Cathy, That's great news. I'll reply more fully off list, but John who appears under "saddler" is the same John as the one you referred to. He married twice. He was listed as a Harness Maker at his first marriage and a Saddler at the second. When I entered the data, I hadn't at that time recognised that both marriages were his, hence the confusion. John was baptised at Woodstock on 23 Oct 1796, the son of John KNIBBS & Rachel GRIMAT/GRIMET/GRIMMET. I am extremely interested in the marriage of John senior to Rachel as I have a feeling that this John is the son of Richard KNIBBS & Sarah Bignell of Deddington - no proof yet! If that is the case, then it appears that you and I have a connection which we've both believed for quite some time. Thanks for bringing your connection with the data to my attention! If this keeps up, I'll have no Unplaced Knibbs left. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 4:09 AM Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Unplaced K/NIBB/S > Don-- I think my Knibbs are in your "Not my Knibbs" section...I just looked > to see what you had. First I checked "saddler" and the John Knibbs there is > not the right one. They I tried just the index to names and checked John > Knibbs -- he has a daughter Ann born before01 May 1829 (my Ann was born 22 > Mar 1829) and a son John (who I had pegged between 1826 and 1829 from other > references I have to him). You may not remember, but Alan helped me get the > marriage certificate of Ann Knibbs and George Brashier. The marriage > certificate was from Lambeth and listed Ann's father as John Knibbs - > Harness Maker. That was 15 Sep 1856. > > To add to your information...Ann died 04 Dec 1804 in Seneca Township, > Crawford Co., WI. I have quite a lot of information about her and her > children. Her brother John came to WI and was married in 1858. He was a > circuit rider Methodist Minister. Lots of interesting information about him > too -- and he had 3 daughters -- but I have found nothing of the > daughters -- except that one of them lived in North Dakota and Ann's > daughter (my g-g-grandmother) corresponded with her up to g-ma's death) > > Would you like the information I have? > > I'm very excited. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Knibbs" <[email protected]> > > > I've just been busy adding more data to my Unplaced K/NIBB/S web pages. By > > "Unplaced K/NIBB/S" I mean K/NIBB/S individuals I've come across in my > > research, but with no apparent connection into my own particular line of > > > The data I've added today comes from the Parish Registers for Oxford All > > Saints, and Woodstock, Oxfordshire. Previous data is from all the other > > Parish Register transcripts that I have. > > > > > If anyone can think of a way to make the data more useful, or a better way > > to present it, please let me know. Also, if anyone lays claim to anyone > > listed on the Unplaced K/NIBB/S pages, I'd also welcome a quick email. > > Thanks! > > > > Don > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I hope you didn't delete it Alan, this is a hoax and it's an essential file!!! Read this ... http://www.europe.f-secure.com/hoaxes/sulfnbk.shtml Rob. ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, 17 December, 2001 6:18 am Subject: [K/NIBB/S] Virus alert I don't encourage general virus warnings on the mailing list as we are about K/NIBB/S not viruses. However, I've just received this warning and when I checked my system I found the offending file, so I feel I must ask you all to check to see that you don't have it and to take the appropriate action as described. bfn Alan COPY Friends, I have just received a warning that I and others on my address list have been infected with a VIRUS, I have taken the appropriate action after finding that my system had the bug. You will wish to do the same. I have noted verbatum the message I received and the actions that are necessary. PLEASE TREAT THIS SERIOUSLY. 'I have just received an e-mail that said I might have a VIRUS that is spread from address book to address book. It is apparently undetectable by Norton or McAfee. It remains dormant for about 14 days then activates and wipes out the hard drive data. When I checked my hard drive I did find the virus and successfully deleted it. (It emanated from friends in Canada via friends in South Africa) Since I have you in my address book you may well have the virus. The directions for removing it are quite easy to follow. 1. Go to "start" - then to find or search (depending on your computer) 2. In the "search for files or folders" type in sulfnbk.exe this is the virus 3. in the "look in" make sure you are searching Drive C. 4. Hit "search" button (... or find) 5. If this file shows up ( it is a ugly blackish icon that will have the name "sulfnbk.exe" DO NOT OPEN IT !!!!!! 6. RIGHT click on the file- go down to delete and left click 7. It will ask you if you want to send it to the recycle bin .......... say yes 8. Go to your desktop (where all your icons are and double click on the recycle bin 9. Right click on the sulfnbk.exe and delete again - or empty the bin IF YOU FIND IT SEND THIS E MAIL TO ALL IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK BECAUSE THAT IS HOW IT IS TRANSFERRED. WE COULD ALL DO WITHOUT THIS, RIGHT? BUT I HAVE ACTED IMMEDIATELY AND SUGGEST YOU DO TOO. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.307 / Virus Database: 168 - Release Date: 12.11.01

I checked my files and I had it. Please check all of YOURS whether I. E-mailed you or not. Better to safe then sorry. Ana

I don't encourage general virus warnings on the mailing list as we are about K/NIBB/S not viruses. However, I've just received this warning and when I checked my system I found the offending file, so I feel I must ask you all to check to see that you don't have it and to take the appropriate action as described. bfn Alan COPY Friends, I have just received a warning that I and others on my address list have been infected with a VIRUS, I have taken the appropriate action after finding that my system had the bug. You will wish to do the same. I have noted verbatum the message I received and the actions that are necessary. PLEASE TREAT THIS SERIOUSLY. 'I have just received an e-mail that said I might have a VIRUS that is spread from address book to address book. It is apparently undetectable by Norton or McAfee. It remains dormant for about 14 days then activates and wipes out the hard drive data. When I checked my hard drive I did find the virus and successfully deleted it. (It emanated from friends in Canada via friends in South Africa) Since I have you in my address book you may well have the virus. The directions for removing it are quite easy to follow. 1. Go to "start" - then to find or search (depending on your computer) 2. In the "search for files or folders" type in sulfnbk.exe this is the virus 3. in the "look in" make sure you are searching Drive C. 4. Hit "search" button (... or find) 5. If this file shows up ( it is a ugly blackish icon that will have the name "sulfnbk.exe" DO NOT OPEN IT !!!!!! 6. RIGHT click on the file- go down to delete and left click 7. It will ask you if you want to send it to the recycle bin .......... say yes 8. Go to your desktop (where all your icons are and double click on the recycle bin 9. Right click on the sulfnbk.exe and delete again - or empty the bin IF YOU FIND IT SEND THIS E MAIL TO ALL IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK BECAUSE THAT IS HOW IT IS TRANSFERRED. WE COULD ALL DO WITHOUT THIS, RIGHT? BUT I HAVE ACTED IMMEDIATELY AND SUGGEST YOU DO TOO.

Don-- I think my Knibbs are in your "Not my Knibbs" section...I just looked to see what you had. First I checked "saddler" and the John Knibbs there is not the right one. They I tried just the index to names and checked John Knibbs -- he has a daughter Ann born before01 May 1829 (my Ann was born 22 Mar 1829) and a son John (who I had pegged between 1826 and 1829 from other references I have to him). You may not remember, but Alan helped me get the marriage certificate of Ann Knibbs and George Brashier. The marriage certificate was from Lambeth and listed Ann's father as John Knibbs - Harness Maker. That was 15 Sep 1856. To add to your information...Ann died 04 Dec 1804 in Seneca Township, Crawford Co., WI. I have quite a lot of information about her and her children. Her brother John came to WI and was married in 1858. He was a circuit rider Methodist Minister. Lots of interesting information about him too -- and he had 3 daughters -- but I have found nothing of the daughters -- except that one of them lived in North Dakota and Ann's daughter (my g-g-grandmother) corresponded with her up to g-ma's death) Would you like the information I have? I'm very excited. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Knibbs" <[email protected]> > I've just been busy adding more data to my Unplaced K/NIBB/S web pages. By > "Unplaced K/NIBB/S" I mean K/NIBB/S individuals I've come across in my > research, but with no apparent connection into my own particular line of > The data I've added today comes from the Parish Registers for Oxford All > Saints, and Woodstock, Oxfordshire. Previous data is from all the other > Parish Register transcripts that I have. > > > If anyone can think of a way to make the data more useful, or a better way > to present it, please let me know. Also, if anyone lays claim to anyone > listed on the Unplaced K/NIBB/S pages, I'd also welcome a quick email. > Thanks! > > Don > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I recently wrote to Alf Fantham (who some of you may know) concerning some new information we found at Woodstock. Alf is researching his FANTHAM family. Back in 1830, Samuel GRIFFITHS, who's one of Alf's ancestors, married a Frances KNIBBS who was born in Yardley, Worcestershire. Alf had told me of Frances and that she was the daughter of Thomas KNIBBS and Harriet Unknown. This Thomas was the son of John KNIBBS and Elizabeth HOLLIER, so connected to my line. We discovered just last week in the Woodstock PR transcript that Harriet Unknown was in fact Harriet PRATLEY, and that this was the second marriage of Thomas KNIBBS. Anyway, to cut a long story short, Alf replied with: "Again to you, yours and everyone you talk to with the KNIBBS name, Happy Christmas and a successful New Year" So, I'm passing it on. Don

Thanks for the greetings, Alan - celebrated the birthday last night, along with the marriage of my oldest daughter; she got married yesterday afternoon - a second marriage, of course, but important nonetheless. She still plans on retaining Knibb as part of her name as I have. Merry Christmas to you and to all - Jo :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 12:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [K/NIBB/S] Ho ho. Ho... ....lidays are here again! To get into the Christmas spirit, I'll start with a pizza order request that Harriet took at work last night, 'deep pan, crisp and even'. No snow here though, as in the carol - indeed we've still got some leaves on one tree in the garden. >From a warmer climate still, Dr Wayne KNIBB in Australia who I found by surfing the net, has given me Knibb's Road to add to our list. Named after after Len and Mary Knibb in Stanthorpe (in fact just outside Stanthorpe, Queensland in a district called Whisky Gully). He tells me that these KNIBB's were orchardists and may have produced some wine but no whisky! What do you think of that, Muriel? He has promised to fill out his/your tree by speaking to all relatives at the next family gathering. Don's transcription of the Woodstock KNIBBS has helped solve many a mystery for Trevor KNIBBS. I've told Don that a number of the 'unplaced' K/NIBB/S are allocated to trees [some unverified and unclaimed] within the database. I do try to inform everyone directly who has an interest in a 'found' name from a parish register but I'm all too conscious that I may slip up on occasions. His unplaced entries, coming from the Oxfordshire parish registers as they do, don't contain conjectures and will help anyone researching a particular name, occupation or location. The entries generally pre-date the K/NIBB/S GRO lists that are available from me, so should prove to be jolly useful. Some progress if not success for Jim. Remember we were looking for the correct George KNIBBS marriage at Brackley. Well, the purchase of Cecil Gilbert's birth certificate has revealed that his real father was then called by another name. Who thinks this game's easy? Graham NIBBS from the States has sent me a couple of old letters from family containing details about his ancestors illustrious lives. All very nautical, with service on numerous ships both in peacetime and at war. Representatives seem to have been present at every major Canal opening in the last century eg Suez, Kiel and the Manchester Ship. There were royal connections to which should go down well with the List's very own harbourmaster, Brian NIBBS, who met Prince Philip this year. Marsha has sent me some more US census extractions which will help enormously in piecing together the transatlantic K/NIBB/S. Audrey has told me about a KNIBBS Road in Billingborough, Lincolnshire where a number of KNIBBS lived, Unfortunately for her, Audrey is the latest to have caught a computer virus. As we are a relatively small list, I don't unsubscribe anyone automatically for such [because no one will be infected via the list] but I do need to remind you not to open any email attachment nor click on any html coding in an email that you are not 100% sure about. At the present time be very wary of anything from a list member [or anyone else] whose address line begins with an underscore [ _ ] or if an attachment has more than one dot [ . ] in its title. And finally, many thanx for all Christmas cards and greetings and may I in turn wish everyone a truly Happy Christmas. We have family visiting and I guess my time on this machine may be somewhat rationed from the end of the week, so peace should reign. Now, I'm going to enact an annual tradition and watch the film 'Wonderful Life' which I love for its sheer escapism. What do you do? bfn Alan PS I always feel sorry for those with Birthdays at this time of the year - for a start the selection of cards in the shops is greatly reduced and I reckon that they miss out on separate presents. So a special greeting to Jo HEAD whose birthday it is on the 18th. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

....lidays are here again! To get into the Christmas spirit, I'll start with a pizza order request that Harriet took at work last night, 'deep pan, crisp and even'. No snow here though, as in the carol - indeed we've still got some leaves on one tree in the garden. >From a warmer climate still, Dr Wayne KNIBB in Australia who I found by surfing the net, has given me Knibb's Road to add to our list. Named after after Len and Mary Knibb in Stanthorpe (in fact just outside Stanthorpe, Queensland in a district called Whisky Gully). He tells me that these KNIBB's were orchardists and may have produced some wine but no whisky! What do you think of that, Muriel? He has promised to fill out his/your tree by speaking to all relatives at the next family gathering. Don's transcription of the Woodstock KNIBBS has helped solve many a mystery for Trevor KNIBBS. I've told Don that a number of the 'unplaced' K/NIBB/S are allocated to trees [some unverified and unclaimed] within the database. I do try to inform everyone directly who has an interest in a 'found' name from a parish register but I'm all too conscious that I may slip up on occasions. His unplaced entries, coming from the Oxfordshire parish registers as they do, don't contain conjectures and will help anyone researching a particular name, occupation or location. The entries generally pre-date the K/NIBB/S GRO lists that are available from me, so should prove to be jolly useful. Some progress if not success for Jim. Remember we were looking for the correct George KNIBBS marriage at Brackley. Well, the purchase of Cecil Gilbert's birth certificate has revealed that his real father was then called by another name. Who thinks this game's easy? Graham NIBBS from the States has sent me a couple of old letters from family containing details about his ancestors illustrious lives. All very nautical, with service on numerous ships both in peacetime and at war. Representatives seem to have been present at every major Canal opening in the last century eg Suez, Kiel and the Manchester Ship. There were royal connections to which should go down well with the List's very own harbourmaster, Brian NIBBS, who met Prince Philip this year. Marsha has sent me some more US census extractions which will help enormously in piecing together the transatlantic K/NIBB/S. Audrey has told me about a KNIBBS Road in Billingborough, Lincolnshire where a number of KNIBBS lived, Unfortunately for her, Audrey is the latest to have caught a computer virus. As we are a relatively small list, I don't unsubscribe anyone automatically for such [because no one will be infected via the list] but I do need to remind you not to open any email attachment nor click on any html coding in an email that you are not 100% sure about. At the present time be very wary of anything from a list member [or anyone else] whose address line begins with an underscore [ _ ] or if an attachment has more than one dot [ . ] in its title. And finally, many thanx for all Christmas cards and greetings and may I in turn wish everyone a truly Happy Christmas. We have family visiting and I guess my time on this machine may be somewhat rationed from the end of the week, so peace should reign. Now, I'm going to enact an annual tradition and watch the film 'Wonderful Life' which I love for its sheer escapism. What do you do? bfn Alan PS I always feel sorry for those with Birthdays at this time of the year - for a start the selection of cards in the shops is greatly reduced and I reckon that they miss out on separate presents. So a special greeting to Jo HEAD whose birthday it is on the 18th.

I've just been busy adding more data to my Unplaced K/NIBB/S web pages. By "Unplaced K/NIBB/S" I mean K/NIBB/S individuals I've come across in my research, but with no apparent connection into my own particular line of Knibbs.The purpose of the Unplaced K/NIBB/S web page is to share this information with everyone in the hope that someone else can lay claim to them. All of the information has come from the various Parish Registers of the Parishes frequented by my ancestors, so I have good documentation to support it. The data I've added today comes from the Parish Registers for Oxford All Saints, and Woodstock, Oxfordshire. Previous data is from all the other Parish Register transcripts that I have. I've struggled to think of how best to present the data and have come up with several variations which I hope will satisfy the various angles that people may wish to view it.There are five different ways in which it can be viewed: 1. By Location - a list of events (births, baptisms, marriages, baptisms) indexed by the location in which they occurred. 2. By Date - a list of events (births, baptisms, marriages, baptisms) indexed by the year/date on which they occurred. 3. By Occupation - if you know the trade followed by you ancestors, it's sometimes useful to look for others in the same trade. 4. By Name - an alphabetical list indexed by Surname/Christian name of everyone in the Unplaced K/NIBB/S database 5. By Surname - often useful if you know the surname of a spouse. Each event listed in any of the above has a hyperlink back to a family file to show any connected siblings, parents, or children. To access the data, go to my index page at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~knibbs/ and click on "? NOT My Knibbs - Who are they?". This will take you to a new Index page offering the five options described above. If anyone can think of a way to make the data more useful, or a better way to present it, please let me know. Also, if anyone lays claim to anyone listed on the Unplaced K/NIBB/S pages, I'd also welcome a quick email. Thanks! Don

Answer: Francis KNIBBS. Francis KNIBBS married Mary Ann Soden in Steeple Barton, Oxfordshire on 7 May 1818. There is no doubt about that. However, due to the good detective work of Alan and Bob Knibbs, there is now overwhelming evidence that it was not the Francis KNIBBS as identified in my database! Unfortunately, there is still insufficient evidence to prove 100% which Francis Knibbs it really was. But, we're pretty sure. It was definitely NOT Francis, baptised 2 Aug 1767 at Deddington, Oxfordshire, the son of Richard Knibbs & Sarah Bignell. We know a lot about Mary Ann's husband Francis. We have a copy of his will and know when and where he died in 1856. Alan obtained a copy of his death certificate for me, and that shows that he was just 61 years of age when he died, making his year of birth 1794/5. We are now fairly confident that the Francis KNIBBS who married Mary Ann Soden, was baptised at Deddington on 8 Sep 1793, the son of Thomas KNIBBS and Hannah WELLS. This younger Francis was the 1st cousin, once removed, of the older Francis. Whilst this line of Knibbs still remains intact, some of the relationships will have changed slightly For those who have a direct interest in this line of Knibbs, my web pages now contain this amendment starting at Mary Ann SODEN's page at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~knibbs/fam112.html Don

Does anyone know of any good web sites for searching for emigrants from the UK to Canada, please? Don

Hi All I would like to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year and thank everyone for their tireless efforts in bringing all our K/Nibb/s together. Best wishes Joyce

Don. According to familysearch.com, Charles Knibbs was born in Devon, Feb. 21, 1821. He was married in New York in 1852. He died in Verona, Grundy County, Illinois, 23 Sep. 1886. Gordon Knibbs in Colorado does not know the names of his two brothers. Gordon is the son of John D. Knibbs the brother of Charles Cordon Knibbs, the sons of Charles Knibbs. Ritchie Thomas

In a message dated 11/12/01 16:13:29 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Does anyone know of any good web sites for searching for emigrants from the > UK to Canada, please? > > This is a 'lift' from one mailing list just last week. I can't say that I went further than the opening page because an unwanted pop-up screen appeared and that was enough to put me off. See if you fare better. bfn Alan ''This is an excellent site for anyone with ancestors who emigrated to the Canada or the US:'' http://www.freegenealogylookups.com/

I haven't came up with a Charles yet. But I will continue to keep my eyes opened.

Chris > The George you mention i am sure is related to my wifes knibbs line . Can > you > explain the connection with Joyce ? Joyce's George is a different person to the one who married Hannah NIND and to the one Jim is seeking. > > George definitely married Hannah Nind , by i am not aware of any other s. > > I can confidently say, following my recent research, that your George married 3 times as follows - George KNIBBS Born 30Mar1861 Whitfield Northants Baptised 9Jun1861 Brackley Died 4Qtr1934 Buried Occupation Brewery Drayman Father Joseph KNIBBS Mother Dorcas COLEMAN Married [1] 11May1884 Brackley Northants Hannah NIND Born 18Sep1858 Brackley Baptised Died 4Qtr1893 Buried Occupation Domestic Servant Holbeach 1881 Married [2] 14Jun1894 Croughton Parish Church Sarah ALLEN Born 10Jun1860 Croughton Northants Baptised Died 6Feb1895 Buried Occupation Married [3] 7Dec1895 Brackley District Sylvia Ann ROBERTS Born c1867 Baptised Died 4Qtr1933 Buried Occupation I can't be as sure re all children [many of them] but will send what I have direct for you to mull over. bfn Alan

[This from Don which didn't reach the list as posted from an unsubscribed email address] Ritchie, Can you remind me please of the names and dates for Charles and his two brothers - I'm afraid I'm not as organised as Alan so although I'm sure you've told me before, I'm not sure where I'd find it. If it's Cornelius senior that you refer to, we have a pretty clear picture of this little family unit. Cornelius was about 6 years old when his parents emigrated to New York. His oldest sibling was a James Knibbs, born in 1827, shortly after his parents married. I'm wondering if perhaps Ana's research in New York may have turned up any Charles or others that she can't place. Kim Knibbs that we've just found isn't on the list yet but she's researching Buffalo New York, so may have turned up some there. If you can give me the names and ages I'll speak with Kim off list. Don

Alan The George you mention i am sure is related to my wifes knibbs line . Can you explain the connection with Joyce ? George definitely married Hannah Nind , by i am not aware of any other s. Congrats on the award well done . Best Regards Chris Riley

Don. I wonder if Cornelius Knibbs has any connection with my Charles Knibbs and his two brothers, that, according to Gordon Knibbs came to New York. One staying in New York, one going to Canada, and my Charles to Wisconsin. Cornelius would appear to be much younger than Charles. Ritchie Thomas

Don Well done! And seems scope for more finds lookind at USSSDI and elsewhere. > I cannot believe my luck!. The Jennifer Knibbs I referred to in a previous > email (a Knibbs by marriage) has put me in touch with her sister-in-law Kim > Knibbs also in New York, who, by strange coincidence, I had 'spoken' to well > over a year ago. > Kim is the > A daughter of Ronald Andrew? > .... *2nd Wife of Raymond Leon Knibbs: > ........ +Lorreta Bauer m: April 26, 1921 in Buffalo, New York, USA > ....... 4 Robert Knibbs > ....... 4 Joan Fay Knibbs > ....... 4 Donna Rose Knibbs > ....... 4 Ronald Andrew Knibbs > ....... 4 Unknown Twin Knibbs > ....... 4 Unknown Twin Knibbs > ....... 4 Unknown Knibbs > .... *3rd Wife of Raymond Leon Knibbs: > ........ +Anna Hampson m: October 27, 1922 in Buffalo, New York, USA > .... *4th Wife of Raymond Leon Knibbs: > ........ +Unknown m: August 13, 1927 in Fairport, New York, USA > Perhaps you can just check these marriage dates because 2nd and 3rd don't tally with number of children as shown. > I believe James J Knibbs also had a sister Elizabeth which Kim hasn't > mentioned, so hopefully, I will be able to feed some information back to her > Yes, she was on the census. bfn Alan