Hi Alan and All You are not the only one agog! Some great successes all 'round lately it seems, plus info on "new" K/NIBB/S coming to light in so many places. Proof that modern technology... coupled with wonderfully preserved records of old, can be very effective for determined researchers and their helpers. Happy tree-climbin' to all. Bfn Bev Queensland, Australia > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, 25 October 2001 11:20 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [K/NIBB/S] Pat on the back time > > > First up, Beverley's Auntie Pam. She has come up with > confirmation of Arthur > Leslie KNIBB's parents and hey presto the KNIBB/KNIBBS marriage > in NSW can > now be seen as the consolidating link between Muriel's KNIBB > family and that > of Beverley's KNIBBS. We also have confirmation about a > previously rumoured > KNIBB made memorial at Stratford so am agog to find out more. > > Etc... Etc... Etc...> --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.286 / Virus Database: 152 - Release Date: 9/10/2001

Hi Richard I am really interested in the letter concerning the marriage of Bartholemew Knibb who was baptised in Stoke Goldington. My dad's ancestors all came from Stoke Goldington. At the recent Knibb gathering in Warwick lots of people looked at our family tree but no one could place there relatives in Stoke Goldington so it is a pretty good bet that Bart belongs to my dad's tree.... looking forward to hearing from you all for the moment sioux ----- Original Message ----- From: "\ " <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 6:01 PM Subject: [K/NIBB/S] The name Knibbs > Greetings > Looking back through some old letters that I have received form adverts placed in several magazines I wondered if they may be of some usee to fellow researchers. They are as follows > One from relatives who married in Croughton in 1894 - they were Sarah Allen and George Knibbs. > One from Little Marlow. About William Knibb who was transported to Van Diemans Land in 1831 > One from a man who's mother was born in London but her father William came from Wesbury / Finmere area. > One from a man who's relatives moved from Swereford in 1850 to Birmingham. > One concerning the marriage of Bartholemew Knibb who was baptised in Stoke Goldington. > One concerning a William Stanton Knibb. b 1881 Liverpool > One concernibg a William George Cyril Knibbs from Brackley > Finally, one from a lady who has traced her line back to Richard and Sarah Knibbs in Deddington, between 1760 and 1770. > > All these letters are about 3 - 5 years old. Any use? > > Thanks > Richard > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > >

Hi Alan & All I agree. With everyone pooling their findings the K/Nibb/s research has blossomed extensively. Koodoos to all. bfn Joyce Fischer CANADA Bev Smith wrote: > Hi Alan and All > > You are not the only one agog! > > Some great successes all 'round lately it seems, plus info on "new" K/NIBB/S > coming to light in so many places. Proof that modern technology... coupled > with wonderfully preserved records of old, can be very effective for > determined researchers and their helpers. > > Happy tree-climbin' to all. > > Bfn > Bev > Queensland, Australia > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Thursday, 25 October 2001 11:20 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [K/NIBB/S] Pat on the back time > > > > > > First up, Beverley's Auntie Pam. She has come up with > > confirmation of Arthur > > Leslie KNIBB's parents and hey presto the KNIBB/KNIBBS marriage > > in NSW can > > now be seen as the consolidating link between Muriel's KNIBB > > family and that > > of Beverley's KNIBBS. We also have confirmation about a > > previously rumoured > > KNIBB made memorial at Stratford so am agog to find out more. > > > > Etc... Etc... Etc...> > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.286 / Virus Database: 152 - Release Date: 9/10/2001 > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

Of course! Sorry George - I was thinking 'George' as I knew of your connection with Swerford and Raymond, but for some reason typed in 'Bob'. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] The name Knibbs > In a message dated 25/10/01 20:31:05 GMT Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > > Does anyone know if Raymond KNIBBS is on the list, please? I wonder if > > perhaps it would be Raymond Dennis KNIBBS, Bob Knibbs' cousin? > > > > > > THE COUSIN OF GEORGE KNIBBS WHO SORTED OUT THE DEDDINGTON RECORDS ORIGINALLY > PER RESEARCHERS PAGE ON WEBSITE > > BFN > > ALAN > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >

"I lost my file of this when changing computers (isn't there a something law about this?!!) so can't download it to anyone at the moment. " Robin, It's called "The Genealogists' Law" ... have vital information on computer, will crash! ;) Robyn. ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, 26 October, 2001 8:35 am Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Portfolio Re Allan's suggestion about sharing records we each hold, I haven't any complete registers etc as I only usually extract what is relevent for me when I go on a search. However, I have transcribed the indexes (all right, it should be indices!) of the NATIONAL PROBATE CALENDERS for the years 1853-1943 for the name KNIBB. This indexes the Wills and Letters of Administration proved during these years in England. For those of you unfamiliar with them, although only indexes, they do give information useful to Family Historians. It varies from record to record but information given often includes place and date of death, occupation, status and address of deceased and indication of estate (eg 'Effects under £1000'). It also gives the name and sometimes address of executor which is often a relative (eg wife, husband etc.) and so can be particulary useful. If relevant, the full will can then be obtained from the Principal Probate Registry, London. I lost my file of this when changing computers (isn't there a something law about this?!!) so can't download it to anyone at the moment. However, I am re-inputting from my original notes and should be able to do so on request in a few days. Until then I am happy to check for any given individual and send if found, as each record is very short. Sorry to all you NIBBS and KNIBBS but so far I have only transcribed the entries for KNIBB. However, if I get the time I will add these. I''ve got an idea my local Record Office has now extended its files beyond 1943. If so I will also add post 1943 records. Robin ============================== Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history learning and how-to articles on the Internet. http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.282 / Virus Database: 150 - Release Date: 9.25.01

Re Allan's suggestion about sharing records we each hold, I haven't any complete registers etc as I only usually extract what is relevent for me when I go on a search. However, I have transcribed the indexes (all right, it should be indices!) of the NATIONAL PROBATE CALENDERS for the years 1853-1943 for the name KNIBB. This indexes the Wills and Letters of Administration proved during these years in England. For those of you unfamiliar with them, although only indexes, they do give information useful to Family Historians. It varies from record to record but information given often includes place and date of death, occupation, status and address of deceased and indication of estate (eg 'Effects under £1000'). It also gives the name and sometimes address of executor which is often a relative (eg wife, husband etc.) and so can be particulary useful. If relevant, the full will can then be obtained from the Principal Probate Registry, London. I lost my file of this when changing computers (isn't there a something law about this?!!) so can't download it to anyone at the moment. However, I am re-inputting from my original notes and should be able to do so on request in a few days. Until then I am happy to check for any given individual and send if found, as each record is very short. Sorry to all you NIBBS and KNIBBS but so far I have only transcribed the entries for KNIBB. However, if I get the time I will add these. I''ve got an idea my local Record Office has now extended its files beyond 1943. If so I will also add post 1943 records. Robin

Richard, Many thanks. Interestingly enough, I communicated with Shirley Williams just recently. She didn't mention Richard and Sarah so I'll give her a shout. Does anyone know if Raymond KNIBBS is on the list, please? I wonder if perhaps it would be Raymond Dennis KNIBBS, Bob Knibbs' cousin? Don ----- Original Message ----- From: ? <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] The name Knibbs > Hi Don > > Shirley Williams, AEL-Y-BRYN, PENRHIW, BOW STREET, DYFED, SY24 5BA > has traced her line back to Richard and Sarah Knibbs, baptised in Deddington > between 1760 and 1770 > > Raymond Knibbs, 7,HAVEN BAULK LANE, LITTLEOVER, DERBY, DE23 7AA was > the one about Swereford. > > These letters are dated about 1996 so they may have moved. > > Richard > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don Knibbs <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 7:36 PM > Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] The name Knibbs > > > > Richard, > > > > Many thanks for sharing that with us. I've looked through the list and > would > > be interested in the information you have on the following, please: > > > > - One from a man who's relatives moved from Swereford in 1850 to > Birmingham. > > - Finally, one from a lady who has traced her line back to Richard and > Sarah > > Knibbs in Deddington, between 1760 and 1770. > > > > Don > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: \\ <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 6:01 PM > > Subject: [K/NIBB/S] The name Knibbs > > > > > > > Greetings > > > Looking back through some old letters that I have received form adverts > > placed in several magazines I wondered if they may be of some usee to > fellow > > researchers. They are as follows > > > One from relatives who married in Croughton in 1894 - they were Sarah > > Allen and George Knibbs. > > > One from Little Marlow. About William Knibb who was transported to Van > > Diemans Land in 1831 > > > One from a man who's mother was born in London but her father William > came > > from Wesbury / Finmere area. > > > One from a man who's relatives moved from Swereford in 1850 to > Birmingham. > > > One concerning the marriage of Bartholemew Knibb who was baptised in > Stoke > > Goldington. > > > One concerning a William Stanton Knibb. b 1881 Liverpool > > > One concernibg a William George Cyril Knibbs from Brackley > > > Finally, one from a lady who has traced her line back to Richard and > Sarah > > Knibbs in Deddington, between 1760 and 1770. > > > > > > All these letters are about 3 - 5 years old. Any use? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > > > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >

In a message dated 25/10/01 20:31:05 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Does anyone know if Raymond KNIBBS is on the list, please? I wonder if > perhaps it would be Raymond Dennis KNIBBS, Bob Knibbs' cousin? > > THE COUSIN OF GEORGE KNIBBS WHO SORTED OUT THE DEDDINGTON RECORDS ORIGINALLY PER RESEARCHERS PAGE ON WEBSITE BFN ALAN

Hi Don Shirley Williams, AEL-Y-BRYN, PENRHIW, BOW STREET, DYFED, SY24 5BA has traced her line back to Richard and Sarah Knibbs, baptised in Deddington between 1760 and 1770 Raymond Knibbs, 7,HAVEN BAULK LANE, LITTLEOVER, DERBY, DE23 7AA was the one about Swereford. These letters are dated about 1996 so they may have moved. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Knibbs <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] The name Knibbs > Richard, > > Many thanks for sharing that with us. I've looked through the list and would > be interested in the information you have on the following, please: > > - One from a man who's relatives moved from Swereford in 1850 to Birmingham. > - Finally, one from a lady who has traced her line back to Richard and Sarah > Knibbs in Deddington, between 1760 and 1770. > > Don > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: \\ <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 6:01 PM > Subject: [K/NIBB/S] The name Knibbs > > > > Greetings > > Looking back through some old letters that I have received form adverts > placed in several magazines I wondered if they may be of some usee to fellow > researchers. They are as follows > > One from relatives who married in Croughton in 1894 - they were Sarah > Allen and George Knibbs. > > One from Little Marlow. About William Knibb who was transported to Van > Diemans Land in 1831 > > One from a man who's mother was born in London but her father William came > from Wesbury / Finmere area. > > One from a man who's relatives moved from Swereford in 1850 to Birmingham. > > One concerning the marriage of Bartholemew Knibb who was baptised in Stoke > Goldington. > > One concerning a William Stanton Knibb. b 1881 Liverpool > > One concernibg a William George Cyril Knibbs from Brackley > > Finally, one from a lady who has traced her line back to Richard and Sarah > Knibbs in Deddington, between 1760 and 1770. > > > > All these letters are about 3 - 5 years old. Any use? > > > > Thanks > > Richard > > > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > > > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

Alan, If you are developing an interest in the Niblett name, add this to your file. I (Pam) found this whilst hunting for Bryants in Bath. On LDS Film No. 0474609 1841 census, Bath, Somerset, St. James Parish. Broad Street Willm. Niblett 50 Porter N Martha 50 Upholstress N George 13 Errand Boy Y Mark 9 Y Lucky and I will be away from 4th Nov. for about 2-3 months, nothing exciting, just inside the island. All the best, Pam Watson.

First up, Beverley's Auntie Pam. She has come up with confirmation of Arthur Leslie KNIBB's parents and hey presto the KNIBB/KNIBBS marriage in NSW can now be seen as the consolidating link between Muriel's KNIBB family and that of Beverley's KNIBBS. We also have confirmation about a previously rumoured KNIBB made memorial at Stratford so am agog to find out more. Secondly, Don for posting his items for the suggested portfolio. (Where's yours?!) It reminded me about a particular Parish Record he had and we might just be on the verge of a famous breakthrough. I say 'might' as we still need some concrete evidence and a few hurdles [one from this morning] to overcome. I would just ask that if you personally have received a query from me about your early KNIBBS in America/Canada to which you have not replied as yet, please, please do so now even if only to say you have nothing further to report. Next, three cheers for Joyce in Canada. Between us we have just about cracked the Akeley Parish records to prove that all of the many K/NIBBS there throughout time (literally ALL) came from one and the same family. And we mustn't forget Richard KNIBBS whom I think it was that sent her a complete copy of the Akeley Parish Register. I attended a fourth University 'Open Day' at Leicester yesterday - no sight of Rose-Marie researching in the Welford Road cemetery immediately opposite. A two hour stint in the Library did produce a thing or two eg her brother's entry in Who's Who, verification of some K/NIBB/S who attended Oxford University over the years, some Jamaican items to follow up and a learned treatise on first names and surnames pre and post the Norman invasion. Lastly, the Romulus Press Bibliographic database on their computer had me hooked. It can be searched for all instances of a name and here are some examples of those found:- George KNIBB, finally listed as Reverend of Appleton, Berks subscribed to a veritable library of books between 1735 and 1748. he was into ballads, cantatas, travel books as well as theological studies. Most revealing. (We have him in the Clockmakers family) An unamed KNIBB at Stratford in 1796 subscribed to a book on Bookkeeping. Perhaps a forebear of the Memorial maker above. An unamed KNIBBS of Butchers Row, Temple Bar, London in 1775 appears in The Spring Calendar: an account of the Plates, Matches and Sweepstakes run for in GB that year. He was in the categories of Girth/Web manufacturer, saddlery/harness maker. Perhaps same person as next entry. Thomas KNIBBS (and later Thomas junior) of variously 247/8 Oxford St London 1785, 101 & 24 Bishopsgate and City Chambers appear in the same categories plus ironmonger and coach maker in several directories after that date. A Henry NIBBS puchased a book on Italian in 1794 and in 1798 a KNIBB at Maidenhead Bridge is dabbling in poetry as also a KNIBBS at Woodstock in 1796. James Langford NIBBS and his wife Barbara also get a mention re their marriage in The Gentleman's Magazine (which we knew about) and some books from Celtic researches to a Survey of Devon 1785/6. William NIBBS receives a four year sentence from a JP at Fairfield in 1806. So a hurrah for Harriet and University Librarians - except Leeds who won't let me through the door! Now, if you reckon I know my K/NIBB/S trees 'off pat', you'll know some of the people I have to thank for that. Unfortunately, Pat's not always around when I want her, so I'd be glad to receive any more research items for inclusion in the suggested portfolio. bfn Alan List Administrator and host at <A HREF="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~knibbetc/">THE K/NIBB/S ONE NAME STUDY website</A> Did you know? Earlier postings to the list are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/KNIBB-L/ Please follow log-on instructions when you first visit!

In a message dated 25/10/01 12:48:04 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > nothing exciting, just inside the island. > > Can you see from one side to the other? Thanx for NIBLETs but I think I'll only track pre c1500. bfn Alan

In a message dated 23/10/01 00:59:43 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > There are two that might check out in the London area > > 1852 Bethnal Green > 1862 Mile End > > Plus of course Francis 02qtr1856 St George's East who we assume made the Will proved later in that year. I confirm that I have not 'placed' the other two. bfn Alan

Don/Alan Re Francis in London . There are two that might check out in the London area 1852 Bethnal Green 1862 Mile End Neither show the age at death so I will follow them up and advise if you have any info on them please let me know Bob K

Richard Re your list I would be interested in details of the William from Finmere/Westbury connection with London. Thanks for your assistance Bob Knibbs

Richard, Many thanks for sharing that with us. I've looked through the list and would be interested in the information you have on the following, please: - One from a man who's relatives moved from Swereford in 1850 to Birmingham. - Finally, one from a lady who has traced her line back to Richard and Sarah Knibbs in Deddington, between 1760 and 1770. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: \\ <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 6:01 PM Subject: [K/NIBB/S] The name Knibbs > Greetings > Looking back through some old letters that I have received form adverts placed in several magazines I wondered if they may be of some usee to fellow researchers. They are as follows > One from relatives who married in Croughton in 1894 - they were Sarah Allen and George Knibbs. > One from Little Marlow. About William Knibb who was transported to Van Diemans Land in 1831 > One from a man who's mother was born in London but her father William came from Wesbury / Finmere area. > One from a man who's relatives moved from Swereford in 1850 to Birmingham. > One concerning the marriage of Bartholemew Knibb who was baptised in Stoke Goldington. > One concerning a William Stanton Knibb. b 1881 Liverpool > One concernibg a William George Cyril Knibbs from Brackley > Finally, one from a lady who has traced her line back to Richard and Sarah Knibbs in Deddington, between 1760 and 1770. > > All these letters are about 3 - 5 years old. Any use? > > Thanks > Richard > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >

Re a message from me earlier tonight, the Worcester All Saints burials are on the National Burials Index so a search of the Parish Records would probably yield nothing further. bfn Alan

Don > All we have in the PR is Francis KNIBBS, Steeple Barton, Mary SODEN, Steeple > Barton, so nothing that helps at all. There are no Banns at Deddington that > help either. > HAVE YOU ANY BURIALS AT STEEPLE BARTON? I'M UNHAPPY WITH THE ONE AT DEDDINGTON FOR RICHARD, FATHER OF FRANCIS. WOULDN'T IT BE A TURN UP IF THERE WAS ONE IN WORCESTER. > The information from Bob re the Fancis/Ann marriage is interesting and > certainly adds further doubt to the marriage between Francis b. 1767 and > Mary SODEN. The marriage of Francis b. 1767 to Ann POWELL is certainly a > better match. It may of course be coincidental that 3 of the children from > the Francis and Ann POWELL are named after siblings of Francis b. 1767 - the > 4th after Francis himself. The date of Francis' death equating to a birth in > WELL DATE NOT CONCLUSIVE BUT DEFINITELY WORTH FOLLOWING UP. FOR STARTERS, WE NEED SOMEONE WITH ACCESS TO THE WORCESTER PR, I GUESS, TO SEE IF THERE WAS A FRANCIS K/NIBBS BAPTISED THERE AROUND 1767. MICHAEL PEARMAN MAY SEE THIS AND OBLIGE BUT NOT SHOWN ON IGI AND IF THAT'S COMPLETE THEN HE WOULD BE WASTING HIS TIME. BURIALS ANOTHER MATTER.BUT AGAIN NEED TO CHECK THAT NOT IN NBI. > > From what I'm seeing, I'm pretty sure the current Francis KNIBBS/Mary SODEN > marriage is incorrect. What Bob has found look very much like it is the > correct marriage of Francis b. Deddington 1767. The Francis b. Deddington > 1793 is more likely to be the one who married Mary SODEN, but who does he > belong to? He's not one of mine. If we're right, someone's in line for a > pleasant surprise. If you can think of which certificates we need to get > hold of to solve the mystery for good, let me know and I'd be happy to dig > THE CERTIFICATE FOR FRANCIS WHO DIED 1856 SHOULD GIVE US HIS AGE EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T APPEAR IN THE INDEXES. > > Back to the original topic, does it get you any closer to linking the two > families with the drinking Edwins? > > NOT YET BUT WE CAN RULE OUT WORCESTER I THINK AS THE HENRY BAPTISED THERE DIED YOUNG. AS REGARDS THE FRANCIS BAPTISED 1793, I'M PRETTY SURE HE'S ON YOUR CHART SO NOT ALL IS LOST! I'LL CHECK AND COME BACK OFF LIST. BFN ALAN

Richard I'd be interested in following up all. Nearly all of the names are instantly recognisable and I might already know the writers but there again they could open up new lines of research. I'd certainly be able to help each and everyone of them. bfn Alan

Ritchie He told me a little while back that he was losing his line and unfortunately I have not been advised of another. I got the impression he would keep in touch via a relation [David?] but nothing's come through as yet. bfn Alan > The email address I have for Gordon Charles Knibbs is not getting > through. I suspect he has changed it. What do you have for an email > address > for him?