this was posted on the SHAMROCK list and I thought it might intrigue some of you... or even be relevant! Jana IRISH TO LIVERPOOL I have found that after 1840's that the Irish went into this one city. The Population was doubled and they were housed in the Scotland Road area. The housing was just awful, but it was housing. The Irish could find work on the docks, doing manual labor and were treated as uneducated and unskilled labor. But it was work. It cost less to go into Canada than it did to go into the US, and once in either place, the Irish would work and send for their relatives. Not all made it out of the country. Mine had children born in Liverpool. These children were needed to help out. Mine got a job as a fitter, which had a five year training period. This was a highly skilled machinist and he was able to work on ships or in factories. During the German war, they were again unemployed, and many of the Irish could work on the boats to pay for their passage. Now I did meet someone thru a list who has promised to send me a map of the streets(area) where the Irish lived in Liverpool and a drawing of the tenaments of Victoria Square where 157 flats were built for the Irish workers. If and when I receive this information, I shall gladly copy for anyone interested. I am Marianne Kendelhardt of 1166 East LuLu Avenue#3 in Las Vegas, Nevada 89119, and if you give it a month and then send me your address I shall send you what I receive. This person also went to the Liverpool records office for me and could not find Victoria Square listed or any of my relatives. So clever man went into the electoral records. It listed the name of the householder, his wife and anyone else of voting age. Of course women did not vote. I hope this will help someone and should I receive any more information, I shall let you know. Scotland Road and area is quite near Liverpool docks, where so many people including our Irish had found casual work. Much the same as they did in New York City. This was per half day and the labourers had to queque in the hope of getting work, but it was not guaranteed. Hence lots of poverty if there were no ships to work or your face didn't fit. Today, this area has been totally redeveloped. The closest Cemetery to this area may be the Kirkdale Cemetery. The Roman Catholic only cemetery at nearby Ford in the Borough of Bootie. It has been indexed by the very active Anglo-Catholic group in Liverpool Family History Society. Try these in your leisure Liverpool and Southwest Lancashire website http://www.compulink.co.uk/lexsys/lexsysge.htm Liverpool website http://www.liverpool.gov.uk another of the Liverpool sites http://www.merseyworld.com Livewrpool Echo newspaper, which includes old photos of Liverpool http://www.liverpool.com You may also write to the Liverpool Echo. Old Pals section to give them your family names in hopes that there's someone still living who recognizes them e-mail letters@liverpoolecho.co.uk