The list has been pretty quiet lately - maybe this'll wake you all up! Anyone got some good Irish Kirwin All Souls, All Hallows or All Saints tales or traditions to share??? This came from the Irish American Club.... "A group of Americans was touring Ireland. One of the women in the group was a real curmudgeon, constantly complaining. The bus seats are uncomfortable.The food is terrible. It's too hot. It's too cold. The accommodations are awful. The group arrived at the site of the famous Blarney Stone. "Good luck will be followin' ya all your days if you kiss the Blarney Stone,"the guide said. "Unfortunately, it's being cleaned today and so no one will be able to kiss it. Perhaps we can come back tomorrow." "We can't be here tomorrow," the nasty woman shouted. "We have some other boring tour to go on. So I guess we can't kiss the stupid stone." "Well now," the guide said, "it is said that if you kiss someone who has kissed the stone, you'll have the same good fortune." "And I suppose you've kissed the stone," the woman scoffed. "No, ma'am," the frustrated guide said, "but I've sat on it." heh heh! Jana

In searching for my cousin Laurence Kirwan, who was born in Dublin in 1903 and died (we think) in Philadelphia in about 1986, I wrote off to the Social Security Administration and obtained a copy of the 11/20/1936 Application for Social Security Number of Laurence Joseph Kirwan. He turns out to be the "wrong" Larry, but perhaps he "belongs" to someone else. Laurence Joseph Kirwan said that he was born 8/24/1909 at Worcester, MA, the son of John Kirwan and Catherine Coffey. In 1936, he worked at the Kennedy Co. in Worcester, and resided at 56 Uxbridge St., also in Worcester. I checked the Social Security Death Index, and found that this Laurence Kirwan died in 6/1967 in MA. By the way, my local PBS channel broadcasts an Irish show called Ballykissangel, which I find to be enjoyable (it's filmed in Wicklow). The female lead is an actress named Dervla Kirwan. Chris Kirwan

Marianne: I am wondering if you are not related to me and Beverly in Wichita. My mother's cousin lived in Las Vegas. Her mother was Rose Ellen Kerwin, her grandparents were John W. and Catherine Kerwin (from Joliet, to Hodgeman County, Kansas, to Wichita). My mother's cousin would have been born in late 1800's or early 1900's. Carole Shanahan

this was posted on the SHAMROCK list and I thought it might intrigue some of you... or even be relevant! Jana IRISH TO LIVERPOOL I have found that after 1840's that the Irish went into this one city. The Population was doubled and they were housed in the Scotland Road area. The housing was just awful, but it was housing. The Irish could find work on the docks, doing manual labor and were treated as uneducated and unskilled labor. But it was work. It cost less to go into Canada than it did to go into the US, and once in either place, the Irish would work and send for their relatives. Not all made it out of the country. Mine had children born in Liverpool. These children were needed to help out. Mine got a job as a fitter, which had a five year training period. This was a highly skilled machinist and he was able to work on ships or in factories. During the German war, they were again unemployed, and many of the Irish could work on the boats to pay for their passage. Now I did meet someone thru a list who has promised to send me a map of the streets(area) where the Irish lived in Liverpool and a drawing of the tenaments of Victoria Square where 157 flats were built for the Irish workers. If and when I receive this information, I shall gladly copy for anyone interested. I am Marianne Kendelhardt of 1166 East LuLu Avenue#3 in Las Vegas, Nevada 89119, and if you give it a month and then send me your address I shall send you what I receive. This person also went to the Liverpool records office for me and could not find Victoria Square listed or any of my relatives. So clever man went into the electoral records. It listed the name of the householder, his wife and anyone else of voting age. Of course women did not vote. I hope this will help someone and should I receive any more information, I shall let you know. Scotland Road and area is quite near Liverpool docks, where so many people including our Irish had found casual work. Much the same as they did in New York City. This was per half day and the labourers had to queque in the hope of getting work, but it was not guaranteed. Hence lots of poverty if there were no ships to work or your face didn't fit. Today, this area has been totally redeveloped. The closest Cemetery to this area may be the Kirkdale Cemetery. The Roman Catholic only cemetery at nearby Ford in the Borough of Bootie. It has been indexed by the very active Anglo-Catholic group in Liverpool Family History Society. Try these in your leisure Liverpool and Southwest Lancashire website http://www.compulink.co.uk/lexsys/lexsysge.htm Liverpool website http://www.liverpool.gov.uk another of the Liverpool sites http://www.merseyworld.com Livewrpool Echo newspaper, which includes old photos of Liverpool http://www.liverpool.com You may also write to the Liverpool Echo. Old Pals section to give them your family names in hopes that there's someone still living who recognizes them e-mail letters@liverpoolecho.co.uk

take a look at this link... amazing! Jana http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/9969/IRISH-LINKS.html

Hi list FYI - This came highly recommended, it looks interesting and informative. I like the "self-paced" bit (matches my pre-senior moments!) Jana http://www.idea.edu/courses/general/gen/208/gen208.htm

Hi list - a little October humor to get you in the mood for All Hallows Eve??? Jana On the grave of Ezekial Aikle in East Dalhousie Cemetery, Nova Scotia: Here lies Ezekial Aikle Age 102 The Good Die Young. In a London, England cemetery: Ann Mann Here lies Ann Mann, Who lived an old maid But died an old Mann. Dec. 8, 1767 In a Ribbesford, England, cemetery: Anna Wallace The children of Israel wanted bread And the Lord sent them manna, Old clerk Wallace wanted a wife, And the Devil sent him Anna. Playing with names in a Ruidoso, New Mexico, cemetery: Here lies Johnny Yeast Pardon me For not rising. Memory of an accident in a Uniontown, Pennsylvania cemetery: Here lies the body of Jonathan Blake Stepped on the gas Instead of the brake. In a Silver City, Nevada, cemetery: Here lays Butch, We planted him raw. He was quick on the trigger, But slow on the draw. A widow wrote this epitaph in a Vermont cemetery: Sacred to the memory of my husband John Barnes who died January 3, 1803 His comely young widow, aged 23, has many qualifications of a good wife, and yearns to be comforted. A lawyer's epitaph in England: Sir John Strange Here lies an honest lawyer, And that is Strange. Someone determined to be anonymous in Stowe, Vermont: I was somebody. Who, is no business Of yours. Lester Moore was a Wells, Fargo Co. station agent for Naco, Arizona in the cowboy days of the 1880's. He's buried in the Boot Hill Cemetery in Tombstone, Arizona: Here lies Lester Moore Four slugs from a .44 No Les No More. In a Georgia cemetery: "I told you I was sick!" John Penny's epitaph in the Wimborne, England, cemetery: Reader if cash thou art In want of any Dig 4 feet deep And thou wilt find a Penny. On Margaret Daniels grave at Hollywood Cemetery Richmond, Virginia: She always said her feet were killing her but nobody believed her. In a cemetery in Hartscombe, England: On the 22nd of June - Jonathan Fiddle - Went out of tune. Anna Hopewell's grave in Enosburg Falls, Vermont has an epitaph that sounds like something from a Three Stooges movie: Here lies the body of our Anna Done to death by a banana It wasn't the fruit that laid her low But the skin of the thing that made her go. More fun with names with Owen Moore in Battersea, London, England: Gone away Owin' more Than he could pay. Someone in Winslow, Maine didn't like Mr. Wood: In Memory of Beza Wood Departed this life Nov. 2, 1837 Aged 45 yrs. Here lies one Wood Enclosed in wood One Wood Within another. The outer wood Is very good: We cannot praise The other. On a grave from the 1880's in Nantucket, Massachusetts: Under the sod and under the trees Lies the body of Jonathan Pease. He is not here, there's only the pod: Pease shelled out and went to God. The grave of Ellen Shannon in Girard, Pennsylvania is almost a consumer tip: Who was fatally burned March 21, 1870 by the explosion of a lamp filled with "R.E. Danforth's Non-Explosive Burning Fluid" Oops! Harry Edsel Smith of Albany, New York: Born 1903--Died 1942 Looked up the elevator shaft to see if the car was on the way down. It was. In a Thurmont, Maryland, cemetery: Here lies an Atheist All dressed up And no place to go. But does he make house calls? Dr. Fred Roberts Brookland, Arkansas: Office upstairs

In the Sunday newspaper this week and last week, a store called Superquinn "The Specialists in fine wines and spirits" have an ad for a French Wine Sale. One of the wines, priced at 15.99 Irish pounds per bottle (about $25, which I think includes 21 percent value added tax) is "Les Charmes de Kirwan" a 1995 Margaux vintage.

Here is an address I found in my notes that I think is interesting. Try it!! http://www.nationalarchives.ie/genealogy.html LeotaG@aol.com

Hello list I will be unsubscribing for a while, going to NYC and Jersey to visit my 82 and 87 yr old aunts, who I haven't seen in 25 years! While they are my paternal aunts, and my KIRWAN line is maternal, my cousin has kindly agreed to take me to Gate of Heaven cemetery, where my ggrandmother, Elizabeth KIRWAN DARLINGTON is buried. Hope to come home with some good leads. See you all in a few weeks! Mary Kleindienst

Hi all, Yesterday I posted info regarding the addresses of Family Heritage Centers in Ireland. Later in the day I rec'd an inquiry as to just what the "Irish Family History Foundation" was.... and I realized I really didn't know, I had assumed they were an offshoot of our FHC's.... In today's SHAMROCK list, discussion has continued regarding the use of various search resources and whether you get your money's worth by doing so. FYI, here is a post that seems to sum up the discussion: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In response to the high cost of researching in Ireland using the Heritage Centres - See the message that I sent regarding contacting the Parish for Records: Tim Maher asked about writing to a parish for records. I returned from Ireland after a two week visit in May. I went to the parish of my grandmother in Lismore, Co. Waterford, that parish like many others are now sending their records to the County Heritage Centers. Therefore, I suggest that you contact a Center and have them provide you with the research. Coincidentally, I have used the Offaly Center, and just received a reply from them yesterday!! It takes 6 weeks for the assessment report ($40US). But, they found my gr-grandfather's siblings and parents' marriage certificates in two locations (so a single parish would not be able to do this) and will provide the information in a report for an additional $50US. So, a total of $90US for a report on my gr-grandfather's ancestry. Incidentally, I have paid $150US for a private researcher to try to find information on my gr-grandfather before my May trip to Ireland - but they were unable based on the facts that I had supplied to them. So, the $90 vs $150 seems like a true bargain. I will see what the Offaly Ctr report looks like and compare it to the $200 report that I received from the private researcher on my gr-grandmother from Co. Leitrim. I will advise you and the list on the thoroughness and presentation of the Co. Offaly vs Private Research reports. Jack Lamb

And ... County Wicklow Heritage Centre Wicklow's Historic Gaol Wicklow Town, Co. Wicklow Ireland Tel: 353 404 20126 Fax: 353 404 67792 email: ewh@iol.ie

>From the SHAMROCK list this AM....Jana Here is the list of Irish Family History Foundation Centres -1998 Antrim/Down Belfast Ulster Historical Foundation Balmoral Building 12 College Sq. E Belfast BT1 6DD Northern Ireland Tel (01232)332288 Fax (01232)239885 E-mail napier@uhf.dnet.co.uk - John Napier Web http://www.write net/customers/uhf (my list has write net as two words may be one word?) Armagh Armagh Ancestry 42 English St. Armagh BT6 7BA Northern Ireland Tel(01861)521802 - Grace Greer Fax (01861)510033 Carlow (partial service) Carlow Genealogy Project Old School College St. Carlow Republic of Ireland Tel/Fax (0503) 30850 Graham O'Sullivan Cavan Co.Cavan Genealogy and Research Centre Cana House Farnham St. Cavan Republic of Ireland Tel (049)61094 Fax (049)31494 Mary Sullivan Cork City (partial service) Cork Ancestry c/o Cork County Library Farranlea Rd Cork Republic of Ireland Tel (021)546499 Ruth Flanagan North Cork (partial service) Mallow Heritage Centre 27-28 Butcher St. mallow Cork Republic of Ireland Tel (022) 21778 Saranne Walsh Derry Derry Genealogical Centre 4-22 Butcher St. Derry BT48 6HL Northern Ireland Tel 08(01504)261967 / 08(01504)373177 Fax 08(01504)374818 Brian Mitchell Donegal (partial service) Donegal Ancestry Old Meeting House Back Lane Ramelton Co.Donegal Republic of Ireland Tel/Fax (074)51266 Joan Patton/Kathleen Gallagher Dublin North Fingal Heritage Group The Carnegie Library North St. Swords Co.Dublin Republic of Ireland Tel (01)8400080 (01) 8403629 Bernadette Marks Dublin South (partial service) Dun Laoghaire Heritage Centre Moran Park House Dun Laoghaire Dublin Republic of Ireland Tel (01) 2054700 extension 4026/4027 Grainne Breen Fermanagh/Tyrone Heritage world The Heritage Centre 26 Market Square Dugannon Co.Tyrone BT70 1AB Northern Ireland Tel (01868) 724187 Fax (01868) 752141 e-mail irishworld@iol.ie Fergal O'Donnell Web site http://www.iol.ie/irishworld Galway East East Galway Family History Society Woodford Heritage Centre Woodford Co.Galway Republic of Ireland Tel/Fax (0509)49309 Angela Canning/Cora Fitzgerald Galway West Galway Family History Society West Unit 3 Venture Centre Liosbaun Estate Tuam Rd. Galway City Co.Galway Republic of Ireland Tel/Fax (091) 756737 Marie Mannion/Lois Tobin Kerry (partial service) Killarney Genealogical Centre Cathedral Walk Killarney Co.Kerry Tel/Fax (045) 433602 Marie O'Sulivan Kildare (partial service) County Kildare Heritage Centre c/o Kildare County Library Newbridge Co.Kildare Republic of Ireland Tel (045) 433602 Fax (045) 436463 E-mail capinfo@iol.ie Karel Kiely Web page http://www.iol.ie/~infocap/khp.htm Kilkenny Kilkenny Archaeological Society Rothe House Parliament St. Kilkenny Republic of Ireland Tel (056) 22893 Mary Flood/ Deirdre Carroll Laois/Offaly (Queens County) Family History Research Centre Bury Quay Tullamore Co.Offaly Republic of Ireland Tel/Fax (0506) 21421 John Kearney/Michael Byrne E-mail ohas@iol.ie Leitrim Leitrim Genealogy Centre County Library Ballinamore Co.Leitrim Republic of Ireland Tel (078) 44012 Fax(078) 44425 Marian Burns/Brid Sullivan Limerick Limerick Regional Archives The Granary Michael St. Limerick Republic of Ireland Tel (061) 401777 Fax (061) 415125 E-mail omahonyc@shannon-dev.ie Dr. Chris O'Mahony Longford (partial service) Longford Genealogical Training Project 1 Church St. Longford Republic of Ireland Tel (043) 41235 Mary Boland Tel (043) 45052 Jude Flynn Mayo North Family Heritage Centre Enniscoe Castlehill Ballinrobe Co.Mayo Republic of Ireland Tel (096) 31809 Fax (096) 31885 Fiona Lynn Forde Mayo South Family Research Centre Main St. Ballinrobe Co.Mayo Republic of Ireland Tel/Fax (092)41214 Gerald Delaney/Paul Waldron E-mail soumayo@iol.ie Web site http://www.mayo-ireland.ie/roots.htm Meath (partial service) Meath Heritage & Genealogy Centre Mill St. Trim Co.Meath Republic of Ireland Tel (046) 36633 Fax(046) 37502 Noel E. French Monaghan (partial service) Monaghan Ancestral Research 6 Tully Monaghan Co.Monaghan Republic of Ireland Tel (047) 82304/82211 Marie O'Neil/Theo McMahon (Postal enquiries preferred) Roscommon Heritage & Genealogy Centre County Heritage Centre Church St. Strokestown Co.Roscommon Republic of Ireland Tel (078) 33380 Mary Skelly Sligo Heritage & Genealogy Centre Aras Reddan Temple St. Sligo Republic of Ireland Tel (071) 43728 John O'Hara Tipperary North Family History Centre The Gatehouse Kickham St. Nenagh Co.Tipperary Republic of Ireland Tel(067) 33850 Fax (067) 33586 Nora O'Meara/Nancy Murphy Tipperary South (partial service) Bru Boru Heritage Centre Cashel Tipperary Republic of Ireland Tel (062) 61122 Deirdre Walsh/Una O'Murchu Waterford (partial service) Waterford Heritage Genealogy Service St. Patrick's Church Jenkin's Lane Waterford Republic of Ireland Tel (051) 876123 Fax(051) 850645 E-mail mnoc@iol.ie Carmel Mechan Web site http://www.oil.ie/~mnoc Westmeath (partial service) Dun na Si Cultural & Heritage Centre Knockdomney Moate Co.Westmeath Republic of Ireland Tel (0902) 81183 Fax (0902) 81661 Mary Conlon/Caroline Ganley Wexford (partial service) County Wexford Heritage & Genealogy Society Ltd. Tagoat Rosslare Co.Wexford Republic of Ireland Tel (053) 31177/32608 Fax (053) 32612 Partick Stafford/Maria Pask E-mail wexgen@iol.ie

Hi all, I belong to several other lists and on one the idea of interview questions came up. I had developed this set for a classroom unit a few years ago and shared it and got lots of positive feedback.... soooo, thought you allmight enjoy having them as well. Remember to answer the questions for yourself and write it down for future generations as well! I originally prepared these for use by fourth graders in interviewing their grandparents, but at this point, enough adults have used them that I know they cross age barriers quite nicely; feel free to add to them amend them, make them your own. All the questions are designed to bring out information rather than "yes" or "no" answers - enjoy! Actually some folks had better success having their kids ask the questions - the elders somehow were less likely to call those sweet young faces "nosey!" It might be wise NOT to ask them all in one sitting! One more caution - I was so worried about interviewing my grandmother who was 89 and healthy that I forgot to interview my mother who was 65 with bone cancer. That was 11 years ago. Today the only record of my mother's voice that I have is on the interview of HER mother. My mother died two months after the interview. My grandmother died May 2, 1998, this year, 6 weeks short of her 99th birthday. Guess whose interview I do not have????? sigh...... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A GRANDPARENT INTERVIEW ABOUT YOUR OWN FAMILY ? From which country/ies did your family’s ancestors emigrate? ? When was this and where did they settle? ? What stories did you hear about their experiences in coming to this country? ? What are your parents’ names? What was your mother’s maiden name? ? Where were they each born? ? What do you remember most about your mother (your father) from your childhood? ? How did your mother (your father) spend most of her (his) time? ? What was her (his) primary occupation? ? What did she (he) do for pleasure? ? How did your family spend time together? ? How did your family relax or play together? ? If you had vacations, where did you go? ? Please tell about a favorite vacation/ a worst vacation. ? Was another language besides English spoken in your home? What was it? Who spoke it? ? Was religion an important part of your family life? ? Did your family attend a church, synagogue, temple or practice other spiritual approaches? ? Did your family seem to have enough money? Was money a family concern? ? What were one or two of the worst times in your family life? The best times? ABOUT YOURSELF ? What is your birthdate? ? Where were you born? ? What stories were you told about your birth? ? Were there any special or unusual circumstances? ? Were you born in a hospital or at home? ? What is your full name and how was it chosen? ? Who in your family do you most resemble physically? ? Who in your family do you most resemble in personality? ? How many brothers and sisters do you have? ? Where do you fit in the birth order? ? What are their names and birthdates? ? To whom did you feel closest as a child? ? To whom to you feel closest now? ? Describe a memory or two you will never forget involving your brother(s) and/or sister(s). ? Tell why this memory stands out in your mind. WHEN YOU WERE LITTLE (ages 2-12) ? What was your first memory going back as far as you can? ? Where did you live? What do you most remember about your home(s)? ? Did you have any nicknames? What were they? Did you like or dislike them? Why? ? Did you have any pets? Tell me about them…. ? What did you do for fun? ? Please describe your favorite toy or game. ? Were you ever very sick? Did you ever have a big accident (like breaking a bone)? ? What do you remember about grammar school? How did you get there? Did you have a favorite teacher? Why was he/she special? What did he/she teach you that stands out in your mind? ? What did you want to be when you grew up? ? What did your parents want you to do or be? ? What did things like this cost when you were young: ? Clothes ?Food ?Movies ?Toys ?Gasoline ?Stamps ? What do you think has changed the most since you were young? ? What do you wish had not changed? GROWING UP (ages 12-20) ? What household chores or jobs did you have to do? ? Did you get an allowance? How much? How did you spend it? ? What parts of school did you like the most? The least? ? Did you play sports in school? ? Were you involved in music or drama activities? Any other activities? ? Did you receive any awards or prizes for anything? ? Were you a member of any clubs? ? What songs or dances were popular? ? What or who most influenced your thinking during this time in your life? Why? ? As a teenager, did you get along with your parents? ? What kind of clothing did you wear? ? At what point did you move away from home? Why did you move? Where did you go? FAMILY CELEBRATIONS AND TRADITIONS ? Did you celebrate any special family, religious or ethnic holidays in your home? Describe them. ? As a child, how was your birthday usually commemorated? ? What was the best gift you ever received when you were young? What occasion prompted the gift? Why was this gift so special to you? ? What was the best gift you ever gave? Why? Who was the recipient of your gift? ? Were traditional or favorite recipes prepared for special family events or celebrations? ? What were the recipes for? What were the occasions? May I copy the recipes? ? What were the “rites of passage” for you as you grew up? Were they formally or informally noticed? ? What family or holiday traditions have been the most meaningful to you? WHEN YOU GOT MARRIED….. ? How did you meet Grandma/Grandpa? ? How old were you when you first met? ? What attracted you to Grandma/Grandpa? ? When and where was the wedding? What can you tell me about that special day? ? Did you have a honeymoon? What are you willing to tell about it? ? Were there any surprises in your adjustment to married life? ? Were there any cooking disasters? ? Please tell a favorite story about Grandma/Grandpa. ? How were times different when you were first married? ?Entertainment ?Chores and cleaning ?Shopping ?Transportation ?Cooking ?Raising a family ? What do we have now that we did not have then? ? What do we not have now that you wish we still had? BIG EVENTS IN YOUR LIFE ? Tell about the births of your children? Names and birthdates, please! ? Tell about the births of your grandchildren and great grandchildren. Names and birthdates, please! ? What was it like to be a new parent? ? What do you especially remember about raising my mother/father? ? What do you especially remember about raising your other children? ? What did my mother/father do that made you feel especially proud? Angry? Excited? Happy? Disgusted? ? What parts of being a parent have been the easiest or most rewarding? ? What parts of being a parent have been the hardest or most frustrating? ? What were the most trying times for you as you raised your family? Why? ? What is the funniest thing that has ever happened to you? ? What memories make you feel proud? Why? ? What moments in your life embarrassed you? Why? ? Please share with me if you can, memories of your saddest or most painful times in life? ? Apart from school, what have been your most important learning experiences? ? Have you ever been hospitalized? Where and why? ? What was your first job; part time or full time… How much were you paid? What were your responsibilities? ? What have been your favorite hobbies or past times? ? Where have you lived as an adult? What was your favorite place to live/least favorite place? ? Where have you traveled? What did you see or have happen on the trip(s) that you remember especially? ? Were you in the military? Where? When? Were you serving during a wartime? What was your job? ? If you lived through a war time, what was it and what do you remember the most about that time? ? Did you receive education beyond grammar school? Where did you go to school? What was the highest grade you accomplished? ? Do you hold any degrees? Did you receive any awards in education or in anything else? ? Have you ever met anyone famous? What can you tell me about them? ? As you look back, are there any time periods that especially stand out? Describe them and tell what was special about them? ? Are there times in your life you’d like to live over? Describe and tell why? ? As you look back, are there things you would do differently if you were doing them now? ? Is there anything you wish you could change? What and why? MISCELLANEOUS QUESTIONS AND CHANCES FOR ADVICE OR OPINIONS! ?What inventions have been developed in your lifetime? Did you invent anything? ?To which poiltical party/ies have you belonged? ?What are some of the best books you have ever read? ?What do you value most in a friend? ?What values do you hold dear? ?What is your best advice for your descendents? ?When you view the world today, what do you like/dislike? ?What would you like to change? ?What do you consider to be the biggest advances made in your lifetime? ?What do you consider to be the biggest setbacks made in your lifetime? ?What do you think are the biggest challenges today? ?Is there anything else you want me to know about your life that I have not known/thought to ask you?

I'm fwd'ing on this request from Emily Drummond, aka chief.uvcc@cmdgrp.hqusareur.army.mil. .Am searching for John William (or William John) Kirwan, born in Ireland in March 1856 and immigrated to the US in approx 1862 (according to 1900 census). His mother and father were John William (or William John) Kirwan and Ellen Clarey (Cleary). The son turned up in Bloomington, Illinois, in the 1880 census, but haven't been able to locate the mother or father or from where in Ireland the family immigrated (Counties Clare and Cork were a bust). Are you, by chance, related to this branch?? Charles F. Kirwan, Son of John William (1856) was my maternal grandfather. Emily Drummond

> Index to Griffith's Valuation of Ireland, 1848-1864 > > Kirwan, Alice County : Wexford > Parish : Edermine > Location : Craanroe > Kirwan, Anastasia County : Wexford > Parish : Clonmore > Location : Bree > Kirwan, Anne County : Wexford > Parish : Ferns > Location : Bolacaheer > Kirwan, Catherine County : Wexford > Parish : Carnew > Location : Bolinrush > Kirwan, Catherine County : Wexford > Parish : Killinick > Location : Assaly Little > Kirwan, Charles County : Wexford > Parish : Donaghmore > Location : Ballygarrett Little > Kirwan, Daniel County : Wexford > Parish : Ardcavan > Location : Crosstown > Kirwan, Daniel County : Wexford > Parish : Clonmore > Location : Ballybuckley > Kirwan, Daniel County : Wexford > Parish : Clonmore > Location : Bree > Kirwan, Daniel County : Wexford > Parish : Donaghmore > Location : Ballinagam Upper > Kirwan, Daniel County : Wexford > Parish : Kiltrisk > Location : Ballyart > Kirwan, Daniel County : Wexford > Parish : Toome > Location : Ballyshaun > Kirwan, Denis County : Wexford > Parish : Killincooly > Location : Killincooly More > Kirwan, Denis County : Wexford > Parish : Templeshanbo > Location : Monalee > Kirwan, Edward County : Wexford > Parish : St. Marys Newtownbarry > Location : Newtownbarry > Kirwan, Eleanor County : Wexford > Parish : Adamstown > Location : Tomgarrow > Kirwan, Elizabeth County : Wexford > Parish : Carnew > Location : Bolinrush > Kirwan, Ellen County : Wexford > Parish : Clonmore > Location : Knockduff > Kirwan, Francis County : Wexford > Parish : Tikillin > Location : Ballyboggan Lower > Kirwan, Henry County : Wexford > Parish : Ardcavan > Location : Glasganny > Kirwan, Henry County : Wexford > Parish : Killincooly > Location : Ballyduboy > Kirwan, Henry County : Wexford > Parish : Killincooly > Location : Tinteskin > Kirwan, Henry County : Wexford > Parish : Kilnahue > Location : Creagh Upper > Kirwan, James County : Wexford > Parish : Carnew > Location : Ballyconran > Kirwan, James County : Wexford > Parish : Ferns > Location : Bolacaheer > Kirwan, James County : Wexford > Parish : Killila > Location : Inch > Kirwan, James County : Wexford > Parish : Kilmakilloge > Location : Town of Gorey, Main Street > Kirwan, James County : Wexford > Parish : Kilmuckridge > Location : Ballyadam > Kirwan, James County : Wexford > Parish : Rossminoge > Location : Bannpark > Kirwan, James County : Wexford > Parish : St. Johns > Location : Townparks > Kirwan, James County : Wexford > Parish : St. Marys Enniscorthy > Location : Slaney Place > Kirwan, James County : Wexford > Parish : Templeshanbo > Location : Mangan > Kirwan, James County : Wexford > Parish : Tomhaggard > Location : Knocks > Kirwan, Johanna County : Wexford > Parish : Tikillin > Location : Ballydicken Upper > Kirwan, John County : Wexford > Parish : Ballyvaldon > Location : Ballyvaldon > Kirwan, John County : Wexford > Parish : Carn > Location : Ballysheen > Kirwan, John County : Wexford > Parish : Carnew > Location : Drummond > Kirwan, John County : Wexford > Parish : Cgapel > Location : Raheen > Kirwan, John County : Wexford > Parish : Clone > Location : Ballydonigan > Kirwan, John County : Wexford > Parish : Clone > Location : Ballysimon > Kirwan, John County : Wexford > Parish : Ferns > Location : Bolacaheer > Kirwan, John County : Wexford > Parish : Kilcormick > Location : Scollagh > Kirwan, John County : Wexford > Parish : Killila > Location : Glebe > Kirwan, Rev. John County : Wexford > Parish : Mulrankin > Location : Shooks > Kirwan, John County : Wexford > Parish : Taghmon > Location : Town of Taghmon > Kirwan, Rev. Law County : Wexford > Parish : St. Johns > Location : Townparks > Kirwan, Lawrence County : Wexford > Parish : Kiltrisk > Location : Ballyart > Kirwan, Rev. Lawrence County : Wexford > Parish : St. Johns > Location : Townparks > Kirwan, Martin County : Wexford > Parish : Taghmon > Location : Raheen > Kirwan, Mary County : Wexford > Parish : Killiane > Location : Ballykilliane > Kirwan, Mary County : Wexford > Parish : Rossminoge > Location : Bannpark > Kirwan, Matthew County : Wexford > Parish : Kilnahue > Location : Annaghgap > Kirwan, Michael County : Wexford > Parish : Ardcavan > Location : Ardcavan > Kirwan, Michael County : Wexford > Parish : Carnew > Location : Bolinrush > Kirwan, Michael County : Wexford > Parish : Killincooly > Location : Tinnaberna > Kirwan, Michael County : Wexford > Parish : Kilmuckridge > Location : Ballyadam > Kirwan, Michael County : Wexford > Parish : Kilnenor > Location : Clonroe Upper > Kirwan, Michael County : Wexford > Parish : Kiltrisk > Location : Coolatrindle > Kirwan, Michael County : Wexford > Parish : Mulrankin > Location : Bridgetown North > Kirwan, Michael County : Wexford > Parish : Taghmon > Location : Coolcull (Moyler) > Kirwan, Michael County : Wexford > Parish : Templeshanbo > Location : Knockduff > Kirwan, Michael County : Wexford > Parish : Tikillin > Location : Ballyboggan Lower > Kirwan, Michael County : Wexford > Parish : Toome > Location : Ballyshaun > Kirwan, Moses County : Wexford > Parish : Castle-ellis > Location : Garryniskbeg > Kirwan, Nicholas County : Wexford > Parish : Killincooly > Location : Ballymacsimon > Kirwan, Nicholas County : Wexford > Parish : St. Selskars > Location : Town of Wexford > Kirwan, Nicholas County : Wexford > Parish : Toome > Location : Ballyshaun > Kirwan, Nichs County : Wexford > Parish : Killincooly > Location : Ballymacsimon > Comment : Harry > Kirwan, Patrick County : Wexford > Parish : Ballyhuskard > Location : Mondaniel > Kirwan, Patrick County : Wexford > Parish : Duncormick > Location : Duncormick > Kirwan, Patrick County : Wexford > Parish : Killincooly > Location : Killincooly More > Kirwan, Patrick County : Wexford > Parish : Kilmakilloge > Location : Town of Gorey, Main Street > Kirwan, Patrick County : Wexford > Parish : St. Johns > Location : Townparks > Kirwan, Patrick County : Wexford > Parish : St. Marys Newtownbarry > Location : Church Street > Kirwan, Peter County : Wexford > Parish : Carnew > Location : Bolinrush > Kirwan, Peter County : Wexford > Parish : Clonmore > Location : Bree > Kirwan, Peter County : Wexford > Parish : Killiane > Location : Ballykilliane > Kirwan, Thomas County : Wexford > Parish : Ardcavan > Location : Knottown > Kirwan, Thomas County : Wexford > Parish : Ballyvaldon > Location : Ballyconnigar Lower > Kirwan, Thomas County : Wexford > Parish : Horetown > Location : Deerpark > Kirwan, Thomas County : Wexford > Parish : Kilgarvan > Location : Ballyclemock > Kirwan, Thomas County : Wexford > Parish : Kilgarvan > Location : Camaross > Kirwan, Thomas County : Wexford > Parish : Kilmakilloge > Location : Town of Gorey, Main Street > Kirwan, Thomas County : Wexford > Parish : Monart > Location : Monart East > Kirwan, Thomas County : Wexford > Parish : Taghmon > Location : Town of Taghmon

Hello list, Here's my KIRWAN connection. Don't have a lot of info right now, still digging! Francis DARLINGTON b 1872 (son of James) married Elizabeth KIRWAN b 1872 (daughter of John). Married in Dublin, 1894. Francis was born in Co Wexford, Elizabeth in Co Wicklow. Six children, Patrick HUGHES and his brother, name unknown, from Elizabeth's first marriage to Patrick HUGHES. He died sometime before 1894. James DARLINGTON b 1896, Annie Elizabeth DARLINGTON b 1898 (later known as Anna Mary), Michael DARLINGTON b 1900 and Ellen DARLINGTON b 1902 (later known as Helen or Nellie). Not too many DARLINGTON's in Ireland. Anyone have a connection?? Thanks, Mary K maryrk@aol.com

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------19B4FC151D3F522CF242A5DB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Port of Entry for all these arrivals was NEW YORK CITY! --------------19B4FC151D3F522CF242A5DB Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from bl-30.rootsweb.com (bl-30.rootsweb.com [207.113.245.30]) by marin.marin.k12.ca.us (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA06921 for <jblack@marin.k12.ca.us>; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:37:07 -0700 Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-30.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA19555; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:36:44 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:36:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35EED2FC.27FC81C0@marin.k12.ca.us> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 10:33:48 -0700 From: Jana Black <jblack@marin.k12.ca.us> Reply-To: jblack@marin.k12.ca.us X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: KIRWIN-L <KIRWIN-L@rootsweb.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [KIRWIN-L] bleegh - formatting!!! Resent-Message-ID: <"SUwqHC.A.QxE.sOt71"@bl-30.rootsweb.com> To: KIRWIN-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: KIRWIN-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <KIRWIN-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/86 X-Loop: KIRWIN-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: KIRWIN-L-request@rootsweb.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yuk, saw how that came thru - maybe this is easier to read: NAME>AGE>SEX>EMB. PORT>SHIP>ARR. DATE KIRWIN, Wm>12>m>Liverpool>California>14JUN1848 KIRWAN, P.>19>m>Dublin>South>Carolina>2JULY1847 KIRWEN, P.>26>m>Liverpool>Sir Robert Peel>26AUG1847 KIRWEN, John>24>m>Liverpool>Kalamazoo>13SEPT1847 Jane>22> f Patt.> 4>m John> 2>m Hope you all relax your way thru Labor Day Weekend! Jana --------------19B4FC151D3F522CF242A5DB--

Yuk, saw how that came thru - maybe this is easier to read: NAME>AGE>SEX>EMB. PORT>SHIP>ARR. DATE KIRWIN, Wm>12>m>Liverpool>California>14JUN1848 KIRWAN, P.>19>m>Dublin>South>Carolina>2JULY1847 KIRWEN, P.>26>m>Liverpool>Sir Robert Peel>26AUG1847 KIRWEN, John>24>m>Liverpool>Kalamazoo>13SEPT1847 Jane>22> f Patt.> 4>m John> 2>m Hope you all relax your way thru Labor Day Weekend! Jana

Hi all, Hope this response to my query on The Ships' List might help someone - alas, not me (unless Patrick was ~20 years younger than we think, spelled his name differently than on any other records and arrived a year earlier than we think!). These folks all arrived in New York. Records are from THE FAMINE IMMIGRANTS. NAME AGE SEX EMB. PORT SHIP ARR. DATE KIRWIN, Wm 12 m Liverpool California 14JUN1848 KIRWAN, P. 19 m Dublin South Carolina 2JULY1847 KIRWEN, P. 26 m Liverpool Sir Robert Peel 26AUG1847 KIRWEN, John 24 m Liverpool Kalamazoo 13SEPT1847 Jane 22 f " " " Patt. 4 m " " " John 2 m " " " Jana