Glenn Ellsworth Knibbs writes that his father told him Charles Knibbs' parents died on Ellis Island. How could this be if Charles Knibbs, 1819-1886, married in New York in 1852? Ritchie

Just wondering if this means anything to anyone on the list? ""Registration # 001628-1907, Thomas John ABBOTT, 26, brass finisher, born in England, resident of Toronto, s/o Joseph J. ABBOTT & Jane NIBBS, married Mabel Asplin COOPER, 21, born in England, resident of Toronto, d/o George Luther COOPER & Rosina STANTON, witn: G.H. YONACE & Joseph J. ABBOTT, bv Toronto, 28 Feb 1907, in Toronto"" It's been passed to me by Mary Crandall who is researching the GURNEY family. Two GURNEY brothers(?) married to two of my KNIBBS sisters Jane and Elizabeth in the late 1700's, hence the connection. I wrote to Mary recently to say that I've learned from Trevor KNIBBS of another GURNEY/KNIBBS marriage and wondered if she knew of it. Francis Tom GURNEY married Edith Mildred KNIBBS at Combe, Oxfordshire in 1932. She's not aware of Francis Tom, but passed on the above snippet in case it's of interest. Don

Ritchie & Marsha, The good news is that Glenn went back to my web page, saw the message I'd left, and emailed me as follows: "I have a book of The Rummey's tree. The Knibbs are tracted to a Charles Knibbs born 15 feb 1819 Devonshire, England died 23 sept 1886 Verona, Ill. My grandfather was his son. My father said that Charles parnets died on Ellis island and friends split up the four boys. I'm just started to do some work on the Knibbs family history. I am 81 and it takes me awhile to do things. Glenn Ellsworth Knibbs" So, from this, it appears that Glen is descended from the elusive Charles Knibbs from Devonshire. I've written back to Glen to say that there are others on the mailing list who know of his ancestors, and who would like to make contact with him. Bearing in mind he's 81 years old, I've asked if he minds me passing his email address on to you - and Alan of course. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Glenn Ellsworth KNIBBS > Marsha. The Grundy Co., Illinois, Knibbs are mine. Charles Knibbs had seven > children. The only male who lived to adult hood was John D. Knibbs, > 1867-1934. My guess is that Truman E. Knibbs and John B. Knibbs were his > sons. The dates are right; John D. would have been 28 when Truman was born. > Gordon Charles Knibbs, who lives in Colorado, is also a son of John D. Knibbs > and should be able to place Truman E. and John B. Alan will no doubt be able > to confirm my guess. Charles Knibbs arrived in the U.S. long before Ellis > Island. I suspect this account of four brothers whose parents died on Ellis > Island may be family lore. Ritchie Thomas > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Marsha & Ritchie, Thanks so much for the information. I am hoping that I can persuade Glenn of the benefits of joining the KNIBB mailing list. He left a message in the message book of my web page but unfortunately, I now find that the email he gave me ([email protected]) is being bounced so I'm unable to make contact again. The ms.com bit seems okay but ms.com doesn't recognise the "glkn" bit. I'm hoping he goes back to my web page again so I've placed a note on the index page for him to email me. I'll have a play with the email address, trying a few different combinations but I'm not optimistic. However, I'll keep you posted. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Glenn Ellsworth KNIBBS > Marsha. The Grundy Co., Illinois, Knibbs are mine. Charles Knibbs had seven > children. The only male who lived to adult hood was John D. Knibbs, > 1867-1934. My guess is that Truman E. Knibbs and John B. Knibbs were his > sons. The dates are right; John D. would have been 28 when Truman was born. > Gordon Charles Knibbs, who lives in Colorado, is also a son of John D. Knibbs > and should be able to place Truman E. and John B. Alan will no doubt be able > to confirm my guess. Charles Knibbs arrived in the U.S. long before Ellis > Island. I suspect this account of four brothers whose parents died on Ellis > Island may be family lore. Ritchie Thomas > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

OK, here's the census info. In Verona Village, Grundy County, 23 Jan 1920 John _D_ Knibbs, head of household, was 50, born in IL, father born in Ireland (!), mother born in Wales. Annie E. Knibbs, wife, 49, she and parents all born in IL. George L. Knibbs, son, 18, born in IL. In Vienna Township, Grundy County, 20 Jan 1920 Truman E. Knibbs, head of household, was 22, he and parents all born in IL. Mattie B. Knibbs, wife, 25, she and parents all born in IL. So Truman is probably John D's son. I had to look up Grundy County on the map. For people my age & older, Vienna, IL (in Johnson County, near the southern tip of the state) will be forever remembered for its most infamous son, Paul Powell, sometime Secretary of the State of Illinois and notorious shoebox collector & filler. NOT the same place the Knibbs were from. [email protected] wrote: >Marsha. The Grundy Co., Illinois, Knibbs are mine. Charles Knibbs had seven >children. The only male who lived to adult hood was John D. Knibbs, >1867-1934. My guess is that Truman E. Knibbs and John B. Knibbs were his >sons. The dates are right; John D. would have been 28 when Truman was born. >Gordon Charles Knibbs, who lives in Colorado, is also a son of John D. Knibbs >and should be able to place Truman E. and John B. Alan will no doubt be able >to confirm my guess. Charles Knibbs arrived in the U.S. long before Ellis >Island. I suspect this account of four brothers whose parents died on Ellis >Island may be family lore. Ritchie Thomas -- *Marsha L. Ensminger __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with [email protected]! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

Marsha. The Grundy Co., Illinois, Knibbs are mine. Charles Knibbs had seven children. The only male who lived to adult hood was John D. Knibbs, 1867-1934. My guess is that Truman E. Knibbs and John B. Knibbs were his sons. The dates are right; John D. would have been 28 when Truman was born. Gordon Charles Knibbs, who lives in Colorado, is also a son of John D. Knibbs and should be able to place Truman E. and John B. Alan will no doubt be able to confirm my guess. Charles Knibbs arrived in the U.S. long before Ellis Island. I suspect this account of four brothers whose parents died on Ellis Island may be family lore. Ritchie Thomas

I've been contacted by a man called Glenn Ellsworth KNIBBS from the US. From what I can make out, he is descended from a family of four brothers who were all split up when their parents died at Ellis Island. I've written back to Glen to see if he can tell me more, but thought I'd share the little information I do have with the list. Somewhere out there, I guess there are the descendants of the other three brothers, so I wondered if it rings any bells with anyone on the list? Don

I've been playing at rootsweb this afternoon as I can't get into the ancestry census databases for some reason. There's a WorldConnect entry for a Glen Ellsworth Knibbs, posted by Jim Pool [email protected] The file was updated earlier today... According to the WorldConnect file, Glen's father was Truman Knibb. One of the census records I was hoping to look at today was from 1920, for Truman E. Knibbs of Grundy County, Illinois. Another was John B. Knibbs, also of Grundy Co. One of the brothers? SSDI shows a Truman Knibbs b. 28 Mar 1897, d. Nov 1969, last residence Chicago, Cook Co, IL. Further details when I can get into the census images again... "Don Knibbs" <[email protected]> wrote: >I've been contacted by a man called Glenn Ellsworth KNIBBS from the US. From >what I can make out, he is descended from a family of four brothers who were >all split up when their parents died at Ellis Island. I've written back to >Glen to see if he can tell me more, but thought I'd share the little >information I do have with the list. > >Somewhere out there, I guess there are the descendants of the other three >brothers, so I wondered if it rings any bells with anyone on the list? > >Don > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > -- *Marsha L. Ensminger __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with [email protected]! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

Marsha, Thanks for passing the information on about James H KNIBBS. I've had a good search around in USGenWeb but sadly, can't find any reference to him in either Maine or New Hampshire. If indeed it is the James we suspect it is, he was baptised in Feb 1819, so "age last birthday" when the census was taken would have been at least 31. Nevertheless, I still wouldn't discount him due to the age discrepancy - ages, as I'm sure you've found, are often given or recorded wrongly. Thanks again, Don ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 5:25 AM Subject: RE: [K/NIBB/S] Another saddler, a blacksmith, a worthy .... > The age question in the 1850 census was _supposed_ to be "age at last birthday". The enumerator got to this family sometime in August 1850, as best as I can decipher it. So the answer could refer to a birthday in 1849 - or maybe someone's arithmetic skills weren't very good. > > > [email protected] wrote: > > >Sure is and I think you may well be right. I searched on KNIBB and missed > >him as KNIBBS but we all know about that one. The age discrepancy is minimal > >particularly bearing in mind we only have his baptism and not his birth - I > >even have a 3 year gap between him and his nearest older sibling. What can > >be said is that no one has tracked him further in England, as far as I'm > >aware, so it does set up the real possibility that he emigrated. > > > >No, I can't recall any other KNIBB/S saddlers within another family but I > >can't check the database on that parameter as can Don re his tree. > > > >Will keep a beady eye out for the family henceforth and hope to be able to > >confirm [or at least find him fitting in elsewhere] at some time in the > >future. > > > >bfn > > > >Alan > > > > > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > -- > *Marsha L. Ensminger > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with [email protected]! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

The age question in the 1850 census was _supposed_ to be "age at last birthday". The enumerator got to this family sometime in August 1850, as best as I can decipher it. So the answer could refer to a birthday in 1849 - or maybe someone's arithmetic skills weren't very good. [email protected] wrote: >Sure is and I think you may well be right. I searched on KNIBB and missed >him as KNIBBS but we all know about that one. The age discrepancy is minimal >particularly bearing in mind we only have his baptism and not his birth - I >even have a 3 year gap between him and his nearest older sibling. What can >be said is that no one has tracked him further in England, as far as I'm >aware, so it does set up the real possibility that he emigrated. > >No, I can't recall any other KNIBB/S saddlers within another family but I >can't check the database on that parameter as can Don re his tree. > >Will keep a beady eye out for the family henceforth and hope to be able to >confirm [or at least find him fitting in elsewhere] at some time in the >future. > >bfn > >Alan > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > -- *Marsha L. Ensminger __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with [email protected]! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

Don & Alan, How about Harry? Or Henry like his uncle? -- Cathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Knibbs" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 4:39 AM Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Another saddler, a blacksmith, a worthy .... > I agree with Cathy that this James is a possibility. He comes from a long > line of Saddle and Harnessmakers. Whilst his father Anthony and brothers all > appear to have been labourers (at least, I've seen no record that they were > saddlers) several of his uncles were saddlers so it's quite possible that he > could have learned his trade from them. > > Apart from his baptism at Swerford in Oxfordshire in 1819, he seems to have > "disappeared", so may well have emigrated to the US. I'm not quite sure > where the "H" as in "James H" comes from though. > > Is there a history of saddle making in any other line of Knibbs? > > Don > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 3:39 AM > Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Another saddler, a blacksmith, a worthy .... > > > > Alan, > > > > Do you think James Knibb could be James Knibbs son of Anthony Knibbs, > > grandson of Richard and Sarah. He's in the right family for saddler and > > James Knibbs would have been 31 in 1850. Seems that they often didn't > > report their ages quite correctly. Anthony's son James was only 8 when > his > > father died and 14 when his mother died -- no wonder he'd have been in the > > US by age 29 (or 31). I know -- pure conjecture. :-) Fun isn't it. > > Cathy > > > > > ............................................................................ > > ........................................... > > Monday, March 04, 2002 5:23 PM -- Alan wrote: > > > > Subject: [K/NIBB/S] Another saddler, a blacksmith, a worthy .... > > > > > > > ...and a few other things to hopefully stirr up some interest. > Doubtless, > > > I'll put my foot in it somewhere along the line - the strirrup that is! > > > > > > Look what Marsha has found. ''From York County, Maine, 1850, there's a > > > listing for a James H. Knibb. Age 29, occupation saddler, birthplace > > England. > > > > > > Made [her] wonder if we've "lost" one of those saddler/harness maker > > > types.[!] This one seems to have had a bit of wanderlust in him. His > > wife, > > > Mary S, was born in Maine, but their (2 yr old) son, Henry W. was born > in > > New > > > Hampshire. > > > > > > It will be interesting to see if/where he shows up in later years''. > > > Meanwhile any ideas out there, 'cos I can't locate any of them? > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Cathy/Don > Do you think James Knibb could be James Knibbs son of Anthony Knibbs, > grandson of Richard and Sarah. He's in the right family for saddler and > James Knibbs would have been 31 in 1850. Seems that they often didn't > report their ages quite correctly. Anthony's son James was only 8 when his > father died and 14 when his mother died -- no wonder he'd have been in the > US by age 29 (or 31). I know -- pure conjecture. :-) Fun isn't it. > Sure is and I think you may well be right. I searched on KNIBB and missed him as KNIBBS but we all know about that one. The age discrepancy is minimal particularly bearing in mind we only have his baptism and not his birth - I even have a 3 year gap between him and his nearest older sibling. What can be said is that no one has tracked him further in England, as far as I'm aware, so it does set up the real possibility that he emigrated. No, I can't recall any other KNIBB/S saddlers within another family but I can't check the database on that parameter as can Don re his tree. Will keep a beady eye out for the family henceforth and hope to be able to confirm [or at least find him fitting in elsewhere] at some time in the future. bfn Alan

I agree with Cathy that this James is a possibility. He comes from a long line of Saddle and Harnessmakers. Whilst his father Anthony and brothers all appear to have been labourers (at least, I've seen no record that they were saddlers) several of his uncles were saddlers so it's quite possible that he could have learned his trade from them. Apart from his baptism at Swerford in Oxfordshire in 1819, he seems to have "disappeared", so may well have emigrated to the US. I'm not quite sure where the "H" as in "James H" comes from though. Is there a history of saddle making in any other line of Knibbs? Don ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 3:39 AM Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Another saddler, a blacksmith, a worthy .... > Alan, > > Do you think James Knibb could be James Knibbs son of Anthony Knibbs, > grandson of Richard and Sarah. He's in the right family for saddler and > James Knibbs would have been 31 in 1850. Seems that they often didn't > report their ages quite correctly. Anthony's son James was only 8 when his > father died and 14 when his mother died -- no wonder he'd have been in the > US by age 29 (or 31). I know -- pure conjecture. :-) Fun isn't it. > Cathy > > ............................................................................ > ........................................... > Monday, March 04, 2002 5:23 PM -- Alan wrote: > > Subject: [K/NIBB/S] Another saddler, a blacksmith, a worthy .... > > > > ...and a few other things to hopefully stirr up some interest. Doubtless, > > I'll put my foot in it somewhere along the line - the strirrup that is! > > > > Look what Marsha has found. ''From York County, Maine, 1850, there's a > > listing for a James H. Knibb. Age 29, occupation saddler, birthplace > England. > > > > Made [her] wonder if we've "lost" one of those saddler/harness maker > > types.[!] This one seems to have had a bit of wanderlust in him. His > wife, > > Mary S, was born in Maine, but their (2 yr old) son, Henry W. was born in > New > > Hampshire. > > > > It will be interesting to see if/where he shows up in later years''. > > Meanwhile any ideas out there, 'cos I can't locate any of them? > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi All No I did not receive a different answer regarding the IGI Batch numbers website. bfn Joyce [email protected] wrote: > ...and a few other things to hopefully stirr up some interest. Doubtless, > I'll put my foot in it somewhere along the line - the strirrup that is! > > Look what Marsha has found. ''From York County, Maine, 1850, there's a > listing for a James H. Knibb. Age 29, occupation saddler, birthplace England. > > Made [her] wonder if we've "lost" one of those saddler/harness maker > types.[!] This one seems to have had a bit of wanderlust in him. His wife, > Mary S, was born in Maine, but their (2 yr old) son, Henry W. was born in New > Hampshire. > > It will be interesting to see if/where he shows up in later years''. > Meanwhile any ideas out there, 'cos I can't locate any of them? > > Nor can I get into this 'new' site which was reported on Ancestry.com and is > meant to refer to Rensselaer County, New York > http://rootsweb.com/~nyrenss2.html > Ana could you please take a look from time to time, as it was knowing that > your relatives had a connection there which caught my eye. > > There are a couple of new items on my [our] website but nothing much that we > haven't discussed already. There's a new link amongst others to the a2a > website. It produced a few nuggets and gave me several leads to follow up. > > And here's an exerpt from an enquiry re KNIBB'S battery, the full text of > which I can supply to those related. > ''My great grandfather, John Binford Knibb of Goochland County, VA was born > on November 7, 1823. At the age of 37, he answered the Commonwealth of > Virginia' s "Call to Arms" during the War Between the States by volunteering > as a private in the Goochland-Turner Light Artillery, under the command of > Capt. Walter Daniel Leake. Knibb was mustered into service at the county > courthouse in August of 1861. The unit, then, went to Charleston, SC with > Robert E. Lee and helped to defend that city for the next year. The only > engagement that John Knibb fought in was the Battle of Port Royal Ferry as he > was transfered out in May of '62. Since he was an experienced blacksmith > prior to hostilites, the Adjutant & Inspector General of the Confederate > States issued Special Order Number 101 which sent John Knibb to the Tredegar > Iron Works in Richmond, VA to help in the forging of cannon and iron plating > for the gunboats of the James River Squadron..............'' > > Take a look at http://www.dnzb.govt.nz/dnzb/ if you have a connection with > Hannah Haynes NIBBS in New Zealand. There's a biography about her 6th son > Elsdon BEST. > > Joyce told us about missing Akeley males in the Batch numbers website. > Here's a 'standard' reply which I saw on their FAQ sheet. > "Thank you for your note. Your observations are correct and at least to some > degree explainable. More females attend LDS temples than males creating an > imbalance in the inventory system. To solve that issue, the batches were > split into male and female (J and K batches). The females were sent to the > temples, and in some cases the male portion of the batch has not yet been > sent, but is waiting in the inventory." I'm [ie Hugh is] not personally > convinced this totally explains it but that is the official explanation > anyway. That same user also forwarded me this observation; "Incidentally, I > have since discovered that some of the missing males are in the Vital Records > Index - for example for Dauntsey, Wiltshire, 1653-1885, females only are in > the IGI, both males and females are in the VRI." > > So there you have it, unless Joyce received a different answer. > > All for now. > > bfn > > Alan > Host at THE K/NIBB/S ONE NAME STUDY > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~knibbetc/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Alan, Do you think James Knibb could be James Knibbs son of Anthony Knibbs, grandson of Richard and Sarah. He's in the right family for saddler and James Knibbs would have been 31 in 1850. Seems that they often didn't report their ages quite correctly. Anthony's son James was only 8 when his father died and 14 when his mother died -- no wonder he'd have been in the US by age 29 (or 31). I know -- pure conjecture. :-) Fun isn't it. Cathy ............................................................................ ........................................... Monday, March 04, 2002 5:23 PM -- Alan wrote: Subject: [K/NIBB/S] Another saddler, a blacksmith, a worthy .... > ...and a few other things to hopefully stirr up some interest. Doubtless, > I'll put my foot in it somewhere along the line - the strirrup that is! > > Look what Marsha has found. ''From York County, Maine, 1850, there's a > listing for a James H. Knibb. Age 29, occupation saddler, birthplace England. > > Made [her] wonder if we've "lost" one of those saddler/harness maker > types.[!] This one seems to have had a bit of wanderlust in him. His wife, > Mary S, was born in Maine, but their (2 yr old) son, Henry W. was born in New > Hampshire. > > It will be interesting to see if/where he shows up in later years''. > Meanwhile any ideas out there, 'cos I can't locate any of them?

...and a few other things to hopefully stirr up some interest. Doubtless, I'll put my foot in it somewhere along the line - the strirrup that is! Look what Marsha has found. ''From York County, Maine, 1850, there's a listing for a James H. Knibb. Age 29, occupation saddler, birthplace England. Made [her] wonder if we've "lost" one of those saddler/harness maker types.[!] This one seems to have had a bit of wanderlust in him. His wife, Mary S, was born in Maine, but their (2 yr old) son, Henry W. was born in New Hampshire. It will be interesting to see if/where he shows up in later years''. Meanwhile any ideas out there, 'cos I can't locate any of them? Nor can I get into this 'new' site which was reported on Ancestry.com and is meant to refer to Rensselaer County, New York http://rootsweb.com/~nyrenss2.html Ana could you please take a look from time to time, as it was knowing that your relatives had a connection there which caught my eye. There are a couple of new items on my [our] website but nothing much that we haven't discussed already. There's a new link amongst others to the a2a website. It produced a few nuggets and gave me several leads to follow up. And here's an exerpt from an enquiry re KNIBB'S battery, the full text of which I can supply to those related. ''My great grandfather, John Binford Knibb of Goochland County, VA was born on November 7, 1823. At the age of 37, he answered the Commonwealth of Virginia' s "Call to Arms" during the War Between the States by volunteering as a private in the Goochland-Turner Light Artillery, under the command of Capt. Walter Daniel Leake. Knibb was mustered into service at the county courthouse in August of 1861. The unit, then, went to Charleston, SC with Robert E. Lee and helped to defend that city for the next year. The only engagement that John Knibb fought in was the Battle of Port Royal Ferry as he was transfered out in May of '62. Since he was an experienced blacksmith prior to hostilites, the Adjutant & Inspector General of the Confederate States issued Special Order Number 101 which sent John Knibb to the Tredegar Iron Works in Richmond, VA to help in the forging of cannon and iron plating for the gunboats of the James River Squadron..............'' Take a look at http://www.dnzb.govt.nz/dnzb/ if you have a connection with Hannah Haynes NIBBS in New Zealand. There's a biography about her 6th son Elsdon BEST. Joyce told us about missing Akeley males in the Batch numbers website. Here's a 'standard' reply which I saw on their FAQ sheet. "Thank you for your note. Your observations are correct and at least to some degree explainable. More females attend LDS temples than males creating an imbalance in the inventory system. To solve that issue, the batches were split into male and female (J and K batches). The females were sent to the temples, and in some cases the male portion of the batch has not yet been sent, but is waiting in the inventory." I'm [ie Hugh is] not personally convinced this totally explains it but that is the official explanation anyway. That same user also forwarded me this observation; "Incidentally, I have since discovered that some of the missing males are in the Vital Records Index - for example for Dauntsey, Wiltshire, 1653-1885, females only are in the IGI, both males and females are in the VRI." So there you have it, unless Joyce received a different answer. All for now. bfn Alan Host at THE K/NIBB/S ONE NAME STUDY http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~knibbetc/

How about Office Max or Office Depot ?? gmnibbs ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 12:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [K/NIBB/S] Off topic but not as off the wall as it may seem. Which is more expensive - a ream of (4) hole-punched A4 paper, or the punch? Is there a reliable online stationer I could purchase one or the other from? Thanks in advance. -- *Marsha L. Ensminger __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with [email protected]! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

but not as off the wall as it may seem. Which is more expensive - a ream of (4) hole-punched A4 paper, or the punch? Is there a reliable online stationer I could purchase one or the other from? Thanks in advance. -- *Marsha L. Ensminger __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with [email protected]! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

How would you like a picture of your KNIBB grandfather aged 5yrs 8 months in 1857? That's what one of my correspondents is now being asked. And this thanks to Richard KNIBBS. Let me explain. Richard received a telephone call from someone who was trying to trace a descendant of a young Richard KNIBB from Fenny Compton, having found the picture of him which had been offered for sale in a Gainsborough shop following a house clearance. The details of the subject and his exact age were written on the back. The finder decided to try and trace a descendant and started by ringing locals in the vicinity and having drawn a blank [although he did indeed speak to a descendant who was elderly and not interested] wrote to a local paper. Someone [not a relation] replied having traced Richard KNIBB at Fenny Compton on the 1881 census. Both he and his brother Daniel were bachelor farmers at the time so it appeared that there were no direct descendants who would be interested in the picture. It was that this stage in the saga that Richard KNIBBS received a call from the finder and, not having any connection, Richard gave him my details for which I was duly grateful. Nothing happened for some days so I rang the finder myself. On hearing the story, I was able to confirm straightaway that both brothers married soon after 1881 and that indeed Richard was a father six times over before he died in 1929. Not only that but I had corresponded with one descendant in Canada and met another who lives in England. I don't yet know the final outcome but quite a yarn, eh? bfn Alan

Cathy > I'd have never guessed about tuppence > being the fee. No, no just me pondering. I hope Audrey's rhyme helped - at least no need to consult the banker for the addition. Was it sung in Half a Sixpence? Julia FOSTER who played opposite Tommy STEELE in the film used to live just across the road from us when we were kids. Now how can we relate ' film stars that we have known' to K/NIBB/S? bfn Alan