Cathy Sorry but I for one have no personal knowledge of these CD's. I haven't even subscribed to the English on-line records thinking that some will surely be available at familysearch.com - indeed ancestry.com refer to this resource for verification of some records! I may be misjudging them but like you am wary to fork out without knowing a bit more. That having been said, the LDS records only cover baptisms and marriages so any burial/tombstone/obits/Wills data will not be available at familysearch.com I can't imagine that there will be widespread coverage - more likely extracts that have been donated although Ancestry.com/Rootsweb did boast at least one large unique collection. I say 'did' because I just went to their intro page and cannot now see the name. Perhaps someone else can help or put us on to someone who can. bfn Alan > Any Listers have experience here? > > Cathy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don Knibbs > Subject: Re: RootsWeb CD's question > > > Hi Cathy, > > I'm afraid I don't know if these are any good or not - I've never tried > them myself. I'm wondering if it's worth messaging the KNIBB list to see if > anyone there has any experience of the RootsWeb CD's. I know Alan has > several CD's of data but I don't know where he gets them from. > > Don > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > Don, > > This offer from Roots/Web -- English Parish Records: England (General) > The 1,142,711 records in this database come from parish records and similar > sources in England around 1538 to 1837. Some non-parish records may be > included from as early as the twelfth century. Parish records--primarily > births, baptisms, marriages, and burials--provide the best source of vital > record information in the centuries before civil registration. This > collection includes parish records and similar sources in the United > Kingdom approximately 1538 to 1837. The records include baptisms, burials, > marriages, tombstone inscriptions, obituaries, wills, and other > miscellaneous types of records. > > Is this what I should be looking to purchase? I think I would need four > of them: 1) English Parish Records: Gloucestershire, Wiltshire, Berkshire, > Oxford, Worcestershire Retail $39.95 Sale Price $29.95; 2) English Parish > Records: Hampshire, Kent, Surrey, Sussex Retail $39.95 Sale Price $29.95; > 3) English Parish Records: Huntingdonshire, Northamptonshire, Bedfordshire, > Buckinghamshire Retail $39.95 Sale Price $29.95; and 4) English Parish > Records: Lincolnshire, Leicestershire, Rutland Retail $39.95 Sale Price > $29.95. > > At $29.95 each I want to be sure that I'm getting something useful and I > know you have a better handle on what is useful and what is not. > > Thanks, > Cathy > > > > >

Any Listers have experience here? Cathy ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Knibbs Subject: Re: RootsWeb CD's question Hi Cathy, I'm afraid I don't know if these are any good or not - I've never tried them myself. I'm wondering if it's worth messaging the KNIBB list to see if anyone there has any experience of the RootsWeb CD's. I know Alan has several CD's of data but I don't know where he gets them from. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] Don, This offer from Roots/Web -- English Parish Records: England (General) The 1,142,711 records in this database come from parish records and similar sources in England around 1538 to 1837. Some non-parish records may be included from as early as the twelfth century. Parish records--primarily births, baptisms, marriages, and burials--provide the best source of vital record information in the centuries before civil registration. This collection includes parish records and similar sources in the United Kingdom approximately 1538 to 1837. The records include baptisms, burials, marriages, tombstone inscriptions, obituaries, wills, and other miscellaneous types of records. Is this what I should be looking to purchase? I think I would need four of them: 1) English Parish Records: Gloucestershire, Wiltshire, Berkshire, Oxford, Worcestershire Retail $39.95 Sale Price $29.95; 2) English Parish Records: Hampshire, Kent, Surrey, Sussex Retail $39.95 Sale Price $29.95; 3) English Parish Records: Huntingdonshire, Northamptonshire, Bedfordshire, Buckinghamshire Retail $39.95 Sale Price $29.95; and 4) English Parish Records: Lincolnshire, Leicestershire, Rutland Retail $39.95 Sale Price $29.95. At $29.95 each I want to be sure that I'm getting something useful and I know you have a better handle on what is useful and what is not. Thanks, Cathy

Don, Great stories, and such good fun that you poke at yourself. The stories that I have about this family haven't been so cheerful. I think I 'll hold them a little longer. Cathy ----- and that was how > she met my grandfather. Whilst this is more likely to be true, I much prefer > the first version! > > Don > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I have three little stories that I hope will at least cause a chuckle or two: I can just remember that amongst the relatives my dad spoke of there was his aunt Amy and uncle Edgar. Way back in the late 50's/early 60's I met great-uncle Edgar at a family gathering which I now believe was probably great-aunt Amy's funeral. Other than the fact that everyone at the gathering was family, I didn't understand what relationship any of them were. All I can remember was that they all seemed to be very old. My research into the family revealed that great-aunt Amy never married so was a spinster when she died. I recorded that detail into my genealogy package and thought no more of it. Anyway, I've recently learned from my dad's only remaining cousin who is now well into her 80's, that it wasn't quite as straightforward as that. She tells me that Amy was a "live-in general help" at Gardeners thriving Fish & Chip shop in Broad Street, Banbury. Uncle Edgar was in fact Edward Gardener, the owner of the Fish & Chip shop! As my dad's cousin put it in her letter, Amy and Edgar were "very fond of eachother". The reason she tells me why they never married is that Edgar had promised his mother he would never get married. Instead, he would spend his life looking after his sister. That is what he did. Now I know the details, Edgar is added into my family tree which would be incomplete without reference to him. I'm now trying to understand what was wrong with his sister and why he was expected to look after her. Another one, which I'd forgotten about until I read the one from Pat which reminded me, relates to me when I was a child. We lived in Basingstoke in Hampshire, and for a treat, I'd been sent to stay with my Aunt in Portsmouth during the school holidays. That was a great treat as she lived very close to the sea. I don't remember the discussion, but I imagine that in talking to my aunt and uncle I gave the impression that things were very bad for me at home - as kids do - nobody loved me!. My aunt put pen to paper and wrote to my parents saying that as they obviously didn't want me, not to bother collecting me as she would be happy to keep me. My dad apparently hit the roof when he received the letter and collected me that day. I was invited to stay again the next year so it obviously all blew over very quickly. The final story was told to me by my mother when I was in my early teens. My paternal gran was illegitimate and worked as a domestic servant for my grandfather's parents. My grandfather fell in love with her and married her, and as a result, he was excommunicated from the family and disinherited, firstly because of my gran's illegitimacy and secondly, her status as a domestic servant. He left home with his new bride and moved to Basingstoke where they lived happily everafter. I had no reason to doubt the story was true, but my research had put serious doubt into my mind. Would my great-grandfather, as an Agricultural Labourer with 10 children, be in a position to afford a domestic servant? My dad's cousin has recently told me what is more likely to be the true story. Her mother and my gran were domestic servants together in Warwickshire. One weekend, she took my gran home with her and that was how she met my grandfather. Whilst this is more likely to be true, I much prefer the first version! Don

Will SKS please when next at a library that has the GRO indices check on a Thomas KNIBBS death 04qtr 1941 North Bucks District. I have his age at 70 but wish to check on that. Also does a Fred RUSH appear in marriage indices for 03qtr1909 with ref Buckingham 3a - 2055, being the corresponding entry for Rosa May? bfn Alan

Fascinating indeed. Who's next with a K/NIBB/S family story? bfn Alan > I have a story that my father told us kids just last year/. > > I don't know how fascinating it is, but I certainly found it interesting. > The year was 1952, and my parents were living in Perth, Scotland at the > time. They were 26 years old, married just over 4 years. They had 3 > children, 1 boy and 2 girls, (aged 4, 3 and 2 yrs. respectively) My younger > sister and I hadn't arrived on the scene yet....) > > My father worked as a clerk at the time, and as you can imagine, in those > days, didn't make very much money. Having a wife and family to support, > things were tight. Through his work he and my mother made the acquaintance > of a man and his wife from England, in their 30's who had been married for > several years, couldn't have children and dearly wanted them. > > This couple were invited to my parents home for a meal, and they met my > brother and two sisters. They took quite a shine to the eldest girl, then > 3, (my sister Kathleen). They offered my parents quite a lot of money to > BUY her from my parents. !!! My parents of course, couldn't possibly part > with their child, and the young couple were never seen or heard from again. > > When my Dad told us this story, at a family dinner one evening, we were all > shocked and surprised. This was one " skeleton in the closet" that we never > thought we'd dig up! > > Pat Walker. >

Don > Sorry if it wasn't anything new. All the records give are dates of > birth/death and last known place of residence. > Don't be because I think they are actually set out in a better way than any of the USSSDI sites and who knows we might pick up a full obituary some day. bfn Alan

I have a story that my father told us kids just last year/. I don't know how fascinating it is, but I certainly found it interesting. The year was 1952, and my parents were living in Perth, Scotland at the time. They were 26 years old, married just over 4 years. They had 3 children, 1 boy and 2 girls, (aged 4, 3 and 2 yrs. respectively) My younger sister and I hadn't arrived on the scene yet....) My father worked as a clerk at the time, and as you can imagine, in those days, didn't make very much money. Having a wife and family to support, things were tight. Through his work he and my mother made the acquaintance of a man and his wife from England, in their 30's who had been married for several years, couldn't have children and dearly wanted them. This couple were invited to my parents home for a meal, and they met my brother and two sisters. They took quite a shine to the eldest girl, then 3, (my sister Kathleen). They offered my parents quite a lot of money to BUY her from my parents. !!! My parents of course, couldn't possibly part with their child, and the young couple were never seen or heard from again. When my Dad told us this story, at a family dinner one evening, we were all shocked and surprised. This was one " skeleton in the closet" that we never thought we'd dig up! Pat Walker. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 12:07 PM Subject: [K/NIBB/S] Two items >1. >Jeff WHITTAKER tells me that Dorothy KNIBB died last week aged 95. She was >buried in the old Knibb cemetery at Little Genito farm in Goochland County >where many of her ancestors were laid to rest. It was Dorothy who carried >out genealogical research about their early days in Virginia. I first became >aware of her when she met Michele's uncle Austen KNIBB and gave him a copy >of the Knibb Pie Recipe. > >2. >'Perfect Strangers' by Stephen POLIAKOFF was broadcast again on the BBC over >the weekend. The series was based on a weekend family reunion at which >estranged members attended, reminiscing over old photos and past events. I >missed some of the episodes last time around, so was glad to fit together all >the intrigues. The family 'archivist' was quoted as saying that every family >has three fantastic stories to relate. I'd settle for just one from each >K/NIBB/S lister! > >bfn > >Alan > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Alan, Sorry if it wasn't anything new. All the records give are dates of birth/death and last known place of residence. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] US National Obituary Archive > Don > > These all seem to be just extracts from the USSSDI or did you find some > genuine obituaries at the site? > > bfn > > Alan > > > > I came across this this evening. It has 50 recent Knibbs obituaries that > > maybe of interest. > > > > http://aolsvc.news.arrangeonline.aol.com/obituary/search.asp > > > > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

1. Jeff WHITTAKER tells me that Dorothy KNIBB died last week aged 95. She was buried in the old Knibb cemetery at Little Genito farm in Goochland County where many of her ancestors were laid to rest. It was Dorothy who carried out genealogical research about their early days in Virginia. I first became aware of her when she met Michele's uncle Austen KNIBB and gave him a copy of the Knibb Pie Recipe. 2. 'Perfect Strangers' by Stephen POLIAKOFF was broadcast again on the BBC over the weekend. The series was based on a weekend family reunion at which estranged members attended, reminiscing over old photos and past events. I missed some of the episodes last time around, so was glad to fit together all the intrigues. The family 'archivist' was quoted as saying that every family has three fantastic stories to relate. I'd settle for just one from each K/NIBB/S lister! bfn Alan

Don These all seem to be just extracts from the USSSDI or did you find some genuine obituaries at the site? bfn Alan > I came across this this evening. It has 50 recent Knibbs obituaries that > maybe of interest. > > http://aolsvc.news.arrangeonline.aol.com/obituary/search.asp > >

I came across this this evening. It has 50 recent Knibbs obituaries that maybe of interest. http://aolsvc.news.arrangeonline.aol.com/obituary/search.asp Don

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Cathy > I think you misunderstood what I meant -- or I misunderstood what you > said... > Well, I think we're spot on the same wavelength. > > I thought that between 1851 census and 1856 marriage of my Ann, that perhaps > the first Anne Knibbs could have married and become Ann Russell -- could > have been in the same quarter -- but maybe not. Pure conjecture especially > since Ann was a very popular name. There are no Ann KNIBBS marriages recorded in the GRO between 1851 and 1856 [except one Lincoln District 02qtr1856] but in the same 03 quarter 1856 and Lambeth District the Ann and Anne marriages appear, so hence my comments. The references are the same which suggest a duplicate but it's possible, I had supposed, that the 1851 Pauper Ann in Lambeth may have married perhaps only days before your Ann, who was definitely in Lambeth in 1856. > > The second curious thing is about the 1851 census -- although Ann White > Knibbs would have been a widow in 1881, in 1851 she was still bearing > children with John -- through 1855 I believe and would have been about 40? > That's close to 44 -- but then she'd have been nearly 50 when her last child > was born -- would that be unusual? And she would have had to return to > Woodstock by 1881. Yes, I can only square these facts if somewhere along the line we've got the wrong Ann and/or the wrong John. It was the Charwoman coincidence that got me going! I think you would be quite right to discount my comments, at this stage at least. > > I think it's the amateur detective work that is a great part of the > attraction of this hobby. > Absolutely, couldn't agree with you more. bfn Alan

Alan, I think you misunderstood what I meant -- or I misunderstood what you said... >One way of checking would be for someone to look at the GRO indices for >03qtr1856 to see if there's a RUSSELL entry there with the same reference. > However, it does seem strange for both an Ann and an Anne KNIBBS to have >married in the same quarter and in the same district with the same reference. > Perhaps it is in reality a duplicate entry for your Ann. > > I did just wonder if the Anne KNIBBS, pauper charwoman in Lambeth was Ann > WHITE, the second wife of John who was your Ann's father. She is shown as a > charwoman on the 1881 census at Woodstock by which time John had died - 1872 >if the right one. That also has me thinking whether a saddler's widow would > have been so described. Oh that we could become time travellers! > Alan I thought that between 1851 census and 1856 marriage of my Ann, that perhaps the first Anne Knibbs could have married and become Ann Russell -- could have been in the same quarter -- but maybe not. Pure conjecture especially since Ann was a very popular name. The second curious thing is about the 1851 census -- although Ann White Knibbs would have been a widow in 1881, in 1851 she was still bearing children with John -- through 1855 I believe and would have been about 40? That's close to 44 -- but then she'd have been nearly 50 when her last child was born -- would that be unusual? And she would have had to return to Woodstock by 1881. I think it's the amateur detective work that is a great part of the attraction of this hobby. Cathy

All listers Bob KNIBBS advised me that he didn't receive my 'Burns Night' posting of last week and only learnt about it from seeing a reply. It seems that other AOL listers suffered/benefitted similarly. Seriously though I will endeavour to track any such non-deliveries in the future, although I didn't receive any 'bounce' notices on this occasion. There again as an AOL user myself, I did in retrospect, notice that the posting didn't reach me in the normal way within moments of dispatch. For those who similarly missed it, I have just checked the archive and see that the original posting does appear there . Hopefully this was just a one-off but please let me know if the same thing happens to you at any time from now on. bfn Alan List Administrator and host at <A HREF="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~knibbetc/">THE K/NIBB/S ONE NAME STUDY website</A> Did you know? Earlier postings to the list are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/KNIBB-L/ Please follow log-on instructions when you first visit!

Cathy > Just a hunch, but Ann Russell was one of the witnesses at Ann Knibbs and > George Brashier's wedding in 1856. I had been thinking it could be a friend > or relative of similar age -- but thinking about Ann Knibbs age 44 in 1851 > and then disappearing -- and having Alan say that perhaps she married > again -- might she have married a Russell? > > One way of checking would be for someone to look at the GRO indices for 03qtr1856 to see if there's a RUSSELL entry there with the same reference. However, it does seem strange for both an Ann and an Anne KNIBBS to have married in the same quarter and in the same district with the same reference. Perhaps it is in reality a duplicate entry for your Ann. I did just wonder if the Anne KNIBBS, pauper charwoman in Lambeth was Ann WHITE, the second wife of John who was your Ann's father. She is shown as a charwoman on the 1881 census at Woodstock by which time John had died - 1872 if the right one. That also has me thinking whether a saddler's widow would have been so described. Oh that we could become time travellers! bfn Alan

Bob and Alan, Just a hunch, but Ann Russell was one of the witnesses at Ann Knibbs and George Brashier's wedding in 1856. I had been thinking it could be a friend or relative of similar age -- but thinking about Ann Knibbs age 44 in 1851 and then disappearing -- and having Alan say that perhaps she married again -- might she have married a Russell? Cathy ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Ann Knibbs Lambeth 1851 > Bob > > Your reasoning looks sound and might just be Ann/e KNIBBS who married > [again?] 03qtr1856 Lambeth District, as I can't pick up an obvious death for > her. > > bfn > > Alan > > > > To all Listers > > > > Whilst going through the 1851 Census index for Lambeth > > London /Church District , for Cathy Cliffe. I came accross > > an entry as follows. > > > > Lambeth Work House > > > > Ann Knibbs Aged 44 Occupation Charwoman > > listed as inmate Pauper. > > > > I cannot find an entry of her birth so assume she married > > into the family. Hope this is of some use. > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Bob Your reasoning looks sound and might just be Ann/e KNIBBS who married [again?] 03qtr1856 Lambeth District, as I can't pick up an obvious death for her. bfn Alan > To all Listers > > Whilst going through the 1851 Census index for Lambeth > London /Church District , for Cathy Cliffe. I came accross > an entry as follows. > > Lambeth Work House > > Ann Knibbs Aged 44 Occupation Charwoman > listed as inmate Pauper. > > I cannot find an entry of her birth so assume she married > into the family. Hope this is of some use.

Muriel The one you mention I have as dying 02qtr 1861 Dudley District. I think that the Harriet KNIBB who married John MURPHY on 12 October 1856 is the one baptised 24 Mar 1839 Stratford upon Avon [Shotford Boro?] to John KNIBB and Elizabeth nee JACKSON. They appear on the 1881 Census at 125 Glover St Aston Warwickshire and appear to have lived in Worcester for a period as some children stated as having been born there. He is shown as a 'currier'but I have queried if this might not be 'carrier'. bfn Alan > Is Harriet the daughter of Yjomas and Matilda/ Do you know where she was > married and where they settled and the family are now? Thanks for the info. > >