It's a great value and even the underemployed (work as a temp) and soon-to-be temporarily unemployed (high school teacher) can afford it. The basic yearly rate is not bad at all and everyone can "relate" to it!!! Okay...bad pun, but hey...I'm a sleep-deprived graduate student. Cheers!!! P.S. Anything more on the Kerwin reunion this summer?? We'd love to come!!! Cheers!! Jennifer L. Williams Independent Museum-type Person (IMP) Boone, NC I'll believe it when I believe it! -Yogi Berra

I have rec'd some replies saying they'll send $$ but not "virtually" here is the snail mail address thanks to Darlene! Here's an address for people who want to contribute $12 or more per year. (I agree with you totally, this is so much speedier and regarding the cost against what it was 20 yrs ago, it's minimal.) ROOTSWEB GENEALOGICAL DATA COOPORATION P. O. BOX 6798 FRAZIER PARK, CA 93222-6798 Send it in ASAP as it will never be cheaper. Jana

Hello all, Below you will find a "State of Rootsweb" article from the most recent Rootsweb Review. It is in response to a letter from a Rootsweb Donor who objected to Rootsweb's latest attempt to gather monetary support and keep itself going without commercializing itself as many other genealogical groups have been forced to do. So many of us use Rootsweb heavily and depend upon it as an affordable, accessible communciation vehicle. Just think for a moment what it would be like if it just "went away....." Rootsweb hosts my personal website, allows me to keep eight mailing lists going (my time is voluntary), and gives me the opportunity to manage GenConnect surname boards. I have been very lucky in that some of you have stepped forward to manage the GenConnect part of our surname quests and for that I am forever grateful as my available time is not endless ;] I truly believe a collaborative approach to genealogical research is what will offer us all the best results in the long run. When I look at the additional data I have been able to add to my own family tree in just the last year thanks to the fact that Rootsweb gives me a place to host it for $50/year (find anything cheaper w/o annoying commercials popping up all the time!) so many of you could fiund me as a "new cousin" and add your data, I feel astonished! I have never made such quick progress in so many lines in all the 30 other years I have dabbled in genealogy! The "brick walls" are falling thanks largely to Rootsweb, I think! Please take the time to read this informative article and see if you can manage even a very small donation to help keep us all up in our trees! Thanks in advance to each and every one of you! Jana ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When we launched RootsWeb, we assumed that our users would prefer to support us as much as they were able, in exchange for a site open to all, without banners plastered all over everything and without having resources locked up (as is done at other genealogy sites), available only for fees on the order of $60 per year. Instead, people can support RootsWeb for as little as $12 per year. We thus hoped that a reasonable fraction of our users, perhaps half of them, would support us in some way. And because we expected support from the community, we made promises to projects like USGenWeb that we would freely host them for the good of the Internet genealogy community. We have no intention of reneging on those early promises, but it has been difficult, because the community support we anticipated has not been there. Although people use the site like crazy, fewer than 7% of our users have chipped in to keep things going. The other 93%? Perhaps they're busy, or they're broke, or they won't pay unless they have to, or they don't think RootsWeb is useful. Who knows? But it means that RootsWeb has run at a cash flow loss. In simple terms, Karen Isaacson and Brian Leverich have donated not only their time as system administrators but a substantial part of their personal resources to provide the genealogical community with RootsWeb. The rest of RootsWeb's staff have also made substantial contributions. Because RootsWeb's costs exceed its income, we can't provide all the genealogical facilities we'd like to support. These could include online searchable databases of pension records, census indexes, vital records, or countless other valuable genealogical services that we could easily provide -- if only we could afford the staff to support them. And, ultimately, RootsWeb can't even continue to exist if we don't bring our costs and revenues into balance, something we want to have under control before the transition to non-profit status (as opposed to losing money status) is completed. We are doing what we can to remedy the situation. For instance, we are selling banner advertisements where we can. However, this alone will never provide enough revenue to cover the costs of the unbannered volunteer projects which consume most of RootsWeb's resources yet by their very nature produce no direct revenue, even as they provide invaluable content to the genealogical community. The new communities, from their inception, will be fully supported by advertising. They will be paying their own way. We can shift some of the costs of maintaining the Web, mailing list, GenConnect, and search engine servers onto the new communities, so that the new communities will subsidize a genealogical community that hasn't been supporting itself. Although we have been disappointed in the amount of financial support of the genealogical community, we would like to express our deep gratitude to the writer of the letter above and the other 7% of our users who have helped make RootsWeb available to the whole community. Without their support and encouragement, there would be no RootsWeb. If you would like to join the folks who are making RootsWeb possible and thus help us bring new genealogical data online, freely available to all, please visit: <http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html> or send e-mail to: RW-info@rootsweb.com

OK, you got me going, here is a bit more...... "Fort KIRWIN (1865-1865) Camp Kirwin Fort Kirwin was established 10 July 1865. It was located near the confluence of Bow Creek and the North Solomon River in the present Phillips County 1.5 miles south of Kirwin. Established by Lt. Colonel John S. Kirwin, 12th Tennessee Cavalry, and a company of Tennessee volunteers who were sent as an escort for a survey party and to scout the country for hostile Indians. The post was a summer encampment only, not a fort. Abandoned 3 September 1865." Then on this page http://www.usma.edu/1-1Infantry/history/cdrs.htm - United States Military Academy COMMANDERS OF THE REGIMENT FIRST INFANTRY REGIMENT "Colonel Kirwin T. Smith September 1930 to March 1933" Jana Tom Fitzsimmons wrote: > I watch for Fitzsimmons notes, too, and here is one where Kirwan > comes into the picture. It was posted on > > http://genforum.genealogy.com/fitzsimmons/ > > by Connie Fitzsimons Putnam on May 5th. I'll ask Connie to tell us > more! > > "The next three boys were born in Kansas Thomas county originally > part of the KIRWAN LAND DISTRICT. There they built the first sod > house and frame house in the area." > > ==== KIRWIN Mailing List ==== > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: we hope you won't BUT we won't take it personally either! > email KIRWIN-L-request@rootsweb.com and write in only the word > UNSUBSCRIBE in the message body. No subject necessary.....

Hi all, Kansas was the stomping grounds for my branch of Kirwins, so I can add a bit here. Thomas County is in the NW corner of Kansas, county seat is Colby. You can see it on a map on the GenWeb page <http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/thomas/index.html> If you take a look at the GenWeb page for all the counties in Kansas <http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/county.html> you will see that all of the following counties were a part of the Kirwin Land District (note spelling...): Cheyenne, Mitchell, Phillips, Rawlins, Rooks, Sherman and Thomas counties. Cheyenne, Rawlins, Sherman and Thomas counties are all clustered next to each other in that NW corner of the state. Phillips and Rook counties are adjacent in the N-centrl part of the state on the Negraska border - Mitchell county is SE of them. There is a town in Phillips County, Kansas called Kirwin, adjacent to the Kirwin Reservoir. Read all about it here http://raven.cc.ukans.edu/~hisite/kancoll/books/cutler/phillips/phillips-co-p3.html#KIRWIN. Named for Colonel Kirwin who founght there, I cannot find any actual Kirwins living there among the early settlers......... Here is a phot of the town in 1871 <http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/phillips/kirwin.html> and today......<http://skyways.lib.ks.us/towns/Kirwin/index.html> That page has the only real info I can see that is relevant to our purposes... here is what it says: "n June 1871 the Kirwin Town Company was formed making Kirwin the first permanent settlement in Phillips county. The town was named for Camp Kirwan, a nearby stockade used by the 12th Tennessee Volunteer Cavalary during the summer of 1865. Colonel John S. Kirwan, the regimental commander, was born in New Hampshire and patrolled Kansas as a private in the 1st U. S. Cavalry just before the Civil War. His reminiscences of the 1860 campaign were published in the Winter, 1955 issue of the Kansas Historical Quarterly." If anyone can get hold of the 1955 issues of the Kansas Historical Quarterly, let us all know!!! Looks good! Anyone descended form John S. Kirwin of New Hampshire???? On that page is also a copy of what is written on a town plaque about Fort Kirwin and teh Kirwin Stockade.... Finally was this fun little piece of trivia, "The oldest known published version of the state song, "Home on the Range" was printed in the February 26, 1876 issue of the Kirwin Chief. " Lots of press for a guy who just passed through??? Maybe we should all meet there for a reunion??????? ;] If you really want to read about Kansas, they have put the entire Cutler's History online...... I could not find anything in 10 minutes re the formation of the Kirwin Land District...... and that is the time I could give it... maybe someone else can have better luck? <http://www.ukans.edu/carrie/kancoll/books/cutler/> <http://skyways.lib.ks.us/kansas/history/index.html> is the other site for Kansas History..... As for my Kirwins, the spelling is consistent, but they "hung out" in Wilson, Montgomery, Noble & Neoshso counties in the SE corner of the state.... see my webpage Climbing the Branches for more info http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~jmbhome/index.html My aunt has promised to remember to send me copies of the pictures of the Kirwin brothers which I will post to the page ASAP... Happy Hunting, Jana Tom Fitzsimmons wrote: > I watch for Fitzsimmons notes, too, and here is one where Kirwan > comes into the picture. It was posted on > > http://genforum.genealogy.com/fitzsimmons/ > > by Connie Fitzsimons Putnam on May 5th. I'll ask Connie to tell us > more! > > "The next three boys were born in Kansas Thomas county originally > part of the KIRWAN LAND DISTRICT. There they built the first sod > house and frame house in the area." > > ==== KIRWIN Mailing List ==== > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: we hope you won't BUT we won't take it personally either! > email KIRWIN-L-request@rootsweb.com and write in only the word > UNSUBSCRIBE in the message body. No subject necessary.....

I watch for Fitzsimmons notes, too, and here is one where Kirwan comes into the picture. It was posted on http://genforum.genealogy.com/fitzsimmons/ by Connie Fitzsimons Putnam on May 5th. I'll ask Connie to tell us more! "The next three boys were born in Kansas Thomas county originally part of the KIRWAN LAND DISTRICT. There they built the first sod house and frame house in the area."

I found the LDs website....and anymore news about the Kirwan reunion in Denver?? Jennifer L. Williams Independent Museum-type Person (IMP) Boone, NC The menu said breakfast anytime, so I ordered French toast in the Renaissance.

Does anyone have the web address for the LDS site?? I thought I saved it and don't have it in any mailbox?? !! Cheers! Jennifer L. Williams Independent Museum-type Person (IMP) Boone, NC The menu said breakfast anytime, so I ordered French toast in the Renaissance.

Hi all, It has been awhile since I have done any housekeeping (yeah, on the list AND at home ;] genealogists are notorious that way.....) and we have had lots of new "subbers." Here is an FYI on how to access the Mailing List Archives! Lots of good stuff has been discussed here, and you never have to be "out of the loop" thanks to the Archives! Have fun........ Just a reminder, especially for new subscribers, that all of the messages over the last two years have been archived at RootsWeb and are available for searching by search words. To search the surname-l archives, point your web browser to: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl This will take you directly to the page to begin a search. You will be asked for the name of the list followed by a "submit" button to click on. The next screen has examples of search words and a "Query" blank. Fill the blank with the word you wish to search for and then click on the "search" button. The next screen will give information about the search. There will also be a place to choose how to view the messages. Choose "Full" from among the choices. The messages should then appear on the next screen to scroll through. You can then go back and choose a different word and begin another search. Or you can experiment with the different choices on how to view the messages such as: From, To Message ID, Subject, content-type, message-body. If you have other surnames you are researching, you can go back and choose another surname List to search. Happy Hunting! Jana Black Listowner, KIRWIN-L

I am new to this newsgroup, and wonder if anyone can assist with information on my Kirwan ancestors please. My Kirwans are children of James Kirwan (Kirwin) and Catherine Mary Mortimer The children we know of are: 1. Catherine Kirwan b 1831 Rosecrea, Tipp, IRL Catherine came to Australia in 1854 After the death of Kate's father, she and her mother went to live with an aunt [un married sister to Mary Mortimer] who was housekeeper at the Castle of Garran. 2. Edward Kirwin b 1830 Rosecrea, Tipp, IRL Edward served in Crimean war, came to Aus in 1860, then to NZ in 1864 3. Michael Kirwin b around 1830 Rosecrea, Tipp, IRL Michael went to USA. Arrived in USA before 1850. Probably fought in Civil War on Union side. Marrried Jane Dolan Lived in Cleveland, Ohio then Nashville, Tennessee. Four children survived to adulthood. Geoff Hughes in wet and blowy Sydney. -- Hughes Family Sydney Australia

Hi, I am new to the list. I am looking for any information on Kirwans that settled in the Towanda/Wilkes Barre/ Scranton/ Sayre/Athens area in Pennsylvania. My grandmother's name was Alice Kirwan-Kenrick. She lived in Sayre, PA since her marriage in 1925. I know she had a brother named Louis, a sister named Helen (Nell) and several other brothers and sisters (2 of whom died in the influenza in 1919). My grandmother was born December 1, 1896, and married a man named Thomas Kenrick of Towanda. I know that her mother's name (my great-grandmother) was Bridget (i think her last name was Fenn or some derivative), and that my grandmother lived on a farm in the hills around Towanda and with an aunt in Ithaca, NY, until her marriage. I also know that bother her mother and father (whose name I cannot remember) both had over 10 siblings. According to a family history being done by a cousin whose last name is Elliot, the Kirwans came from Tipperary Ireland. I am not sure that this is accurate as there is no reliable information that pre-dates my great-grandmother and great-grandfather. I would appreciate any information that anyone could give me. Thanks! Mary Schaffer

HEADS UP for anyone with a webpage.... This was posted on the management list for Rootsweb Listowners......... If you receive this "come on" get rid of it and do not respond...... If you go to this web site and register your URL they will ask for your user id and password. DO NOT share this information with them or they can access your web site and easily alter it. grrrrrr Some folks will try anything! Jana ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi, We welcome you to join the Webs NEW Genealogy top 100. The top 15 sites will have their banner displayed. This is a brand new site. Quick sign up now and get to the #1 spot. This will gain mass traffic for your great site. We are at http://www.worldwide-top100.net/rank5/

Hey! No apologies - glad you all got going on this! I didn't even think search engines this morning....glad to see some Kirwins are awake on a Sunday! Happy Birthday Chris! Jana Tom Fitzsimmons wrote: > Not meaning to show-off, but it was very easy to find all the below > info on Brennanstown and Tully by just using search engines.

Not meaning to show-off, but it was very easy to find all the below info on Brennanstown and Tully by just using search engines. Maybe this will help find the Parish of Tully: "Tully Church (Cabinteely) - Church of uncertain date, but chancel dates from the 12th century. One of its crosses is engraved with a figure holding a crosier, and is said to be that of St. Brigid. Evidence suggests that Tully church had strong ties with St. Brigid's monastery in Kildare." http://www.dlrcoco.ie/antiquit.htm Also there is this: "Brennanstown Dolmen is one of six surviving in South Dublin" http://hermes.ucd.ie/gsb/about/dolmen.html and Brennanstown Riding School Ltd Hollybrook, Kilmacanque,Co Dublin Tel: +353 1 286 3778 http://www.mad-map.ie/wf/dublin/html/equestrian.html but also see below, which makes it look as though Brennanstown is on the Dublin/Wicklow border. This also has road directions to Brennanstown: Brennanstown Riding School Hollybrook Kilmacanogue Bray, County Wicklow "Brennanstown Riding School, an AIRE and British Horse Society approved riding and training establishment, is situated in the beautiful Hollybrook Demense, adjoining the magnificent Kilruddery Estate, the ancestral home of the Earl of Meath. Brennanstown is located 3km from Bray and 25km from Dublin on the N11." http://www.ehi.ie/brennanstown.htm Also, what you are lucky to get for only $600,000 as a house these days in Ireland: For Sale By Private Treaty 55 Holmwood, Brennanstown Road, Dublin 18. "A superb spacious and beautifully presented modern Castlethorn built detached residence in a quiet cul-de-sac location in this prestigious development just off Brennanstown Road, close to Cabinteely and Foxrock villages." http://www.hok.ie/private/55holm.htm

In a message dated 4/18/99 10:48:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, KIRWIN-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << ckirwan@erols.com >> This is for Chris Kirwan: Hi, I looked up Brennanstown on Http://www.askjeeves.com/ and found this: <A HREF="http://www.askjeeves.com/MetaAnswer.asp?MetaEngine=AltaVista&logQID=B541 A2BFF7F5D2118B6900A0C9FB5209&qCategory=TRVL&qSource=0&frames=yes&site_name=Jee ves&scope=web&r=x&MetaTopic=Brennanstown+Riding+School%2C+hollybrook%2C+kilmac anogue%2C+bray%2C&MetaURL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ehi.ie%2Fbrennanstown.htm&EngineOrd inal=1&ItemOrdinal=1&ask=Where+is+Brennanstown%2C+Ireland%3F+metasearch&MetaLi st=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ehi.ie%2Fbrennanstown.htm&ask.x=12&ask.y=4">Ask Jeeves Answer: Brennanstown Riding School, hollybrook, kilmacanogue, bray, </A> Also, there were other places to look on <A HREF="http://www.askjeeves.com/">Ask Jeeves </A> You can Ask Jeeves anything--pretty good site. Sincerely, Lee Gray

I went to IreAtlas at: http://www.thecore.com/cgi-bin/ire-srch and entered Dublin in the County box, Rathdown in the Poor Law Union box, and got a bunch of townlands, among which is Brenanstown. Brenanstown is shown as a townland of 327 acres, in the County of Dublin, Barony of Rathdown, Civil Parish of Tully, Poor Law Union of Rathdown. Maybe this will help.

Another good website for finding Irish placenames is part of the Irish Times, Irish Ancestors, site, at http://www.ireland.com/ancestor/placename/index.cfm Richard.

Weeeellllll Chris, I pulled out all my very best maps... the Michelins do not go into enough detail, tho I did see the town of Killiney and Killiney BAY on the map jsut where you described it would be, SE of Dublin proper. From what I can see, the area is quite small and you are to the "picking nits" stage of the game Since it is your birthday I just suggest you ask for a birthday plane ticket and simply go to Killiney and find Brennanstown for yourself! You are soooooo close, and after all, it is your birthday! Yes, you may print this and give it to appropriate family members! Don't forget to share the results of your quest with the list when you get back ;] I am a firm believer in positive thinking! Jana Chris and Kathy Kirwan wrote: > I knew that "my" Kirwans were in Killeagh (near Avoca) in Co. Wicklow in > 1859-67, and that they were in Foxrock, Co. Dublin, in 1901, but I had been > able to trace where else they might have been, until today, when I finally > found a birth record for Thomas Kirwan showing that he was born 1892 at > Brennanstown, in the District of Killiney, PLU Rathdown, Co. Dublin. > My maps show a place called Killiney in the very SE tip of Co. Dublin, but I > can't find Brennanstown. Since today's my birthday, I feel lucky enough to > ask if any kind soul can locate Brennanstown for me? What parish is it in? > Thanks. > > Chris Kirwan > > ==== KIRWIN Mailing List ==== > TO SUBSCRIBE: email KIRWIN-L-request@rootsweb.com writing only the word > SUBSCRIBE in the message body. If you prefer a DIGEST mode, substitute > the letter "D" for the "L" in the above address (use no quotation marks).

> Chris and Kathy Kirwan wrote: > > > I knew that "my" Kirwans were in Killeagh (near Avoca) in Co. Wicklow in > > 1859-67, and that they were in Foxrock, Co. Dublin, in 1901, but I had been > > able to trace where else they might have been, until today, when I finally > > found a birth record for Thomas Kirwan showing that he was born 1892 at > > Brennanstown, in the District of Killiney, PLU Rathdown, Co. Dublin. > > My maps show a place called Killiney in the very SE tip of Co. Dublin, but I > > can't find Brennanstown. Since today's my birthday, I feel lucky enough to > > ask if any kind soul can locate Brennanstown for me? What parish is it in? > > Thanks. > > > > Chris Kirwan > Never heard of Brennanstown but it might be part of Irish addressing. On my greatgrandfather's tomb in Chicago it simply says, Ballyart. Had us confused since we had heard he was from Ballygarrett, Co. Wexford. On a recent trip to Ireland we found that Ballyart was a clump of a few houses not far from Ballygarrett and that Ballyart would be the first line of the address rather than PO Box Num or Num Street. ie. So and So Ballyart Ballygarrett Co. Wexford Ireland. That on an envelope with a stamp and So and So gets his mail. Paul Kerwin

I knew that "my" Kirwans were in Killeagh (near Avoca) in Co. Wicklow in 1859-67, and that they were in Foxrock, Co. Dublin, in 1901, but I had been able to trace where else they might have been, until today, when I finally found a birth record for Thomas Kirwan showing that he was born 1892 at Brennanstown, in the District of Killiney, PLU Rathdown, Co. Dublin. My maps show a place called Killiney in the very SE tip of Co. Dublin, but I can't find Brennanstown. Since today's my birthday, I feel lucky enough to ask if any kind soul can locate Brennanstown for me? What parish is it in? Thanks. Chris Kirwan