Hi Ritchie Lloyd Gordon Knibbs was my uncle. Yes, Huntoon is the name of a little village where Lloyd and all his siblings were born. What was written in the article? Yes, my uncle was a prison of war. During this time no one knew if he was dead or alive. bfn Joyce CousinEarl4@aol.com wrote: >Under a headline in the Lethbridge (Alberta) Herald, Wednesday, Sept. 16, >1942" More Canadian Soldiers Listed Missing at Dieppe," is Lloyd, either Cordon >or Gordon, Knibbs, from Huntoon (?), Saskatchewan, whose mother is Mary Jane >Knibbs. Ritchie > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > >

Tell Leah that Ernest's ancestors in Kidlington back in the eigteenth century would have been proud of him. I thought he was born on 2nd July not April. And from the Ministry of Defence website: Under-Secretary of State for Defence and Minister for Veterans Ivor Caplin MP is responsible for: .......... Veterans' Issues including Gulf Veterans' Illness/Porton Down Volunteers, Nuclear Test Veterans and POWs/War Graves/Medals/Memorials Contact department For general enquiries about aspects of defence policy or the Armed Forces, email public@ministers.mod.uk Please note that the MoD cannot reply by e-mail - your postal address must be included. Telephone For general enquiries about the MOD, please contact the MOD Public Enquiry team on 0870 607 4455 (open Monday to Friday - 9am to 5pm). If you wish to write to any of the Ministry of Defence's three Ministers, please send your letter to: The Ministerial Correspondence Unit, Room 222, Old War Office, Whitehall, London SW1A 2EU bfn Alan Alan Jackson Host at The K/NIBB/S One Name Study & Mailing List Website address http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~knibbetc Did you know? Earlier postings to the list are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/KNIBB-L/ Please follow log-on instructions when you first visit! > This is connected to KNIBBS otherwise I wouldn't have posted it. I am > looking for some help please. I received the attached from a lady named Leah > LOCKETT in Australia today. Can anyone help? > > My father Ernest Edward Knibbs born 02.04.1919, served in the Navy in WWII. > He never bothered to collect his medals, after the war, as I think when he > came back he was soon divorced. And also he just wanted to forget the War. > Is it possible to write to some one in England and collect these medals, > now. I think it would be a nice surprise for him. I know someone who has > done a similar thing here in Australia for their Grandfather. > Last week we went to an Anzac Day service at our daughters school , and I > managed to get him to come along as a special guest, which was amazing, > there were two other WWII serving gentlemen there and they were decked out > with their medals and I felt for my Dad. > I thought it might be a nice gesture - but as I am so far away, I don't know > whom I should write to, or where to begin. > If you have any idea's or suggestions, I would really appreciate them > Leah Lockett nee Knibbs.

Joyce might explain but clearly he was later 'found' as he married in 1942, father of two and lived until 1993. bfn Alan PS (Mary Jane was nee GORDON and yes Huntoon is correct.) > Under a headline in the Lethbridge (Alberta) Herald, Wednesday, Sept. 16, > 1942" More Canadian Soldiers Listed Missing at Dieppe," is Lloyd, either > Cordon > or Gordon, Knibbs, from Huntoon (?), Saskatchewan, whose mother is Mary Jane > >

Under a headline in the Lethbridge (Alberta) Herald, Wednesday, Sept. 16, 1942" More Canadian Soldiers Listed Missing at Dieppe," is Lloyd, either Cordon or Gordon, Knibbs, from Huntoon (?), Saskatchewan, whose mother is Mary Jane Knibbs. Ritchie

Alan, I would like a copy of this. Also hello to everyone. I have just subscribed to the list and am a descendant of another line of Nibbs who came to Tasmania. I will send more details in a future message. Regards, David Boon -----Original Message----- From: Jackari2@aol.com [mailto:Jackari2@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, 29 April 2004 2:58 AM To: KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [K/NIBB/S] William NIBBS - swing rioter Stuart sent me a couple of items in PDF format from 'The Times' archive which will be of interest to those on list related to him. They are Law Reports of the case which resulted in his transportation to Tasmania. If you would like a copy, please ask and I'll send off-list. bfn Alan Alan Jackson Host at The K/NIBB/S One Name Study & Mailing List Website address http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~knibbetc Did you know? Earlier postings to the list are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/KNIBB-L/ Please follow log-on instructions when you first visit! ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Laura ............> > > I do however have a death certificate of Eugene showing his parents has > George and Hannah. A mother at 53 then - fair enough. bfn Alan > > Laura > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Jackari2@aol.com> > To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 7:07 AM > Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Knibbs/Huff family] > > > > Laura > > > > Many thanx for sharing this with us. I didn't have Hattie but there are 2 > > others in US Census returns. > > > > It's not impossible that Eugene was the son of Hannah born when she was 52 > > but Susan makes a good point by drawing our attention to her age. > > > > I have harboured the thought that Eugene might have been the son of > Hannah's > > son George born in 1825 - the parish record actually says Ann but I think > > it's Hannah. This is his record as I have it within the database. > > > > George KNIBB > > Born c1825 > > Baptised 14Mar1825 Balscott, Oxford, England > > Died Possibly returned to England and died 1909. > > Buried > > Occupation ?At Binghampton Ward 3 Broome NY 1870 as NIBBS a > widowed > > shoemaker > > > > Married bef1846 > > > > Mary Elizabeth UNKNOWN (Shown as Mary for first birth and Mary E for > second) > > Born bef1828 > > Baptised > > Died > > Buried > > > > Children > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > -- > > > > Charles M KNIBB > > Born 20Nov1845 Minisink > > Baptised > > Died > > Buried > > Occupation > > > > Un-named KNIBB > > Born Oct1847 Minisink > > Baptised > > Died > > Buried > > Occupation > > > > If you or Susan can find out more about the 1870 US census entry shown and > > info from any official registers, this would help to determine whether the > > references indeed relate to George, son of George and Hannah and his > family. > > Perhaps Eugene was born to George jnr. on 20 Feb 1850. > > > > Furthermore, please consider the following from the 1880 census - could > > Elizabeth be Mary Elizabeth I wonder? > > > > Elizabeth UNKNOWN > > Born c1827 NY > > Baptised > > Died > > Buried > > Occupation Keeps house Fishkill Dutchess NY 1880 > > Father > > Mother > > > > Children > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > -- > > > > > Sarah F KNIBBS > > Born c1852 NY > > Baptised > > Died > > Buried > > Occupation > > > > Anna J ('Annie') KNIBBS > > Born c1857 NY > > Baptised > > Died > > Buried > > Occupation Carpet Mill worker 1880 > > > > Thomas KNIBBS > > Born c1858 Dutchess Co > > Baptised > > > > > > Now they could well be three quite separate families (as indeed I have > them > > within the database) but if Susan is right in thinking that Hannah was too > old > > to be the mother of Eugene, then it's as well that we explore all > > possibilities and these seem the most likely. > > > > Whether it helps with securing a DAR link for Susan's friend is another > > matter. At least it's more honourable (I suppose) than Australians > seeking convict > > ancestors and Brits trying to find a link with the Royal Family, even via > > those born out of wedlock. > > > > bfn > > > > Alan > > > > > > > > Thank you so much for respondng my query on the Huff family. My name is > > > Susan Bingler. I live in Virgina near the blue ridge mountains. My > friend is > > > Joan Goodenough. She very much wants to join the DAR in Warrenton, VA > She > > > was born in New Windsor, Orange Co., NY. After her marriage she moved > away > > > from NY. Most of her lineage does not go back in the U.S. to the time > of the > > > Revolution, but consists of Irish Immigrants who arrived 1820-1850. The > only > > > paternal line she had was DECKER, a big name in Orange Co., NY. > > > Unfortunately, her's do not appear to have left probate records, or > owned land Nor were > > > they among the many Deckers that various journal articles have covered. > I > > > can not even connect her Harriet DECKER b. 1813 to the parents who are > > > supposed James DECKER and Rebecca LEE of New WIndsor, NY After much > frustration on > > > that line I told her we should try her maternal lineage. She did not > know > > > much about it. Sad story, her mother divorced and left the family w! > > > hen she was about 2 years old and they did not have much contact with > them. > > > Anyway She did have her mother's death certificate and from that I > found > > > that her Maternal grandparents were Harry Johnson & Harriet Knibbs who > married > > > about 1906 > > > > > > Census records revealed that Harriet Knibbs was the daughter of Eugene & > > > Amelia Knibbs. The KNIBBS family came from England after the Revolution. > It was > > > your wonderful posting of the gravestone which showed that Amelia was > Amelia > > > HUFF. I lived in the Hudson Valley (Milton, Ulster Co., NY) for 15 > years and > > > one of my near neighbors was a Huff - I knew that they had been in the > area > > > for generations. Further research revealed that several men named HUFF > served > > > as privates in the Orange Co., NY militia during the Revolution. > > > > > > The 1900 census of Cornwall, Orange Co., NY e.d. 3 page 9 listed > > > > > > Eugene Knibbs b. FEb 1849 NY Parents born England married 27 years > > > Amelia Knibbs. b. May 1847 NY Parents born NY 5 children, 4 still > > > living > > > Anne S. Knibbs. b. Jan 1880 NY daughter > > > Hattie Knibbs. b. Mar 1882 NY daughter > > > > > > by 1910 Eugene Knibbs was dead and Amelia was living with her married > > > daughter Hattie. > > > > > > 1910 U.S. Census Cornwall, 4th ward, Orange CO., NY e.d. 8 page 2 > > > Harry F Johnson 30 NY married 4 years > > > Hattie Johnson 28 NY 4 children 3 living > > > Clifford Johnson 3 NY son > > > Wesley Johnson 1 NY son > > > Dorthy Johnson 1 NY daughter > > > Amelia Knibbs 62 NY mother-in-law, widowed, 5 children , 3 living > > > > > > > > > I told Joan to order the death certificates for Eugene & Amelia Knibbs. > > > She will need them for her application, and hopefully they may name the > > > parents. I did a lot of searching and I could not find either Eugene > Knibbs or > > > Amelia Huff in the 1870 New York census. > > > I saw the Amelia Knibbs in the 1860 census of Monroe, Orange Co., NY - > only > > > she is listed as being 17 years old, and the one I was looking for > should be > > > 12 years old. - that does not mean it is not the same person, but it was > not > > > an exact match. > > > In anycase it seems we may be dealing with a girl who has at least one > > > parent who died, and she is no longer in the family unit. I did not > find any > > > other Huff in the area which would fit . I am wondering whether > guardianship > > > records might be of some help. If her parents died, or at least her > mother > > > died, a guardian may have been asigned and the record may mention of the > parents > > > were. The problem is not know what county to look in. Orange? Ulster? > > > Sullivan? > > > > > > Eugene Knibb was also not in a family unit in the 1860 census, I found > him > > > listed as Eugene Knibb age 11 living in the household of Nathaniel > Whitney of > > > Wawayanda, Orange Co.,, NY. There was a much older man named George > Knibb > > > age 60 born in England also living in Wawayanda who I suspect is his > > > grandfather. Georg's wife was Hannah age 63 - too old to have been > Eugene's > > > mother. In anycase the Knibb family came over after the Revolution, so > I can not > > > use them for the DAR application. > > > I do have access to the New York State census for 1855, 1865, 1875 > orange > > > co., NY at the DAR Library in Washington, D.C. It takes me about one > and a > > > half hours to get there. I checked in the towns of Cornwall, New > WIndsor, > > > and Newburgh and did not find Knibbs or Huff. The next time I go back > I will > > > try Wawayanda and Monroe. SInce There is no index to the state census I > > > search page by page. The state census will give the county of birth if > the > > > person was born in NY and also how long they have been living in the > town.. > > > I looked through the grantor and grantee land indexes but did not see > the > > > name Huff listed. I know from the Militia rosters of Orange CO., NY > that > > > there were HUFF men who served in the military from there. > > > > > > In the HIstory of Orange Co,. NY by Mr. Edgar > > > listed James, WIlliam and Zephaniah HUFF > > > > > > I looked through a book of Orange CO., NY will abstracts for the name > HUFF > > > but they were early before 1830 so of course Amelia is not mentioned > > > I was particularly interested in a will for an Abraham HUFF of Monroe, > > > Orange CO., NY will written 9 Mar 1826 probated 24 Jan 1826 > > > The will only mentioned his wife Millieson so I do not know if there > were > > > children. > > > > > > So that is what I have looked at so far, any help, clues etc. would be > > > most appreciated. Because Joan was estranged from the Knibbs/Huff > family > > > through no fault of her own she does not even have family stories to use > as clues > > > as to where they lived, what they did, where the cemetery was etc. > > > > > > Thank-you again for your response > > > > > > Susan > > > > > > > >

Marsha Yes indeed and the item confirms it. bfn Alan > I have Wallace's marriage down as 11 Nov... thought I got it from you. > > Richie's posting gives me some names to help trace the bride's ancestry; I > didn't have anything on her. > > I remember seeing stacks of the "Intelligencer" in my grandparent's > milkhouse when I was a child. I thought at the time it was kind of a strange name > for a newspaper... but had no trouble recalling it years later when I developed > my interest in genealogy. > > Jackari2@aol.com wrote: > > >Ritchie > > > >Thanx for this. In fact Wallace KNIBB who maried Marianne Ellen JARMAN 1 > Nov > >1940. On Marsha/Jo's and related researchers' tree. > > > >bfn > > > >Alan > > > > > >> According to the Edwardsville (Illinois) Intelligence for December 26, > >> 1940, > >> "Mr. and Mrs. DeWitt Farris, and daughter Miss Rose, had as their guest > on > >> Christmas Day, Mr. and Mrs. Wallace Knibbs, Medora. Mr. and Mrs. Knibbs > >> were > >> married on November 11, the sixtieth anniversary of the bride's > >> grandparents, Mr. > >> and Mrs. Farris. Other guest were Mr. and Mrs. Herbert Jarman and family > of > >> near Edwardsville. > >> > >> >

New York is one of the 10 states ancestry has not yet indexed for the 1860 census. Might be useful info there when the index finally appears. >----- Original Message ----- >From: <Jackari2@aol.com> >To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 7:07 AM >Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Knibbs/Huff family] > > >> Laura >> >> Many thanx for sharing this with us.  I didn't have Hattie but there are 2 >> others in US Census returns. >> >> It's not impossible that Eugene was the son of Hannah born when she was 52 >> but Susan makes a good point by drawing our attention to her age. >> >> I have harboured the thought that Eugene might have been the son of >Hannah's >> son George born in 1825 -  the parish record actually says Ann but I think >> it's Hannah.  This is his record as I have it within the database. >> >> George KNIBB >>   Born        c1825 >>   Baptised    14Mar1825 Balscott, Oxford, England >>   Died           Possibly returned to England and died 1909. >>   Buried >>   Occupation      ?At Binghampton Ward 3  Broome  NY 1870 as NIBBS a >widowed >>         shoemaker >> >>   Married     bef1846 >> >> Mary Elizabeth UNKNOWN  (Shown as Mary for first birth and Mary E for >second) >>   Born        bef1828 >>   Baptised >>   Died >>   Buried >> >> Children >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- >> -- >> >> Charles M KNIBB >>   Born        20Nov1845 Minisink >>   Baptised >>   Died >>   Buried >>   Occupation >> >> Un-named KNIBB >>   Born        Oct1847   Minisink >>   Baptised >>   Died >>   Buried >>   Occupation >> >> If you or Susan can find out more about the 1870 US census entry shown and >> info from any official registers, this would help to determine whether the >> references indeed relate to George, son of George and Hannah and his >family. >> Perhaps Eugene was born to George jnr. on 20 Feb 1850. >> >> Furthermore, please consider the following from the 1880 census - could >> Elizabeth be Mary Elizabeth I wonder? >> >> Elizabeth UNKNOWN >>   Born        c1827     NY >>   Baptised >>   Died >>   Buried >>   Occupation            Keeps house  Fishkill  Dutchess  NY 1880 >>   Father >>   Mother >> >> Children >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- >> -- >> >> Sarah F KNIBBS >>   Born        c1852     NY >>   Baptised >>   Died >>   Buried >>   Occupation >> >> Anna J ('Annie') KNIBBS >>   Born        c1857     NY >>   Baptised >>   Died >>   Buried >>   Occupation            Carpet Mill worker  1880 >> >> Thomas KNIBBS >>   Born        c1858     Dutchess Co >>   Baptised >> >> >> Now they could well be three quite separate families (as indeed I have >them >> within the database) but if Susan is right in thinking that Hannah was too >old >> to be the mother of Eugene, then it's as well that we explore all >> possibilities and these seem the most likely. >> >> Whether it helps with securing a DAR link for Susan's friend is another >> matter.  At least it's more honourable (I suppose) than Australians >seeking convict >> ancestors and Brits trying to find a link with the Royal Family, even via >> those born out of wedlock. >> >> bfn >> >> Alan >> >> > >> > Thank you so much for respondng my query on the Huff family.  My name is >> > Susan Bingler.    I live in Virgina near the blue ridge mountains.  My >friend is >> > Joan Goodenough. She very much wants to join the DAR in Warrenton, VA >She >> > was born in New Windsor, Orange Co., NY.  After her marriage she moved >away >> > from NY.  Most of her lineage does not go back in the U.S. to the time >of the >> > Revolution, but consists of Irish Immigrants who arrived 1820-1850.  The >only >> > paternal line she had was DECKER, a big name in Orange Co., NY. >> > Unfortunately, her's do not appear to have left probate records, or >owned land  Nor were >> > they among the many Deckers that various journal articles have covered. >I >> > can not even connect her Harriet DECKER b. 1813 to the parents who are >> > supposed James DECKER and Rebecca LEE of New WIndsor, NY  After much >frustration on >> > that line I told her we should try her maternal lineage.  She did not >know >> > much about it.  Sad story, her mother divorced and left the family w! >> > hen she was about 2 years old and they did not have much contact with >them. >> > Anyway  She did have her mother's death certificate and from that I >found >> > that her Maternal grandparents were Harry Johnson & Harriet Knibbs who >married >> > about 1906 >> > >> > Census records revealed that Harriet Knibbs was the daughter of Eugene & >> > Amelia Knibbs. The KNIBBS family came from England after the Revolution. >It was >> > your wonderful posting of the gravestone which showed that Amelia was >Amelia >> > HUFF.  I lived in the Hudson Valley (Milton, Ulster Co., NY) for 15 >years and >> > one of my near neighbors was a Huff - I knew that they had been in the >area >> > for generations. Further research revealed that several men named HUFF >served >> > as privates in the Orange Co., NY militia during the Revolution. >> > >> > The 1900 census of Cornwall, Orange Co., NY  e.d. 3 page 9 listed >> > >> > Eugene Knibbs   b. FEb 1849 NY  Parents born England married 27 years >> > Amelia Knibbs.   b. May 1847 NY  Parents born NY     5 children, 4 still >> > living >> > Anne S. Knibbs. b. Jan 1880 NY   daughter >> > Hattie Knibbs.     b. Mar 1882 NY  daughter >> > >> > by 1910  Eugene Knibbs was dead and Amelia was living with her married >> > daughter Hattie. >> > >> > 1910 U.S. Census  Cornwall, 4th ward, Orange CO., NY   e.d. 8 page 2 >> > Harry F Johnson  30 NY  married 4 years >> > Hattie  Johnson   28 NY     4 children 3 living >> > Clifford  Johnson  3 NY    son >> > Wesley Johnson 1 NY    son >> > Dorthy Johnson  1 NY     daughter >> > Amelia Knibbs    62 NY   mother-in-law, widowed, 5 children , 3 living >> > >> > >> > I  told Joan to order the death certificates for Eugene & Amelia Knibbs. >> > She will need them for her application, and hopefully they may name the >> > parents.   I did a lot of searching and I could not find either Eugene >Knibbs or >> > Amelia Huff in the 1870 New York census. >> > I saw the Amelia Knibbs in the 1860 census of Monroe, Orange Co., NY - >only >> > she is listed as being 17 years old, and the one I was looking for >should be >> > 12 years old. - that does not mean it is not the same person, but it was >not >> > an exact match. >> > In anycase it seems we may be dealing with a girl who has at least one >> > parent who died, and she is no longer in the family unit.  I did not >find any >> > other Huff in the area which would fit .  I am wondering whether >guardianship >> > records might be of some help.  If her parents died, or at least her >mother >> > died, a guardian may have been asigned and the record may mention of the >parents >> > were. The problem is not know what county to look in.  Orange?  Ulster? >> > Sullivan? >> > >> > Eugene Knibb was also not in a family unit in the 1860 census, I found >him >> > listed as Eugene Knibb age 11 living in the household of Nathaniel >Whitney of >> > Wawayanda, Orange Co.,, NY.    There was a much older man named George >Knibb >> > age  60 born in England also living in Wawayanda who I suspect is his >> > grandfather.  Georg's wife was Hannah age 63  - too old to have been >Eugene's >> > mother.  In anycase the Knibb family came over after the Revolution, so >I can not >> > use them  for the DAR application. >> > I do have access to the New York State census for 1855, 1865, 1875 >orange >> > co., NY  at the DAR Library in Washington, D.C.   It takes me about one >and a >> > half hours to get there.  I checked in the towns of Cornwall, New >WIndsor, >> > and Newburgh and did not find Knibbs or Huff.    The next time I go back >I will >> > try Wawayanda and Monroe.  SInce There is no index to the state census I >> > search page by page.  The state census will give the county of birth if >the >> > person was born in NY  and also how long they have been living in the >town.. >> > I looked through the grantor and grantee land indexes but did not see >the >> > name Huff listed.  I know from the Militia rosters of Orange CO., NY >that >> > there were HUFF men who served in the military from there. >> > >> > In the HIstory of Orange Co,. NY by Mr. Edgar >> > listed James, WIlliam and Zephaniah HUFF >> > >> > I looked through a book of Orange CO., NY  will abstracts for the name >HUFF >> > but they were early before 1830 so of course Amelia is not mentioned >> > I was particularly interested in a will for an Abraham HUFF of Monroe, >> > Orange CO., NY  will written 9 Mar 1826  probated 24 Jan 1826 >> > The will only mentioned his wife Millieson so I do not know if there >were >> > children. >> > >> > So that is what I have looked at so far,  any help, clues etc.  would be >> > most appreciated.  Because Joan was estranged from the Knibbs/Huff >family >> > through no fault of her own she does not even have family stories to use >as clues >> > as to where they lived, what they did, where the cemetery was etc. >> > >> > Thank-you again for your response >> > >> > Susan >> > >> >> >> >> ============================== >> Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial.  Click to learn more. >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >> > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial.  Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > -- *Marsha L. 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Alan, I have Wallace's marriage down as 11 Nov... thought I got it from you. Richie's posting gives me some names to help trace the bride's ancestry; I didn't have anything on her. I remember seeing stacks of the "Intelligencer" in my grandparent's milkhouse when I was a child. I thought at the time it was kind of a strange name for a newspaper... but had no trouble recalling it years later when I developed my interest in genealogy. Jackari2@aol.com wrote: >Ritchie > >Thanx for this.  In fact Wallace KNIBB who maried Marianne Ellen JARMAN 1 Nov >1940.  On Marsha/Jo's and related researchers' tree. > >bfn > >Alan > > >> According to the Edwardsville (Illinois) Intelligence for December 26, >> 1940, >> "Mr. and Mrs. DeWitt Farris, and daughter Miss Rose, had as their guest on >> Christmas Day, Mr. and Mrs. Wallace Knibbs, Medora.  Mr. and Mrs. Knibbs >> were >> married on November 11, the sixtieth anniversary of the bride's >> grandparents, Mr. >> and Mrs. Farris. Other guest were Mr. and Mrs. Herbert Jarman and family of >> near Edwardsville. >> >> > > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial.  Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > -- *Marsha L. Ensminger __________________________________________________________________ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp

Alan Thank you for your reply on this email from Susan. I will be forwarding this email to Susan, and see what she comes up with. I do however have a death certificate of Eugene showing his parents has George and Hannah. Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jackari2@aol.com> To: <KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 7:07 AM Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] Knibbs/Huff family] > Laura > > Many thanx for sharing this with us. I didn't have Hattie but there are 2 > others in US Census returns. > > It's not impossible that Eugene was the son of Hannah born when she was 52 > but Susan makes a good point by drawing our attention to her age. > > I have harboured the thought that Eugene might have been the son of Hannah's > son George born in 1825 - the parish record actually says Ann but I think > it's Hannah. This is his record as I have it within the database. > > George KNIBB > Born c1825 > Baptised 14Mar1825 Balscott, Oxford, England > Died Possibly returned to England and died 1909. > Buried > Occupation ?At Binghampton Ward 3 Broome NY 1870 as NIBBS a widowed > shoemaker > > Married bef1846 > > Mary Elizabeth UNKNOWN (Shown as Mary for first birth and Mary E for second) > Born bef1828 > Baptised > Died > Buried > > Children > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > -- > > Charles M KNIBB > Born 20Nov1845 Minisink > Baptised > Died > Buried > Occupation > > Un-named KNIBB > Born Oct1847 Minisink > Baptised > Died > Buried > Occupation > > If you or Susan can find out more about the 1870 US census entry shown and > info from any official registers, this would help to determine whether the > references indeed relate to George, son of George and Hannah and his family. > Perhaps Eugene was born to George jnr. on 20 Feb 1850. > > Furthermore, please consider the following from the 1880 census - could > Elizabeth be Mary Elizabeth I wonder? > > Elizabeth UNKNOWN > Born c1827 NY > Baptised > Died > Buried > Occupation Keeps house Fishkill Dutchess NY 1880 > Father > Mother > > Children > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > -- > > Sarah F KNIBBS > Born c1852 NY > Baptised > Died > Buried > Occupation > > Anna J ('Annie') KNIBBS > Born c1857 NY > Baptised > Died > Buried > Occupation Carpet Mill worker 1880 > > Thomas KNIBBS > Born c1858 Dutchess Co > Baptised > > > Now they could well be three quite separate families (as indeed I have them > within the database) but if Susan is right in thinking that Hannah was too old > to be the mother of Eugene, then it's as well that we explore all > possibilities and these seem the most likely. > > Whether it helps with securing a DAR link for Susan's friend is another > matter. At least it's more honourable (I suppose) than Australians seeking convict > ancestors and Brits trying to find a link with the Royal Family, even via > those born out of wedlock. > > bfn > > Alan > > > > > Thank you so much for respondng my query on the Huff family. My name is > > Susan Bingler. I live in Virgina near the blue ridge mountains. My friend is > > Joan Goodenough. She very much wants to join the DAR in Warrenton, VA She > > was born in New Windsor, Orange Co., NY. After her marriage she moved away > > from NY. Most of her lineage does not go back in the U.S. to the time of the > > Revolution, but consists of Irish Immigrants who arrived 1820-1850. The only > > paternal line she had was DECKER, a big name in Orange Co., NY. > > Unfortunately, her's do not appear to have left probate records, or owned land Nor were > > they among the many Deckers that various journal articles have covered. I > > can not even connect her Harriet DECKER b. 1813 to the parents who are > > supposed James DECKER and Rebecca LEE of New WIndsor, NY After much frustration on > > that line I told her we should try her maternal lineage. She did not know > > much about it. Sad story, her mother divorced and left the family w! > > hen she was about 2 years old and they did not have much contact with them. > > Anyway She did have her mother's death certificate and from that I found > > that her Maternal grandparents were Harry Johnson & Harriet Knibbs who married > > about 1906 > > > > Census records revealed that Harriet Knibbs was the daughter of Eugene & > > Amelia Knibbs. The KNIBBS family came from England after the Revolution. It was > > your wonderful posting of the gravestone which showed that Amelia was Amelia > > HUFF. I lived in the Hudson Valley (Milton, Ulster Co., NY) for 15 years and > > one of my near neighbors was a Huff - I knew that they had been in the area > > for generations. Further research revealed that several men named HUFF served > > as privates in the Orange Co., NY militia during the Revolution. > > > > The 1900 census of Cornwall, Orange Co., NY e.d. 3 page 9 listed > > > > Eugene Knibbs b. FEb 1849 NY Parents born England married 27 years > > Amelia Knibbs. b. May 1847 NY Parents born NY 5 children, 4 still > > living > > Anne S. Knibbs. b. Jan 1880 NY daughter > > Hattie Knibbs. b. Mar 1882 NY daughter > > > > by 1910 Eugene Knibbs was dead and Amelia was living with her married > > daughter Hattie. > > > > 1910 U.S. Census Cornwall, 4th ward, Orange CO., NY e.d. 8 page 2 > > Harry F Johnson 30 NY married 4 years > > Hattie Johnson 28 NY 4 children 3 living > > Clifford Johnson 3 NY son > > Wesley Johnson 1 NY son > > Dorthy Johnson 1 NY daughter > > Amelia Knibbs 62 NY mother-in-law, widowed, 5 children , 3 living > > > > > > I told Joan to order the death certificates for Eugene & Amelia Knibbs. > > She will need them for her application, and hopefully they may name the > > parents. I did a lot of searching and I could not find either Eugene Knibbs or > > Amelia Huff in the 1870 New York census. > > I saw the Amelia Knibbs in the 1860 census of Monroe, Orange Co., NY - only > > she is listed as being 17 years old, and the one I was looking for should be > > 12 years old. - that does not mean it is not the same person, but it was not > > an exact match. > > In anycase it seems we may be dealing with a girl who has at least one > > parent who died, and she is no longer in the family unit. I did not find any > > other Huff in the area which would fit . I am wondering whether guardianship > > records might be of some help. If her parents died, or at least her mother > > died, a guardian may have been asigned and the record may mention of the parents > > were. The problem is not know what county to look in. Orange? Ulster? > > Sullivan? > > > > Eugene Knibb was also not in a family unit in the 1860 census, I found him > > listed as Eugene Knibb age 11 living in the household of Nathaniel Whitney of > > Wawayanda, Orange Co.,, NY. There was a much older man named George Knibb > > age 60 born in England also living in Wawayanda who I suspect is his > > grandfather. Georg's wife was Hannah age 63 - too old to have been Eugene's > > mother. In anycase the Knibb family came over after the Revolution, so I can not > > use them for the DAR application. > > I do have access to the New York State census for 1855, 1865, 1875 orange > > co., NY at the DAR Library in Washington, D.C. It takes me about one and a > > half hours to get there. I checked in the towns of Cornwall, New WIndsor, > > and Newburgh and did not find Knibbs or Huff. The next time I go back I will > > try Wawayanda and Monroe. SInce There is no index to the state census I > > search page by page. The state census will give the county of birth if the > > person was born in NY and also how long they have been living in the town.. > > I looked through the grantor and grantee land indexes but did not see the > > name Huff listed. I know from the Militia rosters of Orange CO., NY that > > there were HUFF men who served in the military from there. > > > > In the HIstory of Orange Co,. NY by Mr. Edgar > > listed James, WIlliam and Zephaniah HUFF > > > > I looked through a book of Orange CO., NY will abstracts for the name HUFF > > but they were early before 1830 so of course Amelia is not mentioned > > I was particularly interested in a will for an Abraham HUFF of Monroe, > > Orange CO., NY will written 9 Mar 1826 probated 24 Jan 1826 > > The will only mentioned his wife Millieson so I do not know if there were > > children. > > > > So that is what I have looked at so far, any help, clues etc. would be > > most appreciated. Because Joan was estranged from the Knibbs/Huff family > > through no fault of her own she does not even have family stories to use as clues > > as to where they lived, what they did, where the cemetery was etc. > > > > Thank-you again for your response > > > > Susan > > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Accidental death ruling on OAP in bike smash A RETIRED postman died after being hit by a motorcyclist.Frederick Walsh, 79, of Mylis Close, Sydenham, died on September 17 last year, two weeks after the accident. The pensioner, who was leaving St Lawrence's Church, Bromley Road, Catford, at 9.45pm, suffered with angina and sciatica. He had been out dancing that evening with his friend, Gladys King, Southwark Coroner's Court heard on April 21. Mr Walsh's son, John, told the inquest his father suffered from a rare eye condition, called homonoimus hemiopia, which meant he had lost part of his vision. Rider Michael Knibbs told officers at the scene: "I was just coming down the road and saw the gentleman and the lady crossing the road. I applied the brakes but the bike skidded and it hit them. "Mr Walsh was taken to Lewisham Hospital with suspected head injuries as well as fractures to his legs. Pathologist Dr David Rouse gave the cause of death as bronchial pneumonia due to heart disease.PC Gary Lawrence, who conducted the traffic road investigation, said he found both of the front headlamps had been illegally covered with purple covers and the helmet visor was tinted, which was again illegal. He added: "The purple headlamps are considerably dimmer than normal headlamps and they can be obscured by an oncoming car. "Coroner Selena Lynch recorded a verdict of accidental death. 9:43am today

Stuart sent me a couple of items in PDF format from 'The Times' archive which will be of interest to those on list related to him. They are Law Reports of the case which resulted in his transportation to Tasmania. If you would like a copy, please ask and I'll send off-list. bfn Alan Alan Jackson Host at The K/NIBB/S One Name Study & Mailing List Website address http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~knibbetc Did you know? Earlier postings to the list are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/KNIBB-L/ Please follow log-on instructions when you first visit!

Laura Many thanx for sharing this with us. I didn't have Hattie but there are 2 others in US Census returns. It's not impossible that Eugene was the son of Hannah born when she was 52 but Susan makes a good point by drawing our attention to her age. I have harboured the thought that Eugene might have been the son of Hannah's son George born in 1825 - the parish record actually says Ann but I think it's Hannah. This is his record as I have it within the database. George KNIBB Born c1825 Baptised 14Mar1825 Balscott, Oxford, England Died Possibly returned to England and died 1909. Buried Occupation ?At Binghampton Ward 3 Broome NY 1870 as NIBBS a widowed shoemaker Married bef1846 Mary Elizabeth UNKNOWN (Shown as Mary for first birth and Mary E for second) Born bef1828 Baptised Died Buried Children ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Charles M KNIBB Born 20Nov1845 Minisink Baptised Died Buried Occupation Un-named KNIBB Born Oct1847 Minisink Baptised Died Buried Occupation If you or Susan can find out more about the 1870 US census entry shown and info from any official registers, this would help to determine whether the references indeed relate to George, son of George and Hannah and his family. Perhaps Eugene was born to George jnr. on 20 Feb 1850. Furthermore, please consider the following from the 1880 census - could Elizabeth be Mary Elizabeth I wonder? Elizabeth UNKNOWN Born c1827 NY Baptised Died Buried Occupation Keeps house Fishkill Dutchess NY 1880 Father Mother Children ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Sarah F KNIBBS Born c1852 NY Baptised Died Buried Occupation Anna J ('Annie') KNIBBS Born c1857 NY Baptised Died Buried Occupation Carpet Mill worker 1880 Thomas KNIBBS Born c1858 Dutchess Co Baptised Now they could well be three quite separate families (as indeed I have them within the database) but if Susan is right in thinking that Hannah was too old to be the mother of Eugene, then it's as well that we explore all possibilities and these seem the most likely. Whether it helps with securing a DAR link for Susan's friend is another matter. At least it's more honourable (I suppose) than Australians seeking convict ancestors and Brits trying to find a link with the Royal Family, even via those born out of wedlock. bfn Alan > > Thank you so much for respondng my query on the Huff family. My name is > Susan Bingler. I live in Virgina near the blue ridge mountains. My friend is > Joan Goodenough. She very much wants to join the DAR in Warrenton, VA She > was born in New Windsor, Orange Co., NY. After her marriage she moved away > from NY. Most of her lineage does not go back in the U.S. to the time of the > Revolution, but consists of Irish Immigrants who arrived 1820-1850. The only > paternal line she had was DECKER, a big name in Orange Co., NY. > Unfortunately, her's do not appear to have left probate records, or owned land Nor were > they among the many Deckers that various journal articles have covered. I > can not even connect her Harriet DECKER b. 1813 to the parents who are > supposed James DECKER and Rebecca LEE of New WIndsor, NY After much frustration on > that line I told her we should try her maternal lineage. She did not know > much about it. Sad story, her mother divorced and left the family w! > hen she was about 2 years old and they did not have much contact with them. > Anyway She did have her mother's death certificate and from that I found > that her Maternal grandparents were Harry Johnson & Harriet Knibbs who married > about 1906 > > Census records revealed that Harriet Knibbs was the daughter of Eugene & > Amelia Knibbs. The KNIBBS family came from England after the Revolution. It was > your wonderful posting of the gravestone which showed that Amelia was Amelia > HUFF. I lived in the Hudson Valley (Milton, Ulster Co., NY) for 15 years and > one of my near neighbors was a Huff - I knew that they had been in the area > for generations. Further research revealed that several men named HUFF served > as privates in the Orange Co., NY militia during the Revolution. > > The 1900 census of Cornwall, Orange Co., NY e.d. 3 page 9 listed > > Eugene Knibbs b. FEb 1849 NY Parents born England married 27 years > Amelia Knibbs. b. May 1847 NY Parents born NY 5 children, 4 still > living > Anne S. Knibbs. b. Jan 1880 NY daughter > Hattie Knibbs. b. Mar 1882 NY daughter > > by 1910 Eugene Knibbs was dead and Amelia was living with her married > daughter Hattie. > > 1910 U.S. Census Cornwall, 4th ward, Orange CO., NY e.d. 8 page 2 > Harry F Johnson 30 NY married 4 years > Hattie Johnson 28 NY 4 children 3 living > Clifford Johnson 3 NY son > Wesley Johnson 1 NY son > Dorthy Johnson 1 NY daughter > Amelia Knibbs 62 NY mother-in-law, widowed, 5 children , 3 living > > > I told Joan to order the death certificates for Eugene & Amelia Knibbs. > She will need them for her application, and hopefully they may name the > parents. I did a lot of searching and I could not find either Eugene Knibbs or > Amelia Huff in the 1870 New York census. > I saw the Amelia Knibbs in the 1860 census of Monroe, Orange Co., NY - only > she is listed as being 17 years old, and the one I was looking for should be > 12 years old. - that does not mean it is not the same person, but it was not > an exact match. > In anycase it seems we may be dealing with a girl who has at least one > parent who died, and she is no longer in the family unit. I did not find any > other Huff in the area which would fit . I am wondering whether guardianship > records might be of some help. If her parents died, or at least her mother > died, a guardian may have been asigned and the record may mention of the parents > were. The problem is not know what county to look in. Orange? Ulster? > Sullivan? > > Eugene Knibb was also not in a family unit in the 1860 census, I found him > listed as Eugene Knibb age 11 living in the household of Nathaniel Whitney of > Wawayanda, Orange Co.,, NY. There was a much older man named George Knibb > age 60 born in England also living in Wawayanda who I suspect is his > grandfather. Georg's wife was Hannah age 63 - too old to have been Eugene's > mother. In anycase the Knibb family came over after the Revolution, so I can not > use them for the DAR application. > I do have access to the New York State census for 1855, 1865, 1875 orange > co., NY at the DAR Library in Washington, D.C. It takes me about one and a > half hours to get there. I checked in the towns of Cornwall, New WIndsor, > and Newburgh and did not find Knibbs or Huff. The next time I go back I will > try Wawayanda and Monroe. SInce There is no index to the state census I > search page by page. The state census will give the county of birth if the > person was born in NY and also how long they have been living in the town.. > I looked through the grantor and grantee land indexes but did not see the > name Huff listed. I know from the Militia rosters of Orange CO., NY that > there were HUFF men who served in the military from there. > > In the HIstory of Orange Co,. NY by Mr. Edgar > listed James, WIlliam and Zephaniah HUFF > > I looked through a book of Orange CO., NY will abstracts for the name HUFF > but they were early before 1830 so of course Amelia is not mentioned > I was particularly interested in a will for an Abraham HUFF of Monroe, > Orange CO., NY will written 9 Mar 1826 probated 24 Jan 1826 > The will only mentioned his wife Millieson so I do not know if there were > children. > > So that is what I have looked at so far, any help, clues etc. would be > most appreciated. Because Joan was estranged from the Knibbs/Huff family > through no fault of her own she does not even have family stories to use as clues > as to where they lived, what they did, where the cemetery was etc. > > Thank-you again for your response > > Susan >

Dear Laura, Thank you so much for respondng my query on the Huff family. My name is Susan Bingler. I live in Virgina near the blue ridge mountains. My friend is Joan Goodenough. She very much wants to join the DAR in Warrenton, VA She was born in New Windsor, Orange Co., NY. After her marriage she moved away from NY. Most of her lineage does not go back in the U.S. to the time of the Revolution, but consists of Irish Immigrants who arrived 1820-1850. The only paternal line she had was DECKER, a big name in Orange Co., NY. Unfortunately, her's do not appear to have left probate records, or owned land Nor were they among the many Deckers that various journal articles have covered. I can not even connect her Harriet DECKER b. 1813 to the parents who are supposed James DECKER and Rebecca LEE of New WIndsor, NY After much frustration on that line I told her we should try her maternal lineage. She did not know much about it. Sad story, her mother divorced and left the family w! hen she was about 2 years old and they did not have much contact with them. Anyway She did have her mother's death certificate and from that I found that her Maternal grandparents were Harry Johnson & Harriet Knibbs who married about 1906 Census records revealed that Harriet Knibbs was the daughter of Eugene & Amelia Knibbs. The KNIBBS family came from England after the Revolution. It was your wonderful posting of the gravestone which showed that Amelia was Amelia HUFF. I lived in the Hudson Valley (Milton, Ulster Co., NY) for 15 years and one of my near neighbors was a Huff - I knew that they had been in the area for generations. Further research revealed that several men named HUFF served as privates in the Orange Co., NY militia during the Revolution. The 1900 census of Cornwall, Orange Co., NY e.d. 3 page 9 listed Eugene Knibbs b. FEb 1849 NY Parents born England married 27 years Amelia Knibbs. b. May 1847 NY Parents born NY 5 children, 4 still living Anne S. Knibbs. b. Jan 1880 NY daughter Hattie Knibbs. b. Mar 1882 NY daughter by 1910 Eugene Knibbs was dead and Amelia was living with her married daughter Hattie. 1910 U.S. Census Cornwall, 4th ward, Orange CO., NY e.d. 8 page 2 Harry F Johnson 30 NY married 4 years Hattie Johnson 28 NY 4 children 3 living Clifford Johnson 3 NY son Wesley Johnson 1 NY son Dorthy Johnson 1 NY daughter Amelia Knibbs 62 NY mother-in-law, widowed, 5 children , 3 living I told Joan to order the death certificates for Eugene & Amelia Knibbs. She will need them for her application, and hopefully they may name the parents. I did a lot of searching and I could not find either Eugene Knibbs or Amelia Huff in the 1870 New York census. I saw the Amelia Knibbs in the 1860 census of Monroe, Orange Co., NY - only she is listed as being 17 years old, and the one I was looking for should be 12 years old. - that does not mean it is not the same person, but it was not an exact match. In anycase it seems we may be dealing with a girl who has at least one parent who died, and she is no longer in the family unit. I did not find any other Huff in the area which would fit . I am wondering whether guardianship records might be of some help. If her parents died, or at least her mother died, a guardian may have been asigned and the record may mention of the parents were. The problem is not know what county to look in. Orange? Ulster? Sullivan? Eugene Knibb was also not in a family unit in the 1860 census, I found him listed as Eugene Knibb age 11 living in the household of Nathaniel Whitney of Wawayanda, Orange Co.,, NY. There was a much older man named George Knibb age 60 born in England also living in Wawayanda who I suspect is his grandfather. Georg's wife was Hannah age 63 - too old to have been Eugene's mother. In anycase the Knibb family came over after the Revolution, so I can not use them for the DAR application. I do have access to the New York State census for 1855, 1865, 1875 orange co., NY at the DAR Library in Washington, D.C. It takes me about one and a half hours to get there. I checked in the towns of Cornwall, New WIndsor, and Newburgh and did not find Knibbs or Huff. The next time I go back I will try Wawayanda and Monroe. SInce There is no index to the state census I search page by page. The state census will give the county of birth if the person was born in NY and also how long they have been living in the town.. I looked through the grantor and grantee land indexes but did not see the name Huff listed. I know from the Militia rosters of Orange CO., NY that there were HUFF men who served in the military from there. In the HIstory of Orange Co,. NY by Mr. Edgar listed James, WIlliam and Zephaniah HUFF I looked through a book of Orange CO., NY will abstracts for the name HUFF but they were early before 1830 so of course Amelia is not mentioned I was particularly interested in a will for an Abraham HUFF of Monroe, Orange CO., NY will written 9 Mar 1826 probated 24 Jan 1826 The will only mentioned his wife Millieson so I do not know if there were children. So that is what I have looked at so far, any help, clues etc. would be most appreciated. Because Joan was estranged from the Knibbs/Huff family through no fault of her own she does not even have family stories to use as clues as to where they lived, what they did, where the cemetery was etc. Thank-you again for your response Susan

From the Times archive Sioux sent me the item headed as above re Herbert Henry KNIBBS who died in 1961. I hadn't seen this and before and very helpful as it confirms where he fits in and two of his sisters. A descendant of Henry Theodore who we spoke about on list a while ago. bfn Alan Alan Jackson Host at The K/NIBB/S One Name Study & Mailing List Website address http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~knibbetc Did you know? Earlier postings to the list are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/KNIBB-L/ Please follow log-on instructions when you first visit!

Another K/NIBB/S police connection is my great-grandfather Walter Edward GUDGEON, son-in-law of Hannah Haynes BEST nee NIBBS, who was Commissioner of Police in New Zealand from 1887 to 1889. Prior to this, he served as an officer in the New Zealand Armed Constabulary during the Maori Land Wars of the 1860s. Rod Drummond ----- Original Message Follows ----- > Cecil Gilbert KNIBBS perhaps if the Police Sergeant came > from the Reading area? He later moved to Ashford in > Kent. Also a Walter KNIBBS from Newport Pagnell was a > policeman but I doubt that he belonged to the Metropolitan > force. > > bfn > > Alan > > > > Is anyone connected to PS Knibbs who was in the > > Metropolitan Police? I managed to save a copy of the > > picture of him receiving a cup from the King for having > the best trained police horse. Also a couple of articles > > about him and his horse at events. from the 1920's I > > believe. > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new > Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. > Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Alan :) It STILL won't work, so I've come to the conclusion that my ancestors, abducted by aliens, have overtaken the internet and restricted my access to certain sites. That way I can never find them ... grrrrrrrrrrrrr!!! If I don't laugh I'll probably cry, so ROTFL Take care, Rob. IBSSG Stuttgart, Germany Honey's Home of Genealogy www.honeyshome.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jackari2@aol.com To: KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] The Times Archives 1785-1985 - available for free today! Rob > Thanks for the direct link, that one worked!! :D But I didn't have a > password ... :(( I don't think I was meant to view it, was I? lol Maybe next > time! ;D > > This morning, the direct link prompts me for a password but http://libraryweek.galedemo.com/history.htm doesn't! I can get from there to the archives. bfn Alan ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

I was contacted at the weekend by a man named Peter Fewson who's ancestors were intertwined with mine way back in 1801 when John KNIBBS of Deddington married Ann FARDON. John passed me the following information about the FARDON Family and in particular, the will of Thomas FARDON where he bequeathed a sum of money to his grandchildren John and Mary KNIBBS. Don ""The Oxfordshire branch of the family were for many years Quakers living around Banbury from the early 1600s. One of them eventually moving to Deddington where for a few generations they were Clock and Watchmakers eventually moving on to Woodstock where they remained in the same trade until the early 20th C. Thomas FARDON, father of Ann FARDON and grandfather of John KNIBBS was b.c.1757 a Quaker but was baptised into the C of E Deddington 26 Jun 1777 - An Adult Baptism at the age of 20. He was an Ironmonger and Clockmaker of Deddington. He installed the clock, (made by an Oxford Co.), in the parish church in 1833. Extant today. One very ordinary looking wall clock made by Thomas and his brother, John is currently for sale in Guildford for £4,650.00. In his will, signed 5 Sep 1836, he bequeathed "....the payment of the Sum of Ten pounds to each of my grandchildren John KNIBBS and Mary ??TOWN?? the same to be paid to them respectively as soon as conveniently may be after my devise" Further on in the will: "....the payment of the sum of Eighty pounds which I give and bequeath to my said Grandchildren John KNIBBS and Mary ??TOWN?? the said sum to be equally divided between them share and share alike and to be paid to them respectively or their respective Executors or Administrators by my said Grandson Thomas FARDON within twelve months from the decease of his father John FARDON." We are not sure of the name of Mary ??TOWN?? Thomas FARDON (Snr.) died Dec Qtr 1838 His will was proved, London, 24 Apr 1839 His son, John FARDON, (John KNIBBS') uncle died Mar Qtr 1865. So your John would have received his second bequest of £40 in 1865/66.

Ritchie Thanx for this. In fact Wallace KNIBB who maried Marianne Ellen JARMAN 1 Nov 1940. On Marsha/Jo's and related researchers' tree. bfn Alan > According to the Edwardsville (Illinois) Intelligence for December 26, > 1940, > "Mr. and Mrs. DeWitt Farris, and daughter Miss Rose, had as their guest on > Christmas Day, Mr. and Mrs. Wallace Knibbs, Medora. Mr. and Mrs. Knibbs > were > married on November 11, the sixtieth anniversary of the bride's > grandparents, Mr. > and Mrs. Farris. Other guest were Mr. and Mrs. Herbert Jarman and family of > near Edwardsville. > >

Hi Jeff :) Thanks for the direct link, that one worked!! :D But I didn't have a password ... :(( I don't think I was meant to view it, was I? lol Maybe next time! ;D Take care, Rob. IBSSG Stuttgart, Germany Honey's Home of Genealogy www.honeyshome.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jackari2@aol.com To: KNIBB-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 1:16 AM Subject: Re: [K/NIBB/S] The Times Archives 1785-1985 - available for free today! Robyn > It's still there this evening Central European Time too, but I still can't > access it!! :((( Maybe they'll reply to my email before it ends, which it > appears it's going to be extended. That's good news for everyone else at > least!! :D > I know I'm coming to this late in the day but, having returned from Barcelona, I tried to access the site. >From the url, Don gave (http://libraryweek.galedemo.com/itshere.htm), I clicked on 'History, Biology and Literature and up came the Times Digital Archive as one of the choices. So try http://libraryweek.galedemo.com/history.htm or failing that http://web4.infotrac.galegroup.com/itw/infomark/0/1/1/purl=rc6_TTDA?sw_aep=free4_tda which is The Times archive page itself. I'll try to get round to commenting on the various postings from these pages but meanwhile thank all those who have contributed. bfn Alan Midnight Sunday. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237