Hi Alan, Im at work so cant get the Gedcom with convict data to you yet but will re-send from home soonest. Meanwhile Ive been looking at some info on the web about William Nibbs (various) marriages in Tasmania last century, mostly on the Tas Archives Office Colonial Tasmanian Family Links Database at http://pioneers.archives.tas.gov.au/ Its not as good as the CD ROM BDM index I looked at in the library last night but does show some good info, including family links in some cases. >From this, I see that they have William Nibbs married Sarah Randell in 1847 at Hobart (not 1834) and that this William was born in 1805. (Sarah was born in 1799). She is also listed as Knibbs, or Randall Sarah, born 1801, died 1851 at Hobart. There are several more listings for Nibb/s and Knibb/s on this database if people are interested. Cheers, Stuart >Many thanx Stuart for the further info on Thomas and for these. > >> Two new convicts are: >> >> 1. James Knibbs - b abt 1799 Oxford ENG, m Mary MORRIS 1 Dec 1830 in Hobart >> TAS AUS. (Mary abt 1801 - 12 Jun 1843) No children found or record of his >> death. >> >I do have this couple in the database as follows but have not been able to >trace back to Oxfordshire. As we know his accomplices, I've asked a question >on the OXFORDSHIRE Rootsweb list in case any one recognises Martin HARTWELL >or Thomas LONNAN as one of theirs. > >James KNIBBS > Born c1799 Oxfordshire > Baptised > Died > Buried > Occupation Labourer transported to Tasmania > Father > Mother > > Married 1Dec1830 Hobart > >Mary MORRIS > Born c1801 > Baptised > Died 12Jun1843 Hobart > Buried > Occupation > Father > Mother > >Children >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >-- > >Richard KNIBBS > Born 7Dec1834 Hobart > Baptised > Died > Buried > Occupation > >Thomas KNIBBS > Born c1834 Tasmania > Baptised > Died 10Feb1834 Hobart > Buried > Occupation > >Joseph KNIBBS > Born c1839 Tasmania > Baptised > Died 10Jan1839 Hobart > Buried > Occupation > >Joseph NIBBS > Born c1842 Tasmania > Baptised > Died 24Mar1842 Hobart > Buried > Occupation > >Mary appears as Mary Ann in some records which could of course mean there's >more than one such family. > >> >> 2. Richard Nibbs - transported to Australia (haven't checked details for >> town) in ship "Parkfield", arriving 01 Sep 1839. (Have number of the AO >> microfiche listing his convict Indent details if anyone wants it). >> >> >Again not picked up from the database. > >I have also noted a William NIBBS who married a Sarah RANDELL in Tasmania >1834. I had wondered if this was an earlier marriage for the swing rioter >but his life seems so well documented that I don't think it can be him. > >I wonder who and if any connection with the other 'criminals'. > >bfn > >Alan > > > >============================== >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > >
Thanks Stuart for the reference to Colonial Tasmanian Family Links. Although I don't think any of my Knibbs' were in Tasmania, I did find some of my Hartletts there! My work is cut out for me for the next week :-) Natascha Hartlett
and two more convicts transported to "down under"! Hi everyone, I had previously sent Alan some details I found on the web about a Thos Knibbs apparently sent to Tasmania in 1835. Since then, I've found different information about him that I think is likely to be more accurate. That's because it comes from official sources rather than a private website. So here it is (full records in a GEDCOM I'm sending direct to Alan): Thomas Knibbs: abt 1799 - 1856. Born Oxfordshire, died Parramatta NSW AUS. No record found of marriage or children. (Name recorded as Nibbs on deaths index) Convict, sentenced to 14 yrs (NSW census 1828) Sentenced to 7 yrs (General Muster List of NSW 1823/4/5) From "The convict Ships 1787-1868" by Charles Bateson, 1974: "Royal Charlotte" - arrived 29 Apr 1825, with135 male convicts who landed in Sydney (1 died on the voyage). The ship was a 471 Ton transport, master Mr Corbyn, surgeon Geo Fairfowl. Sailed 5 Jan 1825 from Portsmouth and travelled via Teneriffe, taking 114 days. On 8 March, the surgeon thwarted an alleged plot by 43 convicts to murder the officers and seize the ship. He separated the ring leaders and placed them in irons in different parts of the ship, which ensured no further trouble during the voyage. From Principal Superintendent Of Convicts Bound Indents (see sources): Thomas Knibbs was convicted at Oxford on 29 Jul 1824 for a term of 7 yrs. His native place was Oxfordshire, calling ploughman, age 26 yrs (in 1825), height 5' 9 1/2", complexion sallow, hair brown, eyes blue. Two new convicts are: 1. James Knibbs - b abt 1799 Oxford ENG, m Mary MORRIS 1 Dec 1830 in Hobart TAS AUS. (Mary abt 1801 - 12 Jun 1843) No children found or record of his death. From "The convict Ships 1787-1868" by Charles Bateson, 1974: "Guildford" - arrived Hobart 28 Oct 1820, with 189 male convicts (1 had already been landed in Sydney). The ship was a 521 Ton transport, built at Thames in 1810, master Magnus Johnson, surgeon Hugh Walker. Sailed 14 May 1820 from Portsmouth and travelled via Sydney, taking 167 days. The ship stopped in Sydney from 30 Sep 1820 before sailing for Van Dieman's land on 10 Oct 1820. From Principal Superintendent Of Convicts Bound Indents (see sources): James Knibbs was convicted at Oxford Assizes on 21 Jul 1819 for a term of life imprisonment. His accomplices were Martin Hartwell and Thomas Lonnan and his native place was Oxford, calling labour, age 21 yrs (in 1820), height 5' 7 3/4", hair "flour", eyes hazel. 2. Richard Nibbs - transported to Australia (haven't checked details for town) in ship "Parkfield", arriving 01 Sep 1839. (Have number of the AO microfiche listing his convict Indent details if anyone wants it). Does anyone claim these three criminals? Regards, Stuart Knibbs
Does anyone have an interest in the LAUNCHBURY family from Oxfordshire/Berkshire? I found a web page this evening that tells of Cecil Launchbury, born 1895 who met Margaret Knibbs? Not quite sure what happened after they met - it didn't say. In case there is an interest, the web page I found it on is at http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=message&r=rw&p=localities.britisles.en gland.nfk.general&m=59.484 Don
Many thanx Stuart for the further info on Thomas and for these. > Two new convicts are: > > 1. James Knibbs - b abt 1799 Oxford ENG, m Mary MORRIS 1 Dec 1830 in Hobart > TAS AUS. (Mary abt 1801 - 12 Jun 1843) No children found or record of his > death. > I do have this couple in the database as follows but have not been able to trace back to Oxfordshire. As we know his accomplices, I've asked a question on the OXFORDSHIRE Rootsweb list in case any one recognises Martin HARTWELL or Thomas LONNAN as one of theirs. James KNIBBS Born c1799 Oxfordshire Baptised Died Buried Occupation Labourer transported to Tasmania Father Mother Married 1Dec1830 Hobart Mary MORRIS Born c1801 Baptised Died 12Jun1843 Hobart Buried Occupation Father Mother Children ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Richard KNIBBS Born 7Dec1834 Hobart Baptised Died Buried Occupation Thomas KNIBBS Born c1834 Tasmania Baptised Died 10Feb1834 Hobart Buried Occupation Joseph KNIBBS Born c1839 Tasmania Baptised Died 10Jan1839 Hobart Buried Occupation Joseph NIBBS Born c1842 Tasmania Baptised Died 24Mar1842 Hobart Buried Occupation Mary appears as Mary Ann in some records which could of course mean there's more than one such family. > > 2. Richard Nibbs - transported to Australia (haven't checked details for > town) in ship "Parkfield", arriving 01 Sep 1839. (Have number of the AO > microfiche listing his convict Indent details if anyone wants it). > > Again not picked up from the database. I have also noted a William NIBBS who married a Sarah RANDELL in Tasmania 1834. I had wondered if this was an earlier marriage for the swing rioter but his life seems so well documented that I don't think it can be him. I wonder who and if any connection with the other 'criminals'. bfn Alan
The PRO (Public Record Office has launched a new service - at http://www.pro-online.pro.gov.uk/ There are some documents available for downloading on-line. Included amongst these are some Wills c1850 - 1858. I tried it this morning and it works fine. I found the reference to the Will of George Langford NIBBS a descendant of the arms bearing James Langford NIBBS. To view the image cost me 3UKP which I paid by credit card. The image was available immediately and comes through in Adobe Acrobat form so you'd need that program on your computer. Now I'm off to read it! There are 2 other K/NIBB/S Wills as follows which I already knew about. Catalogue Reference: PROB 11/2232 Dept Records of the Prerogative Court of Canterbury Class Prerogative Court of Canterbury and related Probate Jurisdictions: Will Registers Piece Volume number: 8 Quire numbers: 351-400 Date: 10 May 1856 Scope: Will of Francis Knibbs , Gentleman of No 4 Maberley Place Balls Pond Islington , Middlesex Image Contains: 1 will of many for the catalogue reference Catalogue Reference: PROB 11/2255 Dept Records of the Prerogative Court of Canterbury Class Prerogative Court of Canterbury and related Probate Jurisdictions: Will Registers Piece Volume number: 12 Quire numbers: 551-600 Date: 23 July 1857 Scope: Will of Elizabeth Knibb , Spinster of Horningsham , Wiltshire Image Contains: 1 will of many for the catalogue reference Good hunting bfn Alan
In a message dated 25/11/01 17:46:16 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > William Who? > > Well not from Eastern parts as my typo error in heading might suggest. Sorry also about that and the gap towards the end of my message of Friday where I set out the NIBBS deaths from the Sydney Morning Telegraph. I was in a hurry and went back to dowload the single one that I had found previously but then discovered a clutch more which I hastily inserted. As for William, are you suggesting there is a NIBBS contender and if so remember he would have to be a Briton? Otherwise William KNIBB is the one I mentioned by name - the missionary and emancipationist as per <A HREF="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~knibbetc/">THE K/NIBB/S ONE NAME STUDY</A> bfn Alan
William Who? Brian Nibbs >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [K/NIBB/S] The Greateast >Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:47:35 EST > >The BBC are broadcasting an item at the present time inviting viewers to >nominate 'The Greatest Briton Ever'. > >I've nominated 'William KNIBB' in the hope they'll get back to me and say >William WHO and that would be the intro for me to give them a spiel about >producing a programme to celebrate the bicentenary of his birth in 2003. > >Perhaps a few of you could do the same by simply telephoning 08700 100 870. >Up to you whether you leave your name and address or not. > >bfn > >Alan > > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. Go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
The BBC are broadcasting an item at the present time inviting viewers to nominate 'The Greatest Briton Ever'. I've nominated 'William KNIBB' in the hope they'll get back to me and say William WHO and that would be the intro for me to give them a spiel about producing a programme to celebrate the bicentenary of his birth in 2003. Perhaps a few of you could do the same by simply telephoning 08700 100 870. Up to you whether you leave your name and address or not. bfn Alan
I came across the following Knibbs in an article related to the Cheshire mining community. From what I can make out, it relates to The Vernon Lodge at Poynton in Cheshire which was a Friendly Society formed in 1830 with the objectives of "insuring sums of money for the burial of deceased members and their wives, rendering assistance to members when sick, assisting members travelling in search of employment and granting temporary relief to members in distressed circumstances?' Following is a description from the Stockport Advertiser in August 1894 of the anniversary of the Loyal Vernon Lodge- "There was a muster of about 120 members, at the headquarters, the Vernon Arms. Headed by the excellent village band, the members walked through the village, and returning attended a short service held by the Rev. T. Bridges, who delivered an appropriate address. Leaving the church the procession was continued through the other parts of the village up Park Lane, by Newtown, Ward's End, Dickens Lane to the Vernon Arms, where a capital dinner was provided. Bro. J. Hallam was called to preside, Mr. H. Peover was the pianist, and Mr. H. Knibbs, harpist. After a loyal toast and toasts to the Manchester Unity, Marple District and Vernon Lodge the secretary responded, showing that the gain for the past eight months had been £49 8s 10 1/2d. Nine new members had been admitted and one death had taken place .... Songs, recitations, banjo and harp selections varied the programme." There is not other mention of Mr H Knibbs other than him being the harpist at the above event. Full details are available at http://www.brocross.com/poynton/book11.htm Don
.....a week mostly spent tracing KNIBBS and now awaiting feedback. Re your latest, Don, my sister lives in Poynton, so perhaps I'll ask her to do some local reserach for us. As threatened, those K/NIBB/S placenames have been added to the website. NIBBS beats others hands down but would you want a Knob named after you? And also a reference to the Thomas KNIBBS who we learned about through Stuart KNIBBS. When it comes to deaths recorded in the Sydney Morning Telegraph, more KNIBBs and NIBBS than the unplaced KNIBBS. Here they are - KNIBB,Arthur 11APR1990 80 late of San Remo (pub.14APR1990) KNIBB,Beverley Anne 10SEP1992 50 late of Ourimbah (pub.14SEP1992) KNIBB,Beverley Anne 10SEP1992 50 late of Ourimbah (pub.15SEP1992) KNIBB,Charles Thomas 26JUL1996 (pub.30JUL1996) KNIBB,Edna May 27MAR1986 74 late of San Remo (pub.29MAR1986) KNIBB,Enid Myra 28JAN1989 late of Beverly Hills (pub.30JAN1989) KNIBB,George Henry 08JUL1989 21 (pub.10JUL1989) KNIBB,Robert Arthur 21NOV1996 77 late of Ryde (pub.22NOV1996) KNIBB,Rodney Arthur Gilbert 07DEC1990 late of Tumbi Umbi (pub.10DEC1990) KNIBBS,Beverley Ka 29JAN2000 63 late of North Ryde (pub.31JAN2000) KNIBBS,Marjorie 16JUL1987 late of Woy Woy (pub.18JUL1987) KNIBBS,Norman Boyce 07JUL2001 late of Maroubra (pub.12JUL2001) KNIBBS,Therese Amy 31AUG1999 late of Maroubra (pub.02SEP1999) NIBBS,Daphne Irene 22SEP1998 82 at Grosvenor Nursing Home, Wentworth Falls (pub.23SEP1998) NIBBS,Ethel Florence 29MAR1991 87(pub.30MAR1991) NIBBS,George William 26JUL1996 85 formerly of Lawson (pub.27JUL1996) NIBBS,Irene Grace 11AUG1988 81 (pub.13AUG1988) NIBBS,William George Philip 22NOV1991 77 late of Bradbury (pub.23NOV1991) NIBBS, bfn Alan Host at <A HREF="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~knibbetc/">THE K/NIBB/S ONE NAME STUDY</A>
Alan, There is a Knibbs Street in Turner, ACT (Australian Capital territory), Australia that my father thinks is named after my grandfather Layton. In checking it out on the web, I found there is a place names department in the ACT government and Ive asked them what they know about the origin. Will advise when they get back to me. Cheers, Stuart Knibbs >I spotted this on the web earlier today. > >Knibb Rd. Pascoag, RI, USA > >Does anyone else know of K/NIBB/S geographic locations and who they are named >after? I could put a collection on the website. > >bfn > >Alan > > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. Go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > > >
[email protected] wrote: >Does anyone else know of K/NIBB/S geographic locations and who they are named >after? I could put a collection on the website. I tried the handy USGS (United Staes Geological Survey) site http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnis/web_query.gnis_web_query_form (It helps if you check the "query variant names" button.) For "Knibb" there was one match, a school in Oregon County, MO formerly named "Knibbin Ridge School". For "Nibb" there are 10 entries... maybe other list members would know if they relate to people. -- *Marsha L. Ensminger __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with [email protected]! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/
In a message dated 19/11/01 16:17:24 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > RI could stand for the State of Rhode Island..Probably the Road is named > after an American Indian tribe originally in that area Yes, I'm sure it's Rhode Island but have seen one or more KNIBBs at Pascoag if I recall correctly from the recesses of my mind. bfn Alan
I spotted this on the web earlier today. Knibb Rd. Pascoag, RI, USA Does anyone else know of K/NIBB/S geographic locations and who they are named after? I could put a collection on the website. bfn Alan
Although I've not received formal notification, I note from other lists that the Rootsweb server was down for about 12 hours over the weekend at that all postings during that period were 'lost'. So if you sent a list message which hasn't 'come back to you' as a list member, please re-post. bfn Alan List Administrator
RI could stand for the State of Rhode Island..Probably the Road is named after an American Indian tribe originally in that area..bfn Graham ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 10:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [K/NIBB/S] Named Locations I spotted this on the web earlier today. Knibb Rd. Pascoag, RI, USA Does anyone else know of K/NIBB/S geographic locations and who they are named after? I could put a collection on the website. bfn Alan ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
In a message dated 17/11/01 18:22:37 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > The marriage of George is ref 3a1159 Buckingham district. I looked at the > name Gilbert for the same quarter but did not find an entry. > > Richard Much obliged. Might still be the one we want or the earlier marriage. To be pursued. bfn Alan
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Hi Alan The marriage of George is ref 3a1159 Buckingham district. I looked at the name Gilbert for the same quarter but did not find an entry. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 10:01 PM Subject: [K/NIBB/S] KNIBBS/GILBERT > Can we help a list member, please? > > This might be a wild goose chase but I have wondered whether Cecil Gilbert > KNIBBS was named with his mother's maiden name in mind. His father was > George KNIBBS and there are 2 possible marriages for him. > > They boil down to George KNIBBS 02qtr1893 Buckingham District or 02qtr 1885 > Newport Pagnell District. The 1893 looks the better bet. Could SKS do a > lookup in the relevant GRO register to see if a GILBERT married in the same > quarter ie 02qtr 1893 with the same reference as for George. If so we will > obtain the marriage certificate which will show both fathers' names and > occupations and importantly for our task the couple's ages. > > bfn > > Alan > > > > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > >