > > which may give some further information about his daughter. > > Valerie > > > > > > >From: Jackari2@aol.com > > >Reply-To: KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Thomas Knibbs/Elizabeth Churchill - 18th >century > > >Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 10:38:04 EDT > > > > > >Valerie > > > > > >This is very interesting and perhaps you could tell me from where the > > >information comes? I'm interested in any marriage date given and >whether > > >she died in > > >1792? > > > > > >bfn > > > > > >Alan > > > > > > > Elizabeth Churchill, daughter of Thomas Churchill (1737 - 1781) and > > >Sarah > > > > Dolley (d. Mar 1766) married Thomas Knibbs at St George Hanover >Square. > > > > Elizabeth died age 28 and was buried at Deddington, Oxfordshire. She >was > > > > born bet 1760 and 1766. Her parents married at Souldern, 1759 and > > >resided at > > > > > > > > Park Street, St George Hanover Square, London. > > > > Plenty known about the Churchill line but nothing more about Thomas > > >Knibbs. > > > > > > > > > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo

Valerie > I will check the will on Wednesday when I visit the FRC. I take it you have > > no further marriage details noted for this couple? Must have been around > early 1780s That's very kind of you. No I've struggled to find a Thomas and Elizabeth who fit the bill. bfn Alan

Alan Just a note to wish you a speedy recovery... praying all is well with you... Laura K. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jackari2@aol.com> To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 7:02 AM Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Mary Hanington's death record > Chris > > > Please can you remove Kath from the distribution list . We already get the > > updates on chris` email > > > > I have done so but apologise for those duplicated in the last few days. You > will have seen I was away for the Bank Holiday weekend and yesterday had my > hernia operation. I was warned by a friend that it would be several days before > I could bear being at my computer desk but glad to say that I'm sitting > comfortably. Getting up and down stairs is a learning exercise! > > bfn > > Alan > > Alan Jackson > Host at The K/NIBB/S One Name Study & Mailing List > Website address http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~knibbetc > > Did you know? Earlier postings to the list are archived at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/KNIBB-L/ > Please follow log-on instructions when you first visit! > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Take care of yourself Alan, we don't want you suffering any setbacks!!!! By order of "Dr. Honey"!! ;D Take care, Rob. IBSSG Stuttgart, Germany Honey's Home of Genealogy www.honeyshome.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jackari2@aol.com To: KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Mary Hanington's death record Chris > Please can you remove Kath from the distribution list . We already get the > updates on chris` email > I have done so but apologise for those duplicated in the last few days. You will have seen I was away for the Bank Holiday weekend and yesterday had my hernia operation. I was warned by a friend that it would be several days before I could bear being at my computer desk but glad to say that I'm sitting comfortably. Getting up and down stairs is a learning exercise! bfn Alan Alan Jackson Host at The K/NIBB/S One Name Study & Mailing List Website address http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~knibbetc Did you know? Earlier postings to the list are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/KNIBB-L/ Please follow log-on instructions when you first visit! ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Chris > Please can you remove Kath from the distribution list . We already get the > updates on chris` email > I have done so but apologise for those duplicated in the last few days. You will have seen I was away for the Bank Holiday weekend and yesterday had my hernia operation. I was warned by a friend that it would be several days before I could bear being at my computer desk but glad to say that I'm sitting comfortably. Getting up and down stairs is a learning exercise! bfn Alan Alan Jackson Host at The K/NIBB/S One Name Study & Mailing List Website address http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~knibbetc Did you know? Earlier postings to the list are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/KNIBB-L/ Please follow log-on instructions when you first visit!

Joyce Amazingly I came across a K/NIBB/S researcher living in Brantford and she immediately took up the cudgels with this. This is the information from the obituary in the Jan. 11, 1966 Brantford Expositor. " MARY E. HANINGTON NORWICH, Ontario - Miss Mary Elizabeth Hanington, 73, of Norwich, died Monday in Lakeside Nursing Home, Port Burwell. Surviving are one brother, Hazen of Norwich; one sister, Clara Augusta of Norwich. Private service will be held at the Arn and Son Funeral Home, Norwich. Cremation will be in London.' Back to the drawing board but she has told me of the following: Greenhill Cemetery in the Town of Kingsville, Ontario (on Lake Erie near Leamington) and a Greenhill Cemetery in Lucknow, Ontario (near Lake Huron and Kincardine). Perhaps Charlotte was buried at one of these, alongside her husband Frank, whose remains and headstone were apparently moved form Califiornia to Ontario. So the hunt continues and no need to check the microfilm when it comes through. bfn Alan

Alan Please can you remove Kath from the distribution list . We already get the updates on chris` email Many thanks Chris Riley

Marsha, Thanks for that lead. I found two from my line very quickly just looking in the WWII 1939-1945 Section you mentioned, so will look deeper. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: <MarshaEnsminger@netscape.net> To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 4:11 PM Subject: [K/NIBB/S] Database collection > I'm not sure if this is new or if I just now stumbled on it. In any case, http://aad.archives.gov/aad/title_list.jsp is the (US) National Archives "Access to Archival Databases" site. > I haven't spent much time with it yet, but would suggest this for this weekend: > >From the "Subject" pull-down list, select "World War 1939-1945" (last item on the list. > Then click on the second item in the list, "World War II Electronic Army Serial Number Merged File, 6/1/2002 - 9/30/2002" > On that screen, click the "select" button. This takes you to a screen with two "select" buttons. Click on the first. > Now you're finally at the search screen. Type your surname of interest in the name category, and away you go... > This is only a list of Army records. I'm not sure if it includes the Army Air Corps. I wonder if they'll do something similar for Navy records? > > -- > *Marsha L. Ensminger > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. > Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register > > Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > > New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer > Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. > Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237