This one may be familiar to most of you, but it's new to me: http://www.londonancestor.com [email protected] wrote: >While we are waiting for the 1901 Census to be fully up [it's apparently now >live at the Public Record Office, the Family Research Centre and a few >libraries around the UK] has anyone anything new K/NIBB/S for us to read or >to work on? > >bfn > >Alan > >PS The libraries mentioned in a notice I read included Liverpool, Norfolk and >Lincolnshire. > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > -- *Marsha L. Ensminger __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with [email protected]! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

While we are waiting for the 1901 Census to be fully up [it's apparently now live at the Public Record Office, the Family Research Centre and a few libraries around the UK] has anyone anything new K/NIBB/S for us to read or to work on? bfn Alan PS The libraries mentioned in a notice I read included Liverpool, Norfolk and Lincolnshire.

Some listers with Deddington ancestry may find this of interest. ''Transcribed from the Universal British Directory of Trade, Commerce and Manufactory, volume 2. Published 1791-6 by Jack STEER. DEDDINGTON, OXFORDSHIRE DEDDINGTON is an ancient market-town. It was formerly a corporation town, and sent members to parliament in the reigns of Edward I. and III. but never since; yet it is a pretty large town. It is distant from London seventy-two miles, and from Oxford sixteen. It has a market weekly on Saturdays; and three fairs in a year, viz.. August 21, October 21, and November 22. Here is a large well-built church, which has a strong tower, and in it a ring of six new well-toned bells. The town is governed by a bailiff chosen annually. In the neighbourhood are two noted springs celebrated for their medicinal virtues. One of them is of a strong sulphurous scent, highly impregnated with a vitrioline salt. In the digging of it was found the stone called pyrites argenteus, and a bed of belemnites, commonly called thunder-bolts; and out of it hath since been taken the silver marcasite, of a glistening coheir. It is likewise famous for the goodness of its malt liquor; whence it is called "Drunken Deddington." And in Charles the Second' s reign, according to a traditionary tale, a few old women, lovers of the stupefying juice, pawned the bells of the tower to enable them to enjoy the Bacchanalian rites with less restraint; a story fraught with improbability, but yet received as true by the common people. There is a very pleasant wharf called Botany-bay, distant a mile and a half from this place, situate on the canal from Birmingham to Oxford, which is of great advantage to the inhabitants by reducing the price of coals. There is a turnpike-road through this place from Oxford to Banbury. It is said here was formerly a castle, to which the earl of Pembroke conducted Piers DE GAVESTON, and there abandoned him to the fury of his enemies. Here is charity-school. The post goes through every day from Woodstock to Banbury. The principal inns are, the King's Arms, which is the post-office, kept by John WILLIAMS; and the Three Tuns, kept by Thomas WILLIAMS. The following it a list of the principal inhabitants: GENTRY &C. CHURCHILL Bartholomew, Esq. HARRIS Edward, Gent. (F.) MILLS Moses, Gent. ORDWAY Anthony, Gent. PARSONS Mr. Nathaniel, (F.) CLERGY. FAULKNER Rev. Mr. PHYSIC. GRIFFIN John, Apothecary ORDERWAY W. Apothecary LAW. APPLETREE William, Attorney CHURCHILL Samuel, Attorney FIDJIN Thomas, Attorney TRADERS, &C ALLIN John, Miller BETTS John, Collar maker BULLER Soloman, Taylor BUSBY John, Millwright BUTCHER John, (F.) Glazier BUTLER John, Butcher CASTLE Richard, (F.) Gamekeeper CHILLINGWORTH Wm., Stucco plasterer CHURCHILL Henry, Grocer CHURCHILL John, (F.) Farmer CHURCHILL Thomas, (F.) Baker COLES Job, (F.) Farmer and Bailiff DEAN John, (F.) Farmer EMBERLIN John (F.) Paper maker FARDON John, Watch maker FARDON Thomas, Ironmonger and watch-maker FRANKLIN Robert, wheelwright FRENCH Edmund, (F.) Innkeeper and Cooper GEORGE Thomas, Maltster GOODMAN George, Maltster HAYNES John, Baker HITCHMAN John, Mercer HOPCRAFT John, Mason HOPCRAFT William, Mason HUDSON Thomas, (F.) Mercer JARVIS Nathaniel, Joiner JEWEL William, Horse-dealer KILLBY Robert, Baker KNIBBS Jeremiah, Collar-maker KNIBBS Richard, Sadler KNIBBS Thomas, Girt-weaver KNOWLES Edward, Ironmonger LAMBERT Philip, Cordwainer MALINS Samuel, (F.) Farmer MANNING Edward, Wheelwright MANNING Philip, (F.) Slater MASON William, Blacksmith MABERLY William, Sieve-maker MONTIN John, Peruke-maker ORDWAY Philip, (F.) Baker RICHARDSON Richard, Mercer ROBINSON John, Taylor ROBINSON William Buller, Taylor SKILLMAN William, School-master SLATOR Richard, Baker SOUTH William, Blacksmith STILGORE Henry, Horse dealer STILGORE Nathaniel, (F.) Farmer STRONG Nicholas, Wheelwright WESTCOTT William, (F.) Farmer and Horse-dealer WHETTON John, (F.) Gardener WILLIAMS Mary, Shopkeeper WILLIAMS William, Cooper WRETTON Thomas, Cordwainer WYNN John, Taylor The following gentlemen have seats m the vicinity of Deddington, viz. William Ralph CARTWRIGHT, Esq. at Ayno, distant three miles East. - The Duke of Buccleuch, at Adderbury, three miles North. - William DRAPER, Esq. at Nether Worton, two miles South-west. - Madam HEYWOOD at Leddell, and at Sandford, both distant three miles South-west; at the former is also the seat of William TAYLOR, Esq. and at the latter, that of James TAYLOR, Esq. - Oldfield BOWLES, Esq. at North Aston, two; Francis PAGE, Esq. at Middle Aston, three; and Edward TAYLOR, Esq. at Steeple Aston, distant four miles; each of them in a Southern direction. The original was sold by Champante and Whitrow, Jewry Street, Aldgate. It is now available on CD from Archive Books. Only changes (I hope) from the original are that the surnames are now in capitals and the archaic s replaced.'' bfn Alan

You will be aware that there is an item about William NIBBS, a swing rioter, on the website. He was transported from England to Tasmania. In conversation with a fellow member at my snooker club, who had just returned from a holiday in the antipodes, he mentioned this book. He lent me his copy and I really would like to commend it to all, particularly if your interests extend to historical novels, seafaring, transportation, missionary work, native communities and last but not least Tasmania. In any event it's such a jolly good 'read'. bfn Alan 'English Passengers' by Matthew KNEALE ISBN 0 - 140 - 28521 - 0 Winner of the 2000 Whitbread Book of the Year.

Lesley Hester isn't a list member but I'll re-send her email address to you and in any event ask her to contact you direct. bfn Alan > This message is for Hester MOORE. Please contact Lesley MORGAN re Henry > KNIBBS. > >

This message is for Hester MOORE. Please contact Lesley MORGAN re Henry KNIBBS. Regards Lesley J Morgan

...from me? An anagram of 'genealogist' taken from a clue in Monday's Daily Telegraph crossword. Cute! This morning I got an update on one lineage per Michael MESSENGER with whom I had lost touch but was reunited via Sioux FENNESSY. He has extracted some death notices from the Buckinghamshire Herald which have added to my knowledge of a few families, not least, Mary, the widow of George NIBBS from Tortola. Hester MOORE has also been a font of info re KNIBB/S descended from 'her' Mary JENNINGS. I've added her name to the list of researchers on the website and made a few updates. Don KNIBBS and related researchers now account for a massive 1113 K/NIBB/S within the database which is speeding towards 15,000. Remember that I only include K/NIBB/S and their spouses, so related researchers will probably have considerably more individuals in their trees. Brian NIBBS has been contacting some NIBBS registered with friendsreunited - I had expected someone to say 'wow' to the numbers of K/NIBB/S so registered. A couple have replied to him and have dropped by the website, so I'm hoping they will 'join our club' and share their lineages with us. Meanwhile, I've been working my way through the KNIBB/S 'notes' posted on the site. Without making contact, I've continued to glean quite a lot of useful genealogical info. Oxford Ancestors [ http://www.oxfordancestors.com ] provide a couple of DNA services. It's Professor SYKES outfit. Those interested might like to visit the site and read all about the Y-line and the Seven Daughters of Eve. The charges for tests are still pretty steep but reduce with a 'bulk' order. Only £10 extra to find out if you have Viking blood in your veins. I've just returned from a blood donor session. Although I know my donations undergo a myriad of tests, they don't tell me from where I come! Just as well the Oxford Ancestors tests are of DNA not blood otherwise there could be some very perturbing 'lineages got' from me. bfn Alan Did you know? Earlier postings to the list are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/KNIBB-L/ Please follow log-on instructions when you first visit!

Cathy, I have no problem receiving from you - the problem is in the opposite direction. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: Don Knibbs Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 2:38 AM Subject: mail from Cathy Don, Are you having trouble receiving me? I thought you got some of the past messages from me -- but maybe they were just List messages. I got a message from Redlockz to try you at this address. But upon checking, this is the address I have for you so my messages directly to you should have been coming to this address. If this works, please try to reply. Cathy

Ancestry.com doesn't have any UK censuses listed among their "New UK & Ireland Collection" - yet - but one never knows what they will come up with next. If you'd like to see what they do have, try http://www.ancestry.com/search/locality/dbpage.htm?t=3257&c=3251 My ancestry membership doesn't include the UK & Ireland collection - I''m still working on getting my money's worth out of their US Census images. There's also HeritageQuest.com, who provide microfilms & CD-ROMS of various things. Again, no UK censuses yet, but who knows what they'll come up with in the future? If anyone finds a CD they're interested in, I can buy it at the member's price. Any librarians among us? Received this earlier this week: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ How your library can request trial access to HeritageQuest Online (tm) -- Online Census Records, Local and Family History ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ProQuest is moving forward with this project to mount the entire US Census, 1790-1930, images and indexes online. Initially launched in December 2000, the ProQuest Genealogy & Local History Online(tm) is changing its name to HeritageQuest Online(tm), with integrated content from both companies. As with all of their databases and indexes they will continue to display the original page from the handwritten document or published source, not just a citation. More than 25,000 published genealogies and local histories digitized, every word searchable, are already available and in 2002 they will add the entire U.S. Federal Census, 1790-1930; the entire Canadian Census; complete Freedman's Bank Records; American Revolutionary War Pension & Bounty Land Warrant Applications and obituaries from more than 150 newspapers across America. Enhanced digital images of every page and new indexing will provide every library with the most requested resources for genealogists and local historians. The collection of 25,000 published genealogies and local histories includes: family genealogies, county & town histories, church histories, maps, atlases, vital records and over 200 genealogical journals. As HeritageQuest Online(tm) grows, it will include not only the census Images and indexes, but a wide range of original documents and published materials in a digital format. New content is added weekly. Librarians can obtain more information and free online trials by contacting ProQuest sales at, 800-521-0600, ext. 3183 or 3452 or by writing [email protected] This online service is not currently available to individuals at this time; however individuals interested in more information should call 800-760-2455 or visit www.heritagequest.com. -- *Marsha L. Ensminger __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with [email protected]! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

Cathy, I'm sure you're right that it's Ann's brother John showing in the 1851 census and that Ann may have already moved to London at that time. I regret that I only have knowledge of how to get hold of things in Oxfordshire so have passed the question to the list to see if someone else knows the answer. Can anyone help Cathy with an answer to her question attached, please? Don ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: Don Knibbs Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 1:17 AM Subject: 1951 Lambeth Surrey Census Hi, Don. I'm never sure what I should be acquiring and what I should not. It seems that if John Knibbs (Ann's brother) is identified at Woodstock in 1851 and Ann seems to be missing, that perhaps she has already gone to Lambeth? How do I go about acquiring that census information? The census records that I have access to are only for the US. (I think.) Are there some CD's that I should be purchasing to contribute to the cause? Thanks for your continuing and contiuous help. Cathy

Cathy / Alan Re the last E-mails . I would be happy to research the Lambeth area census for you . Please forward any further information you have which might help. I'm not sure when I can visit the SOG again at this time but will check and advise asap. Regards Bob Knibbs London

In a message dated 12/01/02 18:11:06 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Are there some CD's that I should be purchasing to contribute to the > cause? > > Unfortunately the 1851 census for London is not on CD rom. It can be viewed on microfiche at various centres but will not be indexed. The Lambeth library or the Society of Genealogists [of which Bob is a member] may have a published index, if the local family history society have carried out that task. bfn Alan

Further to the familysearch regarding K/Nibb/s. 2. The ancesters & descendents of Theodore Harris Chester and Anna Campbell: An Honorable heritage by Betty Jean (Chester) Kiley. ***The Knibbs in the above are part of my tree. When I was putting together my book Betty Jean contacted me regarding the Knibbs' that were part of her tree. She contacted her relatives in Weyburn for info and was referred to me as I had all the information she needed. The Knibbs in this book begin with Albert A. Knibbs who married Olive Wilhelmena Chester in North Dakota USA and later homesteaded in Saskatchewan. Alan, you would be able to look up this tree as it is in the Knibbs History Book. I just thought I would let you know before someone ordered the film and didn't have to because we already have the family tree. I am ordering the Molinxeau/Knibbs film. Futher to our recent communications regarding Thomas Nibbs who married a Mary circa 1791 in Passenham. I looked at the fiche, but only found a marriage by banns for Thomas Nibbs and Mary Gayton in March 1783. This is too early as it would leave Thomas to be only a 13/14 year old. Not likely! I will take another look next week as maybe the dates are incorrect. bfn Joyce Fischer [email protected] wrote: > I am indebted to Joyce FISCHER who told me that this catalogue at > familysearch.com is searchable by surnames. > > The following info appears on a K/NIBB/S search. > > 1. > John Maynard (ca.1804-1874) married Elizabeth Seymour, and the family > emigated in 1840 from England to Adelaide, South Australia. In 1852 John > visited the gold fields in Bendigo, but returned to S.A. to settle in Clare, > where he became the first blacksmith. Descendants and relatives live in South > Australia, Western Australia and elsewhere. Includes Baker, Bond, Crabb, > Hallett, Hoskin, Hyde, Knibbs, Machel, Overton, Warland and related families. > > 2. > The ancestors and descendants of Theodore Harris Chester and Anna Alfreda > Campbell : an honorable heritage > Stmnt.Resp. Betty June (Chester) Kiley > Authors Kiley, Betty June Chester, 1925- (Main Author) > > Notes Includes index. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Includes information on the Chester, Campbell, Arnesen, Boulduc, Brown, > Erickson, Johnson, Johnston, Knibbs, Lane, Lindblad, Putnam, Thompson, > Weedmark, Welton, Olson, Nickle, and other related families. > > 3. > The Smyth family > Authors Hamlin, Mildred Mayne (Main Author) > > Notes Includes Knibbs, Mayne, Lambert, and related families. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > William Mark Smyth was born in 1812 in Tipperary, Ireland, a descendant of > Jacob and Elizabeth Mark Smyth. He married Elizabeth Hiltz (1822-1902) in > Grey County, Ontario in 1848. Some of William's other brothers also > immigrated to Ontario. Descendants lived in Ontario and elsewhere. > > 4. > Title Pedigree chart of Knibbs-Molineux families, ca. 1792-1991 > > Notes Microfilm of photocopy of pedigree chart, 1 p. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Sam Knibbs (born 1792) married Esther (born 1799). Their family lived in > Shropshire and Staffordshire, England and some later descendants lived in > Canada. William Molineux married Isabella Bishton. Some of their children > were born 1852-1859. Descendants lived in England and Canada. > > At this stage, I only recognise this last entry as linking into Sir George > Handley KNIBBS tree. > > Would listers please let members know if they are proposing to obtain copies > of the books containing these K/NIBB/S. Joyce had intended ordering the > KNIBBS/MOLYNEUX one. > > bfn > > Alan > > List Administrator and host at <A HREF="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~knibbetc/">THE K/NIBB/S ONE NAME STUDY website</A> > > Did you know? Earlier postings to the list are archived at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/KNIBB-L/ > Please follow log-on instructions when you first visit! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Cathy, I haven't forgotten you - still trying to get through direct. I've logged the problem with my ISP who tells me it's being investigated! I've at long last decided that your John at Woodstock who married Catherine WRIGHT is the son of my John KNIBBS, son of Richard KNIBBS and Sarah BIGNELL from Deddington. It's unfortunate that the 1851 census for Woodstock Union didn't help me much as John senior died in 1832. So, whilst there isn't any fully conclusive evidence that they are one and the same, I'm happy that the evidence we do have is sufficient. As soon as I'm able to email you direct, I'll send a copy of the Woodstock PR and 1851 Census details. Don p.s. I can receive okay from you!

First I should have given the full name familysearch library catalog ie you go to the Library section of familysearch.com to search for K/NIBB/S. I've found the SMYTH/KNIBBS connection via ancestry.com and written to the researcher who has a website which looks full of promise. Also found a Theodore H CHESTER researcher but suspect this is someone else and not related to the familysearch library entry. bfn Alan

I am indebted to Joyce FISCHER who told me that this catalogue at familysearch.com is searchable by surnames. The following info appears on a K/NIBB/S search. 1. John Maynard (ca.1804-1874) married Elizabeth Seymour, and the family emigated in 1840 from England to Adelaide, South Australia. In 1852 John visited the gold fields in Bendigo, but returned to S.A. to settle in Clare, where he became the first blacksmith. Descendants and relatives live in South Australia, Western Australia and elsewhere. Includes Baker, Bond, Crabb, Hallett, Hoskin, Hyde, Knibbs, Machel, Overton, Warland and related families. 2. The ancestors and descendants of Theodore Harris Chester and Anna Alfreda Campbell : an honorable heritage Stmnt.Resp. Betty June (Chester) Kiley Authors Kiley, Betty June Chester, 1925- (Main Author) Notes Includes index. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Includes information on the Chester, Campbell, Arnesen, Boulduc, Brown, Erickson, Johnson, Johnston, Knibbs, Lane, Lindblad, Putnam, Thompson, Weedmark, Welton, Olson, Nickle, and other related families. 3. The Smyth family Authors Hamlin, Mildred Mayne (Main Author) Notes Includes Knibbs, Mayne, Lambert, and related families. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- William Mark Smyth was born in 1812 in Tipperary, Ireland, a descendant of Jacob and Elizabeth Mark Smyth. He married Elizabeth Hiltz (1822-1902) in Grey County, Ontario in 1848. Some of William's other brothers also immigrated to Ontario. Descendants lived in Ontario and elsewhere. 4. Title Pedigree chart of Knibbs-Molineux families, ca. 1792-1991 Notes Microfilm of photocopy of pedigree chart, 1 p. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Sam Knibbs (born 1792) married Esther (born 1799). Their family lived in Shropshire and Staffordshire, England and some later descendants lived in Canada. William Molineux married Isabella Bishton. Some of their children were born 1852-1859. Descendants lived in England and Canada. At this stage, I only recognise this last entry as linking into Sir George Handley KNIBBS tree. Would listers please let members know if they are proposing to obtain copies of the books containing these K/NIBB/S. Joyce had intended ordering the KNIBBS/MOLYNEUX one. bfn Alan List Administrator and host at <A HREF="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~knibbetc/">THE K/NIBB/S ONE NAME STUDY website</A> Did you know? Earlier postings to the list are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/KNIBB-L/ Please follow log-on instructions when you first visit!

I've managed to solve another of my longstanding Deddington mysteries over which Elizabeth KNIBBS married John GAMMAGE in Nov 1834. I found John, Elizabeth and their 9 year old son Henry in the 1851 Census of the Woodstock Union, living at Clifton, Oxfordshire. Elizabeth's age is given to be 46 years which enabled me to pinpoint her. Elizabeth was the daughter of Robert KNIBBS and Rachel ROBINSON from Deddington, bap. Dec 1804. Don

Just a light-hearted anecdote I came across today. Don't know if anyone has a connection with the you Charles Knibbs mentioned below? Don Worcestershire Record Office: Quarter Sessions [1/1/480 - 1/1/530] Quarter Sessions Rolls FILE - Sessions 1789 Epiphany - ref. 1/1/515 - date: 1789 item: Epiphany 1789: Information & complaint of Daniel Taylor, Broadway, labourer: Richard Hatt assaulted & beat him at Hatt's cider mill where he had gone for a drink as he was very thirsty and they were pressing for his master George Savage: Hatt's daughter, Mary, had words with him & told him to go & threw an apple at him so hard that it broke - he threw must at her, at which Richard Hatt hit him on the head with a pole, knocking him down, & kept on hitting him. Deposition of Charles Knibbs (aged 12), Giles Maling, & Robert Maling, Broadway: confirm Taylor's story. - ref. 1/1/515/69 [n.d.]

Two items emanating from PRO. [ In reverse order.] 1. 1901 Census On-Line Service The site remains unable to meet continuing levels of demand. The PRO has agreed with Qinetiq's technical team to close Internet access to the site for one week for enhancements to take place. Meanwhile the normal 1901 Census microform services continue to be available at the PRO Kew and local record offices and public libraries across the country. The 1901 On-Line service is available at the Family Records Centre. Access is limited to one hour per user by ticket. Tickets are available on a first come first served basis at the FRC and no advance bookings can be taken. For further information _regarding the FRC service_ please telephone 020-8392-5300. 2. I am writing to respond on the PRO's behalf to some of the issues which have been raised on the genealogy mailing lists over the past few days. I will endeavour to keep you updated with more information as it emerges: 1) Demand - I read the debate on the mailing lists with some interest. Clearly we under-estimated the likely volume of usage on the first few days. Our thinking, based on the usage figures of similar genealogical web sites, was based on the assumption that we would get 1 million visitors a day. Each visitor would view a number of pages and consequently, the number of hits (components of pages delivered) would be considerably larger than this. 2) What went wrong? We have been hit by a phenomenal demand - there were 34 million attempts to access the site in the first two days (This figure does not represent 34 million separate individuals, but a number of millions of people trying to get on several times). There therefore has been acute congestion at the entry point to the site, but behind this, the site itself works and delivers images - if you can get to it. 3) What have we done about it? We are trying three approaches to remedy the problems. First, we are working with our isp to increase bandwidth as soon as is practicable, although this can't be turned on immediately as it will require additional firewall capacity. Second, we are looking to reduce the size of the pages to be downloaded by creating a text-only site. Finally, we are determining what can be done to improve overall capacity on the site. 4) What happened on Friday night? Due to overwhelming demand, we had to restrict access. This is now being progressively restored. 5) What about the PRO's own web site? Our site is physically separate from the census site and has remained operational despite an increase in the number of visitors from an average of 35,000 a day to 1 million on Thursday. 6) Charges - can I reiterate what I said here earlier in the week - nobody will be charged if they have not received images or transcripts. If, due to a technical problem, you do have a charge on your account, we will arrange a refund. Normally a credit card session remains open for 48 hours. Recognising that users have had difficulty in accessing the site we have increased this to 144 hours for the time being. 7) Communications - by Thursday night the PRO had received 1,000 phone calls and nearly 600 e-mails and QinetiQ even more than this. We are trying to reply as quickly and courteously as possible, but please forgive us if our response time is a little slow. Finally, all of us on the team, both from QinetiQ and the PRO are disappointed at what has happened. Some of us are keen family historians and others have relatives who have that interest. We are all convinced that we have an excellent product and are working long hours to ensure that you will be able to enjoy it as soon as possible. David Thomas Head of e-Access, PRO [email protected] Well I guess another few weeks wait doesn't make an awful lot of difference after 100years. bfn Alan

A couple of weeks ago I listed the details I found in the Woodstock census for 1851. I mentioned that one of the entries was for James who married Mary Ann WILLS - to which Alan replied that he had Mary Ann listed as WELLS. I have her listed as WILLS aka WELLS. Unfortunately I've never been able to confirm which is correct. The Deddington PR transcript identifies her as WILLS in the marriage register, but the transcriber identified that she signed the register as WELLS. So, I have an open mind on it. Either the clerk got it wrong or her "i's" looked like "e's". Don