Good to know you're on that list too. I'll try to remember, next time. It's surprising how many mixed up families are out there. It has been really quiet tonight. Guess I'll call it a night. Jerrian

Betsy, And this one too!! J ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Dhuey <walloon@mailbag.com> To: <GEN-NEWBIE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 1999 9:17 PM Subject: Complicated cousins > >>O.K. l have a quwstion for anyone who can answer this, > >>>Both my parents married sometime in 1956, some years later they divorced, > >>>then dad married my mum's first cousin, l figured that would make her my > >>>second cousin also my step-mother, they also adopted two children and had > >>>one natural child, > >>>Does this seem right or have l got it wrong, > > > Your mother's first cousin is your first cousin, once removed. This stays > the same, whether or not she also becomes your stepmother. > > -Steve > > P.S. Those three children they had are both your half siblings (half > brothers or half sisters), and your second cousins. > > > > ==== GEN-NEWBIE Mailing List ==== > If you'd like to search our archives, please visit > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > Type in gen-newbie and go from there. >

Betsy, Just had to forward this one to you from another list. Jerrian ----- Original Message ----- From: Anita and Wendell Guyer <awg@rosenet.net> To: <GEN-NEWBIE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 1999 8:03 PM Subject: more on cousins > Hi list > Anita being born and reared in Mexico of an American father of Celtic > descent and mother of Spanish descent insists that the relationship between > cousins and their children is second aunt or uncle and second niece or > nephew. Does anyone know if that is from Spanish or from a merging of > cultures? > Wendell > > > ==== GEN-NEWBIE Mailing List ==== > Remember, if someone posts a flame on the list, just ignore, or reply privately. > The list managers are watching, and will take care of it. When we reply to > those messages, we are adding to the problem. >

Someone on another list asked the question: If someone has a moment, could you advise me as to the meaning of "anförlust" And this reply came back: I don't know the English word for "anförlust", it would be something like "lost ancestors". It means, however, that if two of your ancestors were already related to each other, some of their ancestors will appear in more than one place on your pedigree chart. An example: If your parents were cousins because their fathers were brothers, you will have 2 parents, 4 greatparents, but only 6 greatgrandparents (instead of 8) (and in the next generation you will have 12 persons instead of 16). Your father's father's parents and your mother's father's parents would be the same persons, thereby you have "lost" two ancestors (and so on, back to Adam :-) ) Especially in rural communities "everybody was related to everybody" in some way, and you are very likely to meet examples of "anförlust", even if they are not as obvious as the example given above. Just thought you KISSINGCOUSINS-L people might get a kick out of this word. Have a nice day, and gosh, you are all so "quiet".... Betsy Hale Proud RootsWeb Contributor Listowner of KISSINGCOUSINS-L@rootsweb.com http://www.geocities.com/researchtriangle/forum/2288/index.html

I would love to talk with any descendants of the following people. As you can see, 3 Turners married 3 Tinkles. The Tinkles are brothers and sister. If I don't get right back to you, it is because I will be away from the computer until Monday. I will get back to you. Thanks. Descendants of William Jefferson Turner 1 William Jefferson TURNER b: 12 Sep 1857 in MS .. +Nicie Jane STEWART b: 14 Mar 1860 in MS m: 23 Dec 1877 in MS d: 1900 in Navarro Co.,TX ......... 2 Lizzie Emma TURNER d: 1919 in Emhouse, Navarro Co., TX ............. +Albert Jenkins TINKLE b: 17 Mar 1887 in Emhouse, Navarro Co., TX m: 29 Dec 1907 in Navarro Co, TX d: 19 Jan 1959 in Emhouse, Navarro Co., TX ......... 2 Minnie Mae TURNER b: 31 Aug 1878 ............. +George HERRING/HERREN m: 22 Dec 1902 in Navarro Co, TX ......... 2 Charles Booker TURNER b: 03 Jul 1880 in Navarro Co, TX ............. +Dora JOHNSON m: 25 Aug 1901 in Navarro Co, TX ......... 2 Allie Douglas TURNER b: 04 Mar 1883 in MS ............. +Wallace BROWN m: 18 May 1900 in Navarro Co, TX ......... 2 William Andrew TURNER b: 10 Nov 1885 in New Albany, Union Co., MS ............. +Mary Fannie TINKLE b: 21 Aug 1889 in Kingwillow, Navarro Co., TX m: 11 Dec 1907 in Navarro Co, TX d: 17 Dec 1975 in Navarro Co, TX ......... 2 James Walter TURNER b: 10 Mar 1889 ............. +Mae GRACE m: in Navarro Co, TX ......... 2 Amanda Jane TURNER b: Aug 1891 ............. +Alfred B. WILLIAMS m: 12 Sep 1909 in Navrro Co., TX ......... 2 Nicie Katherine TURNER b: 03 Jul 1894 in Albany Co., MS d: 09 Jun 1969 in Wood Lake, Trinity Co., TX ............. +Abe William WOOTEN b: 01 Jul 1889 in TX m: 24 Dec 1913 in Corsicana, Navarro Cty., TX d: 14 Sep 1967 in Wood Lake, Trinity Co., TX ......... 2 Lida Lee TURNER b: 1899 in TX ............. +John TINKLE b: 1894 in Navarro Co, TX m: 17 Dec 1916 in Navrro Co., TX d: Aft. 1976 ......... 2 Hughie Irving. TURNER b: 31 Dec 1900 in Navarro Co, TX ............. +Clemmie DEAVERS m: 02 Sep 1922 in Navarro, Co., TX *2nd Wife of William Jefferson Turner: .. +Amanda FINLEY b: 1857 in MS m: 1904 in Navarro Co., TX d: 1913 in Navarro Co., TX

Dear Betsy and all "listers"! The reason I joined this list is because I have a WARD family and a JONES family (terribly common surnames to begin with) where three of the WARD brothers married three of the JONES sisters. Aaaagh! I'm still trying to sort out which WARD married which JONES. The only one I know for sure is that John WARD married Elizabeth Jane JONES (abt. 1880) in Wisconsin. I'll re-post when I have more information on the other two marriages. If this sounds even vaguely familiar, I'd love to hear from you! Thank you, Roxanne -----Original Message----- From: Charmd1z@aol.com [mailto:Charmd1z@aol.com] Sent: Friday, June 04, 1999 6:50 PM To: KISSINGCOUSINS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [KISSINGCOUSINS-L] Welcome to all the new subscribers, Can you post your surnames please? Welcome to all new subscribers, could you please post your sunames? We have already been doing this once since the list was started a few days ago and one Cousin match has already been made within the group. Let's hopefully keep it going. Good Luck, Betsy Hale Proud RootsWeb Contributor Listowner of KISSINGCOUSINS-L@rootsweb.com http://www.geocities.com/researchtriangle/forum/2288/index.html ==== KISSINGCOUSINS Mailing List ==== My kissing cousins are also my missing cousins

Thanks Susan: Have you ever heard of a place called Little laurel? Rose

Akin, Asbury, Blankenship, Brewer, Elmore, Farmer, Garrett, Hare, Harris, Harrold, Hay, Hatcher, Horner, Hudson, Mann, Muse, Moracet(not sure of spelling), Snow, Summerfield, Turner, Watson, Wilkinson, Wolford. Thanks, Kaye in Okla.

I have lots of MANN's who married BLANKENSHIP's. Just thought that I would post so that maybe someone else might be searching MANN/BLANKENSHIP lines. Thanks, Kaye in Okla.

Hello Everyone, My name is Sharon Hagler and I am looking for descendants of my 4th Gr. Grandparents, 1st cousins (Cleveland Hagler and Nancy Hagler) and then Cleveland's sister Elizabeth married Nancy's brother, William (Billie) Hagler.. Cleveland was born, Oct 1, 1782 in Wilkes Co., NC and his wife Nancy was born abt. 1790 in Wilkes Co., NC.. I am really needing to find info on Cleveland and Nancy's twin daughters Mary E. HAGLER and Martha G. HAGLER. Mary and Martha married brothers, John and Jerimah RAY.. Mary married Jerimah Ray, Aug 25, 1851 in Warren Co., IL and Martha married John Ray,July 13, 1842, in Warren Co., IL I would also like to find any descendants of William (Billie) Hagler and his wife Elizabeth Hagler. Regards...Sharon E-Mail: shagler@micron.net HomePage: http://www.webpak.net/~shagler/index.htm Listowner for the HAGLER Mail list at Rootsweb; If subscribed, post a message at: HAGLER-L@rootsweb.com or HAGLER-D@rootsweb.com

Welcome to all new subscribers, could you please post your sunames? We have already been doing this once since the list was started a few days ago and one Cousin match has already been made within the group. Let's hopefully keep it going. Good Luck, Betsy Hale Proud RootsWeb Contributor Listowner of KISSINGCOUSINS-L@rootsweb.com http://www.geocities.com/researchtriangle/forum/2288/index.html

Charmd1z@aol.com wrote: > Are you on the Gen-Newbie list? No - feel free to cross post, thx. > The other thing, if you are working with a 10 year old > program, it's not giving you the best options to try to merge > individuals. {SNIP} > Betsy I have not used ANY geneology-specific program in 10 yrs. Using WordPerfect 6.1 which does great cross-referencing and indexing, but the first time I use any form (i.e. group sheets, research log, etc.) I have to create the blank form. I want to go back to a geneology-specific program. Gail -- Bill, Esther, & M. Gail w e p e r r i n @i-55.com Searching surnames: F r a z i e r, D a y, T r a v i s, L e a, L e e, B r u m f i e l d, Q u i n n MgailP@yahoo.com, MGailP@excite.com, MGailP@go.com, mgailpgo@go.com

Angela, I too am researching the Barnes surname. I don't have much at all yet. All I know is that Rachel "Cassie" barnes was born in Jackson, NC and married John Chastain (no date). Their daughter, Rachel Chastain was born about 1820 in Jacskonm NC...She later married Eldred (Sredwick) Cornett. Their son was William H. Cornett (b 7 Nov. 1855). William was my great grandfather. Any connections here? Debi awhaley@piedmont.net wrote: > Surnames I am working on: > > Covalt > Cowell > Davis/Davison > Pratt > Weekley > Underwood > Ford > Barnes > Whaley > Webb > Wyatt > Hamilton > Cole > > Angela Whaley > "as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord." > Joshua 24:15 > > ==== KISSINGCOUSINS Mailing List ==== > Can a first cousin, once removed, return?

Rose Adams in CA... Here in NC I've got an Adams guys with the following 'near hits' names... Charlie Quincy John Thomas John Clark John N.E. "Tuck" John J. John Norman John Russell and Quincy Washington Sorry I couldn't be more help! Susan IBSSG, KS, lover of cemeteries with character

Hello brand new list :-) My kissing cousins are Willy William Adams & Rosa Catherine Adams from MO. These Adams lived in Buchanan, Andrew and Ray counties. Rosa was born Dec 1876, Platte Township, Andrew County. I don't know about Willy yet, except that he was a first cousin on the Adams side. If I am figuring it out right, he would have to be the son of her fathers brother. Her father was Benjamin Franklin Adams b. 1839, MO. Mother was Lodusky Jane Cummins. They married Sept 5, 1859, Ray County, MO. They has these children: Benjamin Franklin ADAMS 1839 ,,Missouri --SPOUSE-- Lodusky Jane CUMMINS 1844 ,,MO,USA --CHILDREN-- 1-Ulysses H ADAMS 2-Madison J ADAMS 3-Charles G ADAMS 4-Rachel R ADAMS 5*Rosa Catherine ADAMS 6-Silvia R ADAMS 7-Elsa S ADAMS Benjamins parents and siblings were: James ADAMS ,,Tennessee,USA --SPOUSE-- Catherine THOMAS ,,North Carolina,USA --CHILDREN-- 1*Benjamin Franklin ADAMS 2Henry Clay ADAMS 3George Washington ADAMS 4-Samuel Madison ADAMS 5Cleopatra Ann ADAMS 6-Thomas Jefferson ADAMS 7Barsheba ADAMS 8-Mary Jane ADAMS 9John Quincy ADAMS 10-ADAMS So, as I figure it, it had to be the son of one of James' sons. Cousins Rosa & Willy had a son Willis Raymond Adams b. St Joseph, 1896. He told me his fathers name and said his grandfather was Madison or Matt. Any help out there? Rose Adams in CA.

Surnames I am working on: Covalt Cowell Davis/Davison Pratt Weekley Underwood Ford Barnes Whaley Webb Wyatt Hamilton Cole Angela Whaley "as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord." Joshua 24:15

Have you noticed in the RootsWeb Review Age Survey there were 4 90 & over readers (90-99 -- 1; 100-109 -- 1; 110-119 -- 1; and 120 and counting -- 1). This made me think - I've used WordPerfect for close to 10 years because I was tired of programs that automatically flagged anyone over 100 as an error in the date. Are there any programs that dont do this? Also, are there any programs that don't balk at double entries. IE - M ggmom and ggdad had siblings who married the other's siblings. With the programs I once used (admitidly 10 years ago) I had to put in info twice and would get an error like "you gave this couple 2 children with the same name & DOB." NO you stupid computer - they are the same! Gail -- Bill, Esther, & M. Gail w e p e r r i n @i-55.com Searching surnames: F r a z i e r, D a y, T r a v i s, L e a, L e e, B r u m f i e l d, Q u i n n MgailP@yahoo.com, MGailP@excite.com, MGailP@go.com, mgailpgo@go.com

Chet, Glad you found it. Hope it helps. At least we found one. Think I'll call it a night. It was a late one last night and I have to be at the airport to see my Grandaughter off and back to NC. at 10:00 AM. So goodnight, list. Jerrian

I believe I sent you a big long email with the rest of that information, earlier this afternoon. Jerrian

My Messenheimer is Barbara, who lived about the same time as your Catherine. Her parents were Conrad Messenheimer and his wife Elizabeth. My Reeves are French Canadian and connected to the Brunelles and DeMars. My Garn and Messenheimer are in my Mock line. Hill is associated with the Pucketts, Fowlers and Southwicks from virginia; and White goes back to the Mayflower. Pierce/Mock; Pierce/McKinnis; Pierce/Fowler; Pierce/Southwick. and that, I believe is the end of the common surnames. Jerrian