Dear Betsy and other "kissing Cousins": It's always amazing when I get information and I am deligently plugging away into my computer and all of a sudden the program asks me....."is this person the same as this person?" and VIOLA! Another "Kissing Cousin" is born! So far, mine have been in NC, MS, and LA. In NC: Hinton, Hardy and Alston's seem to have been "around" each other quite a lot. In Ms: Guice, Kinnison, McLaurin, Gilbert, Beck, Shaw and a few others. In La: Hinton, Frith, Cotten With all the people in the world today and the computers making it easier to find new "cousins", it's amazing when you think that only 100 years ago (if not less) the world was really a lot smaller place...people didn't have the ability or the funds to move around alot and lose contact as we do now. People in the same community married the people in the same community....brothers of one family marrying sisters of another family happened alot. Hey, I even have one that married and when her husband died, she married her husband's Uncle! Looking forward to the discussions on this site! Lisa Cotten Metairie, LA

Here is a list of all the surnames in my family tree. It is every surname I have in my tree, even if I have found only one person with that surname so far. Maybe if someone sees a combination of familiar names then we might have something to share. Let me know. I especially need help with my husband's family. my family: HENDERSON KING LYLES RAGLAND WILSON STEPHENS MAULDIN ORMAN PEELER PARKER JONES ROBINSON WILLIAMS LEMAY BRACKEEN BETTIS BASHAM USSERY TURNER my husband's family: CHIARO PALADINO DESALVO POZZA PIAZZA GHIDOTTI SOCCINI LAROCCA PACE CALDONIA Carrie Chiaro

My ggggg-grandfather was Lewis Allen LEMAY (b. 4/12/1784). He married Lucy Mary USSERY. They had nine children, three of which are in my direct line: Pleasant Mark LEMAY, b. 2/22/1810 Lewis Allen LEMAY, Jr., b. 1/30/1813 Woodford Ussery LEMAY, b. 5/4/1816 Pleasant LEMAY married Mary E.M. BETTIS. They had a son, Samuel LEMAY, b. ? Lewis Allen LEMAY, Jr. married Nancy ____ They had a daughter, Martha LEMAY, b. ? Samuel LEMAY married Martha LEMAY. (1st cousins) They had a son, Andrew Hiram LEMAY, b. 7/27/1859. Woodford Ussery LEMAY (brother of Pleasant, and Lewis, Jr.) married Nancy Ann BASHAM. They had a daughter, Elizabeth Caroline LEMAY, b. 6/16/1839. Elizabeth LEMAY married Jonathan Legget BRACKEEN. They had a daughter, Laura Ann BRACKEEN, b. 7/15/1861. Laura BRACKEEN married Andrew LEMAY. (2nd cousins) Laura and Andrew are my gg-grandparents. I think there may be some other kissing cousins as well, but I don't know for sure yet. Lewis Allen LEMAY, Sr.'s mother was Christian USSERY, and Lewis also married a USSERY, Lucy Mary USSERY. I'm still working on this one. Also, I can't take all the credit for this information. My cousin researched the LeMay line. Now I am working on some of the others, like USSERY and BRACKEEN. Carrie Chiaro

My Grandfather on Mom's side of the family came from a VERY Catholic Family, He met and fell in love and eventually married a Methodist woman. The older family members "Disowned" him for marrying a non-Catholic. My Grandfather was a very proud and hard working man who believed in God and Family. Stories from cousins say that they can remember him walking out of the Methodist church on Sundays still singing as loud as he could. He was once asked Why he did this, His response was "Singing was not allowed in the Churches that he had grown up in." This took place in the 1930's so you can see how much religion has changed. Chet

In case you think you are TC ("Technologically Challenged"), the following is an excerpt from an article in the Wall Street Journal: 1. Compaq is considering changing the command "Press Any Key" to "Press Return Key" because of the flood of calls asking where the "Any" key is. 2. AST technical support had a caller complaining that her mouse was hard to control with the dust cover on. The cover turned out to be the plastic bag the mouse was packaged in. 3. Another Compaq technician received a call from a man complaining that the system wouldn't read word processing files from his old diskettes. The customer had stuck labels on the diskettes, then rolled them into his typewriter to type on the labels. 4. Another customer was asked to send a copy of her defective diskettes. A few days later, a letter arrived from the customer along with photocopies of the floppies. 5. A Dell technician advised a customer to put his troubled floppy back in the drive and close the door. The customer asked the tech to hold on, and was heard putting the phone down, getting up and crossing the room to close the door to his room. 6. Another Dell customer called to say he couldn't get his computer to fax anything. After 40 minutes of trouble- shooting, the tech discovered the man was trying to fax a piece of paper by holding it in front of the monitor screen and hitting the "send" key. ============================ Ken ken@guardianmfg.com Melbourne, FL

Only 3 lists? *L* I am on 17 different mailing lists...all genealogy except one which is a B24 mailing list (long story on that one). As for religion, I think discussion of religion is not a problem as long as we stick to the subject in relation to our ancestors. Religion played a big part in a lot of our ancestors coming to this country and I find it interesting to discover information about their religions. However, I don't believe this is the forum to try and convert someone to your beliefs. As long as we can keep the discussion in perspective, I don't see a problem. The advice on the B24 list is...'if you don't line the subject matter, hit the delete key' *L* I guess we can do that if we feel the religious discussions are getting off base? Hope I didn't offend anyone. Well, I have a client I have to see at 6 so I think I better get dressed! I am sitting here in shorts and a tee and that just won't do! *L* Debi Charmd1z@aol.com wrote: > Heretic, Rose? NO WAY!!! > > I think you were worried about the discussion getting out of hand and being > offending. > That's what I got out of it. > > By the way, you'll be interested to know this isn't happening only on this > list today, I'm on 3 different lists that are dealing with the problem of > "too hot" topics. > Must be the moon or something. LOL (oops, but that might make me an > Astrologer- ROFL - sorry, I couldn't resist!!! :) > > Have a nice day Rose, and no, I don't think any worse of you, > > Betsy > > ==== KISSINGCOUSINS Mailing List ==== > Cussin - what genealogists do when they can't find one.

>>>Do you mean to say you don't think we should discuss Religion at all? Or that we should do it under the guidelines I imposed earlier?>>> Have been away for a time ... so if this has been talked about before .... oopppsss .... but religion certainly played a role in my family's immigration to the US ..... BUT do I want to hear scripture quoted to tell me of my variant ways ... NO ..... but I do appreciate the history that caused so many people to move their families ... to a free country. Too many religious wars or jihads have been fought without that illusive ONE answer for all. Let us keep our discussions on the trail of our roots and not on the content of the pulpit. Just my humble opinion, Ken Gerdes ken@guardianmfg.com Melbourne, FL

> Has anyone found out that they unknowing married their own cousin on this > list? My husband and I grew up knowing each other since first grade. We've been married for 8 years and just last year did I finally figure out that we are 20th cousins, two different ways. My parents are related several ways, grandparents related and so on. I really freak out people, when I tell them my mother-in-law is not only my mother-in-law, she's my 19th cousin. Good thing we get along. LOL. It's also cool that my brother and husband were very good friends during high school and afterwards, and then I got to tell them they are blood also. But, the best is when I really freak people out and tell them that I gave birth to my 21st cousins. Tracy

Has anyone found out that they unknowing married their own cousin on this list? I just found out last year after being married for 11 years that my husband and I connect back to a common ancestor in the 1600's. I was connected by Phillippe Du Trieux first wife My husband by his second wife. Then to my surprise I found out a few months later Phillippe's second wife is also my ancestor. All if not completely documented as of yet, but who would know. Lisa MORAY-CGA (Ray county, MO) INPORTER (Porter county, IN) List Manager

Is anyone else on this list tackling the their Dutch ancestory from New Netherlands. My cousins, who married cousins, making me connect to the first progenator to this country were: Van Kouwenhoven/Covenhoven/Conover Du Truiex Hendrickson Mebie Veeder Wyckoff

>From Baker's Concise Dictionary of Religion: BAPTISTS- Christians, once called ANABAPTISTS or antipaodobaptists, who emphasize baptism by immersion in water upon the personal profession of faith of the candidate. One of the early Protestant divisions opposing infant baptism and upholding personal and ecclesiatical freedom, Baptists have emphasized the sole authority of the Bible, personal Christian experience, and the primary authority of the local church. many early Baptists were martyred in the cause of religious freedom. Today Baptists constitute one of the largest groups of Christians in the world, with more than 40 million members. See also names of individual Baptist groups. My note: The anabaptists (later known as Baptists) most certainly came out of and opposed the practices of the Roman Catholic Church. There is another booklet called the Trail of Tears that gives the history of the these churches. It also has several pages with a chart that shows which church broke off from which group (the continuing saga of disagreement) but each Protestant group eventually goes back to the RCC. The break with the church had to do with disagreements concerning doctrine as the RCC turned to human tradition as the standard to live by rather than the inerrant doctrines of the Bible. The Bible is considered the unchanging Word of God, personally spoken by Him to men (inspiration literally translates as "God-breathed"), who in turn wrote it down (II Timothy 3:16, 17; I Thessalonians 2:13). I hope this helps. Respectfully, Angela Whaley. M.S. Counseling Professional Counselor

Heretic, Rose? NO WAY!!! I think you were worried about the discussion getting out of hand and being offending. That's what I got out of it. By the way, you'll be interested to know this isn't happening only on this list today, I'm on 3 different lists that are dealing with the problem of "too hot" topics. Must be the moon or something. LOL (oops, but that might make me an Astrologer- ROFL - sorry, I couldn't resist!!! :) Have a nice day Rose, and no, I don't think any worse of you, Betsy

To Rose, and Everyone, I originally was going to post this to you in private, but thought better of it to post on the list. I have a feeling this is something that many people on this list would do well to know. When you say of religion: " religion played in our past history of course, but just don't feel it belongs on our list as a matter of discussion.... " Do you mean to say you don't think we should discuss Religion at all? Or that we should do it under the guidelines I imposed earlier? If you are going to say "not at all" then I have to implore you to reconsider for the following reasons: I've got French Huguenots in my family who are part of my Kissing Cousins, I also have Palatinate Germans who are my Walter/Walter family. Their religions have a great deal to do with 1. Why they left their respective countries in the first place (religious persecution) and 2. Where they moved to - Most Palitinates as I'm finding out now through the internet, moved to Pennsylvania as my Walter family also did. When we are discussing the family, we are talking about a social group with social conditions, and social tendencies. One of those tendencies that IS studied if you are studying Family in any higher educational institution, is Religion. It's recognized as a valid subject in both Anthropology and Sociology. I don't want to see anyone get offended either, but I feel that we should all be thick-skinned enough to at least withstand what any college course would teach us, afterall, we are here to learn, and not supress, correct? My only wish for everyone here is to have the ability to educate themselves, through research. I hope you don't feel that I've stepped on your toes, and if you do, I apologize, but I cannot allow suppression of such an important social matter on this list. Curbed of the opinions, we can discuss it without hurting anyone, as long as we remember not to be offending. Betsy Hale KISSINGCOUSINS-L

Whether we like it or not Religion goes hand in hand with the research that we are doing. Early settlers to the Colonies were very Religious and that continued for on for many years. Prior to the years when Cities, Counties, or States started to keep records the Church records are the place to look. Knowing what religion our ancestors were can tell us many things about them. Many religions had certain rules, that if broken, resulted in that person being "Kicked out" of the church. These actions by the Churches split up many families. It seems that the most horrible thing you could do was marry someone who was not a member of your Religion. Thus people started a new Religion based loosely on the same rules created by the Religion they were just "Kicked out" of. Sorry I got kind of carried away there. I will step down now and return to my research. Chet Feathers

--WebTV-Mail-2039240696-14775 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit what does religion have to do with family searches unless ones looking for a member whos a religeous? can we not dispense with that subject before we make someone angry whodoesnt agree with that particular sect? --WebTV-Mail-2039240696-14775 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-102-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.98) by postoffice-221.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 04:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <KISSINGCOUSINS-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) by mailsorter-102-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id EAA02104; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 04:53:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04600; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 04:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 04:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <375BA373.47977AAD@i-55.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 05:48:19 -0500 From: Gail Perrin <weperrin@i-55.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: RootsL Distribution <Roots-L@rootsweb.com>, Kiss Coz List <KISSINGCOUSINS-L@rootsweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [KISSINGCOUSINS-L] Re: Baptists are Protestants Resent-Message-ID: <actiFD.A.rHB.2K7W3@bl-14.rootsweb.com> To: KISSINGCOUSINS-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: KISSINGCOUSINS-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <KISSINGCOUSINS-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/128 X-Loop: KISSINGCOUSINS-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: KISSINGCOUSINS-L-request@rootsweb.com MScheffler wrote: > BAPTISTS ARE PROTESTANTS. {snip} > The problem is that > there are many different "brands" of Baptists with widely divergent > views. How true! > Differences between various kinds of Baptists can be greater > than between the more traditional Baptist denominations and the > Catholic Church. > M. Scheffler Good Point. You're right. There are many types of Baptists, none of which believe exactly the same. (Otherwise they would be the same type, right?) At least on paper one of the principals is that all Christian religions have some validity. This opens us up to many sects in our own denomination before you start on "outside" groups. Of course when have we humans been consistently followed such statements in real life. We are getting better, but even my mother remembers a time when children were told horror stories about other churches (Lutheran & Catholic). I failed to say French Corner is in the Southern Baptist Convention. But even within the convention opinion is often varied. Gail -- Bill, Esther, & M. Gail w e p e r r i n @i-55.com Searching surnames: F r a z i e r, D a y, T r a v i s, L e a, L e e, B r u m f i e l d, Q u i n n MgailP@yahoo.com, MGailP@excite.com, MGailP@go.com, mgailpgo@go.com ==== KISSINGCOUSINS Mailing List ==== My kids will appreciate the research I've done........when pigs fly.. --WebTV-Mail-2039240696-14775--

MScheffler wrote: > BAPTISTS ARE PROTESTANTS. {snip} > The problem is that > there are many different "brands" of Baptists with widely divergent > views. How true! > Differences between various kinds of Baptists can be greater > than between the more traditional Baptist denominations and the > Catholic Church. > M. Scheffler Good Point. You're right. There are many types of Baptists, none of which believe exactly the same. (Otherwise they would be the same type, right?) At least on paper one of the principals is that all Christian religions have some validity. This opens us up to many sects in our own denomination before you start on "outside" groups. Of course when have we humans been consistently followed such statements in real life. We are getting better, but even my mother remembers a time when children were told horror stories about other churches (Lutheran & Catholic). I failed to say French Corner is in the Southern Baptist Convention. But even within the convention opinion is often varied. Gail -- Bill, Esther, & M. Gail w e p e r r i n @i-55.com Searching surnames: F r a z i e r, D a y, T r a v i s, L e a, L e e, B r u m f i e l d, Q u i n n MgailP@yahoo.com, MGailP@excite.com, MGailP@go.com, mgailpgo@go.com

To Everyone: First of all I want to say that if anyone was offended by anything that has been said so far, I apologize. To the people involved in the discussion, please don't take this as anything more than an informational approach to try to curb the type of response we recieved on this matter earlier. I'm not slapping any wrists, I just think we need to have a defining factor as to what type of religious discussion is acceptable in this forum. With that in mind, I want to say that in matters of Genealogy, Religions are discussed from time to time. We should look at them from the historical viewpoint as far as trying to understand them for genealogical purposes ONLY. As we all have varying viewpoints on such matters as religion and politics, it would not be fair to use this list as a forum to put out any "opinions" of sects, as this List is being used primarily for the purpose of Historical Family Research. Discussion of such things as the Religious persecutions that certain sects went through, or why Polygamy might have been involved might come in very handy in studying Family History, but let's keep it to matters of Historical value, rather than personal opinion, for the sake of all Please. Thank You, and if you feel the need to discuss this further, please E-mail me in private. Betsy Hale Listowner KISSINGCOUSINS-L

OK I finally got around to asking my pastor this question. His credibility - Rev. Charles Bigner is now 63, saved at 14, called to preach at 15, entered Seminary right after graduating high school (17-18?). I'm going to shout because this was new to me to. BAPTIST ARE NOT PROTESTANTS! Protestants are those religions that protested the Catholic Church like Episcopalian, Lutherans, etc. Bro. Charles said Prot. Baptist were probably Protestant Baptist protesting the Baptist church it self in the same manner some Baptist churches have gone Charismatic in recent years. Gail -- Bill, Esther, & M. Gail w e p e r r i n @i-55.com Searching surnames: F r a z i e r, D a y, T r a v i s, L e a, L e e, B r u m f i e l d, Q u i n n MgailP@yahoo.com, MGailP@excite.com, MGailP@go.com, mgailpgo@go.com

Is anyone having trouble getting to the site? When I try I get a message that says 'A network error has occured....' I wanted to refer someone else to the site. Debi

HI Debi, Geocities is going thru a change right now. They just got bought out by Yahoo! and it may take a few days to work the kinks out. As it turns out they are changing some logo information on the sites and the computers seem to be overloaded. I've been able to get in most times but it's loading really slowly. Other times, I've tried to get in and couldn't. This has lasted for a couple of days now. Betsy Hale Proud RootsWeb Contributor Listowner of KISSINGCOUSINS-L@rootsweb.com http://www.geocities.com/researchtriangle/forum/2288/index.html