Alan, Fascinating, although I don't believe the Dorothy Knibbs he married was one of mine was she. I thought at first that you meant Albert Longworth was involved with Knibbs & Parkyn - that wouldn't surprise me as he seemed to have his fingers in most pies, especially where engines and technology were involved.. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jackari2@aol.com> To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 3:52 PM Subject: [K/NIBB/S] Re Albert LONGWORTH > Don > > The last time he was mentioned on list was by me following a posting from you > concerning the coachbuilders 'KNIBBS & PARKYN' in Manchester. > > Serendiity strikes again because I've just this moment received a message > from John WARD in Australia who writes as follows: > > ''My great uncle Robert Parkyn married Dorothy May Knibbs in Bushire, Persia > (now Iran) some time around 1933. He later became chairman of the family > firm of motor-car coach-builders called Knibbs and Parkyn somewhere near > Manchester I think. I should very much like to fill in the Knibbs side of > this family, and learn more about the business side.'' > > I reckon Dorothy was the one born 02qtr1899 Aston District but have no > further info as I couldn't find her on the 1901 census. As you mention the firm > seems to have commenced business in 1840 so the connections are intriguing. We > need that machine to weed out the irrelevancies! > > I'm pursuing further and will report back if any progress made. > > bfn > > Alan > > > I regret that this isn't 100% KNIBBS > http://knibbs.family.users.btopenworld.com/Photos/Field2.jpg, but is > connected. > > Exactly 102 years ago today, 26th July 1902, the FIELD Magazine in the UK > published a full page article entitled "A New Weed Cutting Machine". It > relates to the trials of a new machine on the 102 acres lake at Blenheim > Palace where it was being used to cut back the weeds. This was necessary to > allow boating, sailing and fishing on the lake, and was an expensive annual > task. The new machine reduced the cost and the time taken to do it. > > There is a photograph of the Machine at work in the lake and the man > standing at the rear and in charge of the machine is Alfred LONGWORTH who > was the husband of Sarah Ann KNIBBS who was born in Woodstock, Oxfordshire > in September 1879, the daughter of William KNIBBS and Ellen Drinkwater. > > I am extremely grateful to Diane Hartland, the granddaughter of Alfred and > Sarah Ann for sharing this with me. If anyone is interested in reading more > of Alfred and Sarah, go to their family page at > http://knibbs.family.users.btopenworld.com/fam419.html > > Don > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Don Yes, I probably misled you there, as with NA/AL - thanx Marsha for the authoritative answer on those initials. It is possible though that Dorothy is linked to your family and, if the lottery comes up trumps, I might purchase her birth certificate. bfn Alan > Fascinating, although I don't believe the Dorothy Knibbs he married was one > of mine was she. I thought at first that you meant Albert Longworth was > involved with Knibbs & Parkyn - that wouldn't surprise me as he seemed to > have his fingers in most pies, especially where engines and technology were > involved.. >

I have today received some information concerning the Connecticut KNIBBS which is interesting. James KNIBBS, b. 1828 at Clifton, Oxfordshire, England emigrated to Connecticut, USA with his wife and two daughters in the mid-1850's. I have it that his wife Ellen died in about 1885. The 5-generation photo that I mentioned to the list recently has caused me to fire off a few enquiries into the other surnames of HABERSHON, YOUNG and ROOT that were mentioned. In response to an enquiry into the YOUNG family (Archie YOUNG was the great-great-grandson of James KNIBBS) I learned that the 1900 census for So Meriden, Connecticut, shows : "James KNIBBS, born Aug 1826 Eng, imm 1857 na, married 7 yrs his wife Julia born Sept 1830 Eng, imm 1888" - that is how it was given to me by the person who transcribed it. So, from that, I believe that James remarried after his first wife Ellen Collin died. That being so, Ellen must have died before 1885 or alternatively, the information given at the census was incorrect. Other non-KNIBBS snippets that came from the same source and maybe of interest are: James KNIBBS' daughter Ann who married Elija ROBERTS had a daughter Minnie L Roberts. From the 5-generation photo I concluded that Minnie married a man named John HABERSHON. The 1810 census shows: "John A. Habershon 37 imm 1892 Na, he & parents born Eng wife Minnie L. 36 born Connecticut parents bn GER married 10 yrs brother Walter 34 imm 1907 Al" Minnie was born in CT but her parents were born in England, not Germany as per the transcription. She did have a brother Walter. Does anyone know what "na", and "al" mean after the immigration dates above, please? Don

Hi don. I received this from alan, Let me introduce myself. My name is tina emery, nee Knowles. My great great grandmother was Emma Knibbs (or North, as I now know here). My great grandfather was James Clark Jones, her third child, he married a winifred Jeffrey, who in turn had several children one of which was my grandmother Barbara. I don't know alot about the knibbs/north family, and until now I have been unable to find out more, and I would be extremely grateful for any information that you may have, and if I can help with moving forward from john Francis and cecilia, I would only be too glad to assist you. I have looked at the photo at Blenheim, are they related to John Francis? Tina emery ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Knibbs" <don.knibbs@btinternet.com> To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 12:34 AM Subject: [K/NIBB/S] Woodstock KNIBBS > I regret that this isn't 100% KNIBBS > http://knibbs.family.users.btopenworld.com/Photos/Field2.jpg, but is > connected. > > Exactly 102 years ago today, 26th July 1902, the FIELD Magazine in the UK > published a full page article entitled "A New Weed Cutting Machine". It > relates to the trials of a new machine on the 102 acres lake at Blenheim > Palace where it was being used to cut back the weeds. This was necessary to > allow boating, sailing and fishing on the lake, and was an expensive annual > task. The new machine reduced the cost and the time taken to do it. > > There is a photograph of the Machine at work in the lake and the man > standing at the rear and in charge of the machine is Alfred LONGWORTH who > was the husband of Sarah Ann KNIBBS who was born in Woodstock, Oxfordshire > in September 1879, the daughter of William KNIBBS and Ellen Drinkwater. > > I am extremely grateful to Diane Hartland, the granddaughter of Alfred and > Sarah Ann for sharing this with me. If anyone is interested in reading more > of Alfred and Sarah, go to their family page at > http://knibbs.family.users.btopenworld.com/fam419.html > > Don > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

"na" = naturalized "al" = alien There's actually a third option "pa", which means naturalization papers have been filed (at some courthouse), but the citizenship process is not yet complete. These notations will only be found for men. Citizenship was not required in order to own land, and women couldn't vote till 1920. There were various quirks in the law at different times, but, generally an immigrant woman's status reflected her husband's. She was automatically naturalized when he was, without benefit of paperwork. (So were minor children.) For a while (don't remember exactly when), if a woman who was an American citizen by birth married an alien, she lost her citizenship. Jackari2@aol.com wrote: >Don >> >> Does anyone know what "na", and "al" mean after the immigration dates above, >> please? >> > >I'd guess North America and Alabama but US listers will no doubt come up with >something better. > >bfn > >Alan > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial.  Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > -- *Marsha L. Ensminger __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp

Don > > Does anyone know what "na", and "al" mean after the immigration dates above, > please? > I'd guess North America and Alabama but US listers will no doubt come up with something better. bfn Alan

Don > So, from that, I believe that James remarried after his first wife Ellen > Collin died. That being so, Ellen must have died before 1885 or > alternatively, the information given at the census was incorrect. > > Yes, Ellen died 1885 and was buried Greenwood Cemetery Avon CT. I have 1893 for hs wedding to Julia but, like the death of his first wife, I have no no precise details to verify the dates. bfn Alan

Has any lister ordered this? It's due to be released on 1st September. I'm pinning my hopes on it to sort out a number of K/NIBB/S families by supplementing existing available databases - principally the IGI which of course only contains baptisms and marriages. bfn Alan Alan Jackson Host at The K/NIBB/S One Name Study & Mailing List Website address http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~knibbetc Did you know? Earlier postings to the list are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/KNIBB-L/ Please follow log-on instructions when you first visit!

Don The last time he was mentioned on list was by me following a posting from you concerning the coachbuilders 'KNIBBS & PARKYN' in Manchester. Serendiity strikes again because I've just this moment received a message from John WARD in Australia who writes as follows: ''My great uncle Robert Parkyn married Dorothy May Knibbs in Bushire, Persia (now Iran) some time around 1933. He later became chairman of the family firm of motor-car coach-builders called Knibbs and Parkyn somewhere near Manchester I think. I should very much like to fill in the Knibbs side of this family, and learn more about the business side.'' I reckon Dorothy was the one born 02qtr1899 Aston District but have no further info as I couldn't find her on the 1901 census. As you mention the firm seems to have commenced business in 1840 so the connections are intriguing. We need that machine to weed out the irrelevancies! I'm pursuing further and will report back if any progress made. bfn Alan I regret that this isn't 100% KNIBBS http://knibbs.family.users.btopenworld.com/Photos/Field2.jpg, but is connected. Exactly 102 years ago today, 26th July 1902, the FIELD Magazine in the UK published a full page article entitled "A New Weed Cutting Machine". It relates to the trials of a new machine on the 102 acres lake at Blenheim Palace where it was being used to cut back the weeds. This was necessary to allow boating, sailing and fishing on the lake, and was an expensive annual task. The new machine reduced the cost and the time taken to do it. There is a photograph of the Machine at work in the lake and the man standing at the rear and in charge of the machine is Alfred LONGWORTH who was the husband of Sarah Ann KNIBBS who was born in Woodstock, Oxfordshire in September 1879, the daughter of William KNIBBS and Ellen Drinkwater. I am extremely grateful to Diane Hartland, the granddaughter of Alfred and Sarah Ann for sharing this with me. If anyone is interested in reading more of Alfred and Sarah, go to their family page at http://knibbs.family.users.btopenworld.com/fam419.html Don

Hi Alan :) "Back from hols in France and into K/NIBB/S with a vengeance." Soooooooooo ... how was your holiday? Come on, fill us in!! And why didn't we pop in for a cuppa?!? Tsk! Tsk! Tsk! ;D You know, in hindsight I should've found out WHERE in France you were going to be. If it wasn't far from the German border, we could've met you. Trust me to think of it now! lol Take care, Rob.

Back from hols in France and into K/NIBB/S with a vengeance. An interesting enquiry came from a gentleman writing an article about Jane AUSTEN's 'Mansfield Park' and the NIBBS sugar plantation connection. I'll keep everyone posted if anything further develops. Rosemary OWENS, nee KNIBBS, visited Don's website and has supplied info re her family who came from Brackley. More later, I hope, which will be of particular interest to Chris RILEY. Tina EMERY has joined us. Don will be fascinated to know that she is descended from Cecilia NORTH who married John Francis KNIBBS via Emma. Bob KNIBBS has sent me the following re nurse KNIBBS from http://www.elsworthvillage.org.uk/opus144.html Elsworth - 7th February Inquest on child. An inquest was held at the Three Horse Shoes public-house, in this parish, on Thursday last, before Mr. F. Grain, deputy-coroner, on the body of Julia Throssell, a little girl about 5 years of age, who died on the previous Tuesday afternoon, after a very short illness, and without being attended by any medical man. It appeared by the evidence of the mother of the deceased that she had, from her infancy, been frequently ailing, and from the previous Friday she seemed to be suffering from cold. On the Tuesday morning she remained in bed, but appeared much the same until about half-past one o'clock when she asked for something to drink; and her mother on going to give it her, noticing a change in her appearance, sent for a nurse named Knibbs who lived near, but the child died in about half-an-hour afterwards, apparently from suffocation. Mr. Brook, surgeon, of Caxton, made a post mortem examination of the body, and stated that on opening the throat he found in the lower part of the trachea an abcess, apparently of long standing, formed by a tubercular deposit, and which, by pressing upon the air-tube, had, he had no doubt, caused the death of the child by suffocation. The jury returned a verdict of "died by the visitation of God." bfn Alan Alan Jackson Host at The K/NIBB/S One Name Study & Mailing List Website address http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~knibbetc Did you know? Earlier postings to the list are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/KNIBB-L/ Please follow log-on instructions when you first visit!

from "Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter" http://eogn.typepad.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2004/07/our_rootsnos_ra.html Our Roots/Nos Racines One of the genealogical resources frequently overlooked is local histories. These books are great resources, often containing detailed information not available elsewhere. The biggest problem usually is in finding these books. Luckily, Laval University and the University of Calgary are solving this problem for many Canadian families by placing these books on the Web. The project is funded by the Canadian taxpayer through the federal government. Quoting from the Web site: Our Roots/Nos Racines provides universal access via the World Wide Web to unique primary and secondary materials concerning the cultural and social heritage of our nation. These local histories have been written by the community, for the community and represent Canada's history as told by the people. Another page on the Web site states: Our Canadian local history consortium is dedicated to providing Canadians and people from all over the world with access to our most important stories. Many local histories reside in private collections or are not easily accessible to the public. Our Roots / Nos Racines is intended to digitally preserve stories and information that might otherwise be lost forever. This online resource presently contains about 1,500 books in the collection, all digitized and full-text searchable. Many people moved between Canada and the US, and to Canada from the UK, so the collection should be of interest to more people than just Canadians. It's so easy to use that it is worth trying, even if you think the odds are slim of finding anything. I went to the site and entered some of my French-Canadian ancestral names. It didn't take long to find "hits." In short order I was looking at scanned images of the original books. In my case, most of these books were printed in French. I then tried a couple of other Canadian ancestral names of Scottish origin. I didn't fare so well with these; the names of these farmers apparently were not recorded. However, I quickly found a history book of the small town in which they lived and read a lot (in English) about the area. The books appear on-screen as scanned images of the originals. You are reading the actual words as published in the books, not transcribed copies with added errors. The Web site does not tell how to make copies of these pages, but I found it easy to right-click on the image of a page and then select "Save Picture As…" from the Web browser's menus. Using this method to save a few pages to your hard drive is trivial although I don't think I would save an entire book this way. Our Roots/Nos Racines is a great Canadian genealogy and local history resource with its 1,500 books already online. Best of all, the site is free of charge for everyone. You can access all the resources of Our Roots/Nos Racines at: http://www.ourroots.ca -- *Marsha L. Ensminger __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp

I regret that this isn't 100% KNIBBS http://knibbs.family.users.btopenworld.com/Photos/Field2.jpg, but is connected. Exactly 102 years ago today, 26th July 1902, the FIELD Magazine in the UK published a full page article entitled "A New Weed Cutting Machine". It relates to the trials of a new machine on the 102 acres lake at Blenheim Palace where it was being used to cut back the weeds. This was necessary to allow boating, sailing and fishing on the lake, and was an expensive annual task. The new machine reduced the cost and the time taken to do it. There is a photograph of the Machine at work in the lake and the man standing at the rear and in charge of the machine is Alfred LONGWORTH who was the husband of Sarah Ann KNIBBS who was born in Woodstock, Oxfordshire in September 1879, the daughter of William KNIBBS and Ellen Drinkwater. I am extremely grateful to Diane Hartland, the granddaughter of Alfred and Sarah Ann for sharing this with me. If anyone is interested in reading more of Alfred and Sarah, go to their family page at http://knibbs.family.users.btopenworld.com/fam419.html Don

Ana, It should be accessible via the Yahoo KNIBB Group now. Or if you prefer, I have it on my website now at http://knibbs.family.users.btopenworld.com/Photos/James1828.htm If you go to the version on my web site I've listed the names and ages of everyone in the photograph. Also, if you click anywhere on the image itself, it will flip over so you can see and read the handwriting on the reverse side. Click a second time and it flicks back again. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: <Redlockz@aol.com> To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] James KNIBBS b.1828 > Don, > i CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THE PICTURE. > Ana > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Don, i CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THE PICTURE. Ana

I've just posted a 5 generation photograph onto the Yahoo KNIBB Group of James KNIBBS b.1828 at Clifton, Oxfordshire, England. On the reverse side of the photo is written: "5 generations taken May 8th 1908. Mr James Knibbs of Unionville, Conn, aged 78 years his daughter Mrs ?. A. Root of Southington Conn aged 56 years her daughter Mrs John Habershon(?) of So. Meriden Conn, aged 34 yrs her daughter Mrs Archie Young of So. Meriden Conn, aged 17 yrs her son Archie Arthur Young, aged, 6 months" James KNIBBS was my Grandfather's uncle. He emigrated to the USA and settled in Connecticut in the mid-1850's. KNIBBS families continue to live in that same area today, within just a few miles from where James originally settled. I am extremely lucky to have got hold of this photograph. It turned up in a pile of old picture postcards. A man named Leo Whelan purchased a batch of 4,000 picture postcards at auction in the USA. When he was sorting through them he found the photograph, spotted the name KNIBBS on the reverse, and a quick search on the internet pointed him in my direction. He emailed me with a couple of the names from the reverse of the photograph and offered to sell it to me. The surname ROOT certainly rang bells. James' son John married a girl named Florence ROOT, but she would be Mrs KNIBBS, not Mrs ROOT as written on the photograph. James's son John did however live in Unionville. I was convinced - and with the help of John KNIBBS in Connecticut I've now got hold of the photo. The ages of the people recorded on the reverse have helped to give me a good idea of who they are: James is indeed James born 1828 at Clifton, Oxfordshire, England Mrs Root is his daughter Ann, born 1852 at Clifton also. She was previously married to Elija Roberts who died in 1898. I wasn't aware that she had remarried a man named Root. Mrs John Habershon is her daughter Minnie Roberts b. 1873 from the previous marriage. Mrs Archie Young and her son Archie Young are new additions to my data. There's a little digging to do with regard to ROOT, HABERSHON and YOUNG, but nevertheless, I feel very lucky to have got hold of the photograph. Don

Hi Alan :) Okay, that at least gives me a birth date for Job, I didn't even have that thanks! :D I think it's time I surfed your site again, see what else I can pick up!! This is what I get for working on my other lines! ;D Take care, Rob. IBSSG Stuttgart, Germany Honey's Home of Genealogy www.honeyshome.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jackari2@aol.com To: KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Re: http://www.northants1841.fsnet.co.uk Robyn > Would this Job NIBBS be William David NIBBS' father? If so, I have > absolutely no information on him to date, do you have anything other than his name, > which is all I have? Nope, as he was born c1790 and we're looking for someone between 18 and 45 in 1762. bfn Alan ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi Alan :) Would this Job NIBBS be William David NIBBS' father? If so, I have absolutely no information on him to date, do you have anything other than his name, which is all I have? ;D Take care, Rob. IBSSG Stuttgart, Germany Honey's Home of Genealogy www.honeyshome.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jackari2@aol.com To: KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 3:07 PM Subject: [K/NIBB/S] Re: http://www.northants1841.fsnet.co.uk The 1762 Militia Lists for Kettering are mentioned at another page on this website referred to us by Bob and Joyce. Rod might be interested to know that Samuel and Job NIBBS both weavers are mentioned. Now I have brothers of the same names, one of whom was a weaver but at Kidderminster. I wonder if it's possible that they were working on a commission in or around Kettering - a long way away but the coincidence is startling. bfn Alan Alan Jackson Host at The K/NIBB/S One Name Study & Mailing List Website address http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~knibbetc Did you know? Earlier postings to the list are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/KNIBB-L/ Please follow log-on instructions when you first visit! ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

The Samuel Knibb weaver of Kettering I believe is mine. Don't drink all the wine but have a good holiday. Love to all Rose-Marie. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jackari2@aol.com> To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 2:07 PM Subject: [K/NIBB/S] Re: http://www.northants1841.fsnet.co.uk > The 1762 Militia Lists for Kettering are mentioned at another page on this > website referred to us by Bob and Joyce. > > Rod might be interested to know that Samuel and Job NIBBS both weavers are > mentioned. Now I have brothers of the same names, one of whom was a weaver but > at Kidderminster. I wonder if it's possible that they were working on a > commission in or around Kettering - a long way away but the coincidence is > startling. > > bfn > > Alan > > Alan Jackson > Host at The K/NIBB/S One Name Study & Mailing List > Website address http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~knibbetc > > Did you know? Earlier postings to the list are archived at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/KNIBB-L/ > Please follow log-on instructions when you first visit! > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Rose-Marie > The Samuel Knibb weaver of Kettering I believe is mine. I didn't think of him seeing as NIBBS. Yes, we know he was a weaver from Toller Road church records as I recall. Do you think John is Job? If not there could just possibly be a link between your family and the Kidderminster NIBBS, I suppose. I wouldn't have thought so but won't rule it out. > > Don't drink all the wine but have a good holiday. > I'll leave a drop for your next visit. bfn Alan