For those of you who are trying to connect to Sir Roger Kirkpatrick of Closeburn (of I Mak Sikkar fame), we now have a DNA baseline that can confirm (or refute) descent from the Closeburn Kirkpatricks. One has had his lineage traced to Closeburn in the 1700s, another descends from Wm of Conheath (ancestor of Empress Eugenie) and the most recent is a proven descendant of Sir James Kirkpatrick, 4th baronet Kirkpatrick of Closeburn. If you, or a male kirkpatrick relative takes a Y-DNA test ( https://www.familytreedna.com/products/y-dna#/compare ) & match these 3 kits (314969, 284424 & IN25615) you are indeed a descendant of the Closeburn Kirkpatricks. Tom Caulley

Please remove jamesrhume@gmail.com from your list. He has passed away. Thank you. On Friday, June 15, 2018, Tom Caulley via KIRKPATRICK < kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com> wrote: > For those of you who are trying to connect to Sir Roger Kirkpatrick of > Closeburn (of I Mak Sikkar fame), we now have a DNA baseline that can > confirm (or refute) descent from the Closeburn Kirkpatricks. One has had > his lineage traced to Closeburn in the 1700s, another descends from Wm of > Conheath (ancestor of Empress Eugenie) and the most recent is a proven > descendant of Sir James Kirkpatrick, 4th baronet Kirkpatrick of Closeburn. > If you, or a male kirkpatrick relative takes a Y-DNA test ( > https://www.familytreedna.com/products/y-dna#/compare ) & match these 3 > kits (314969, 284424 & IN25615) you are indeed a descendant of the > Closeburn Kirkpatricks. > > Tom Caulley > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ > kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ > kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Tom: Is that the only way to do the Y-DNA? I’ve already had my DNA done (on Ancestry); that’s not useful for this purpose? Scott Thomson High Priest, Eau Claire Chapter No. 36 Royal Arch Masons Past Master, Lodges 271 and 351, Free and Accepted Masons 32º Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite Knight Templar, York Rite of Freemasonry State Representative for Wisconsin, Clan MacThomas Society North America mchomie@triwest.net > On Jun 15, 2018, at 12:22 PM, Tom Caulley via KIRKPATRICK <kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > For those of you who are trying to connect to Sir Roger Kirkpatrick of Closeburn (of I Mak Sikkar fame), we now have a DNA baseline that can confirm (or refute) descent from the Closeburn Kirkpatricks. One has had his lineage traced to Closeburn in the 1700s, another descends from Wm of Conheath (ancestor of Empress Eugenie) and the most recent is a proven descendant of Sir James Kirkpatrick, 4th baronet Kirkpatrick of Closeburn. If you, or a male kirkpatrick relative takes a Y-DNA test ( https://www.familytreedna.com/products/y-dna#/compare ) & match these 3 kits (314969, 284424 & IN25615) you are indeed a descendant of the Closeburn Kirkpatricks. > > Tom Caulley > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >

Scott, Sorry, the type of DNA tests that Ancestry markets are autosomal-DNA (atDNA) which uses all the Non-Sex chromosomes.  Basically, you receive 1/2 of your atDNA from your father and 1/2 from your mother, then 1/4 from each grandparent, 1/8 from each great grandparent and so forth.  After about 5 generations (about 125 to 200 years ago) the percentage inherited from each ancestor is so small it's useless in calculating matches. Besides the limited # of generations, there is no way to tell which ancestor provided the matching DNA segment (for example it could have been your father's mother's mother's father's father   or your mother's father's mother's father's mother OR any one of your 32 ancestors at the 5 generation level, there's just no way to tell which one). To match our baseline Y-DNA you would need to find a living male Kirkpatrick relative, with an unbroken KIRKPATRICK father-son chain) and convince them to provide you with a DNA sample. Once the DNA trail goes through a woman, it is useless for a Y-DNA test since women do not have a Y-chromosome.  My personal Kirkpatrick ancestor was my great great great grandmother.  We were fortunate enough to find a Kirkpatrick Male Descendant of her brother and HE provided us with a sample.   That's the ONLY way it can be done. Tom   On Saturday, June 23, 2018, 11:42:58 AM EDT, Scott Thomson <mchomie@triwest.net> wrote: Tom:     Is that the only way to do the Y-DNA? I’ve already had my DNA done (on Ancestry); that’s not useful for this purpose? Scott Thomson High Priest, Eau Claire Chapter No. 36 Royal Arch Masons Past Master, Lodges 271 and 351, Free and Accepted Masons 32º Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite Knight Templar, York Rite of Freemasonry State Representative for Wisconsin, Clan MacThomas Society North America mchomie@triwest.net > On Jun 15, 2018, at 12:22 PM, Tom Caulley via KIRKPATRICK <kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > For those of you who are trying to connect to Sir Roger Kirkpatrick of Closeburn (of I Mak Sikkar fame), we now have a DNA baseline that can confirm (or refute) descent from the Closeburn Kirkpatricks. One has had his lineage traced to Closeburn in the 1700s, another descends from Wm of Conheath (ancestor of Empress Eugenie) and the most recent is a proven descendant of Sir James Kirkpatrick, 4th baronet Kirkpatrick of Closeburn. If you, or a male kirkpatrick relative takes a Y-DNA test ( https://www.familytreedna.com/products/y-dna#/compare ) & match these 3 kits (314969, 284424 & IN25615) you are indeed a descendant of the Closeburn Kirkpatricks. > > Tom Caulley > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Tom, We have an unbroken line of male Kirkpatrick descendants, with paper documentation, from Alexander Kirkpatrick b. 1741 of Orange County, NC. On the FTDNA chart I found that his dna matches that of the James Kirkpatrick of South Carolina. But it did not match the Alexander Kirkpatrick of Watties Neach. Do you know if those dna descendants of James Kirkpatrick of SC and the Watties Neach Alexander have paper documentation? Cheryl Kirkpatrick -----Original Message----- From: Tom Caulley via KIRKPATRICK <kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com> To: kirkpatrick <kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com> Cc: Tom Caulley <tcaulleysgenmail@yahoo.com> Sent: Sat, Jun 23, 2018 9:32 am Subject: [KIRKPATRICK] Re: DNA Baseline Scott, Sorry, the type of DNA tests that Ancestry markets are autosomal-DNA (atDNA) which uses all the Non-Sex chromosomes. Basically, you receive 1/2 of your atDNA from your father and 1/2 from your mother, then 1/4 from each grandparent, 1/8 from each great grandparent and so forth. After about 5 generations (about 125 to 200 years ago) the percentage inherited from each ancestor is so small it's useless in calculating matches. Besides the limited # of generations, there is no way to tell which ancestor provided the matching DNA segment (for example it could have been your father's mother's mother's father's father or your mother's father's mother's father's mother OR any one of your 32 ancestors at the 5 generation level, there's just no way to tell which one). To match our baseline Y-DNA you would need to find a living male Kirkpatrick relative, with an unbroken KIRKPATRICK father-son chain) and convince them to provide you with a DNA sample. Once the DNA trail goes through a woman, it is useless for a Y-DNA test since women do not have a Y-chromosome. My personal Kirkpatrick ancestor was my great great great grandmother. We were fortunate enough to find a Kirkpatrick Male Descendant of her brother and HE provided us with a sample. That's the ONLY way it can be done. Tom On Saturday, June 23, 2018, 11:42:58 AM EDT, Scott Thomson <mchomie@triwest.net> wrote: Tom: Is that the only way to do the Y-DNA? I’ve already had my DNA done (on Ancestry); that’s not useful for this purpose? Scott Thomson High Priest, Eau Claire Chapter No. 36 Royal Arch Masons Past Master, Lodges 271 and 351, Free and Accepted Masons 32º Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite Knight Templar, York Rite of Freemasonry State Representative for Wisconsin, Clan MacThomas Society North America mchomie@triwest.net > On Jun 15, 2018, at 12:22 PM, Tom Caulley via KIRKPATRICK <kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > For those of you who are trying to connect to Sir Roger Kirkpatrick of Closeburn (of I Mak Sikkar fame), we now have a DNA baseline that can confirm (or refute) descent from the Closeburn Kirkpatricks. One has had his lineage traced to Closeburn in the 1700s, another descends from Wm of Conheath (ancestor of Empress Eugenie) and the most recent is a proven descendant of Sir James Kirkpatrick, 4th baronet Kirkpatrick of Closeburn. If you, or a male kirkpatrick relative takes a Y-DNA test ( https://www.familytreedna.com/products/y-dna#/compare ) & match these 3 kits (314969, 284424 & IN25615) you are indeed a descendant of the Closeburn Kirkpatricks. > > Tom Caulley > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebprefUnsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Cheryl, There is no paper trail from James to the Alexander of Watties Neach (Wallace's house)  What is your kit number? Tom On Saturday, June 23, 2018, 2:10:47 PM EDT, Cheryl Kirkpatrick via KIRKPATRICK <kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com> wrote: Tom, We have an unbroken line of male Kirkpatrick descendants, with paper documentation, from Alexander Kirkpatrick b. 1741 of Orange County, NC.  On the FTDNA chart I found that his dna matches that of the James Kirkpatrick of South Carolina.  But it did not match the Alexander Kirkpatrick of Watties Neach.  Do you know if those dna descendants of James Kirkpatrick of SC and the Watties Neach Alexander have paper documentation? Cheryl Kirkpatrick

Tom, I don't have a kit number. That is why I was wondering if kit # 281059 Haplo group R-M269 has a paper trail from Alexander Kirkpatrick born 1741 of Orange County, NC that I could use to see if it is an unbroken line and true. This kit # 281059 matches James Kirkpatrick died. 1786 SC's kit #279492. I think. If I am wrong, please correct me. I can see that the Wattie's Neach descendant kit # 292475 Haplo group E-L117 is a different Haplo group. Is my assumption correct that there is no match to James Kirkpatrick of SC to the Watties Neach Kirkpatrick? Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: Tom Caulley via KIRKPATRICK <kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com> To: Cheryl Kirkpatrick via KIRKPATRICK <kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com> Cc: Tom Caulley <tcaulleysgenmail@yahoo.com> Sent: Sat, Jun 23, 2018 11:50 am Subject: [KIRKPATRICK] Re: DNA Baseline Cheryl, There is no paper trail from James to the Alexander of Watties Neach (Wallace's house) What is your kit number? Tom On Saturday, June 23, 2018, 2:10:47 PM EDT, Cheryl Kirkpatrick via KIRKPATRICK <kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com> wrote: Tom, We have an unbroken line of male Kirkpatrick descendants, with paper documentation, from Alexander Kirkpatrick b. 1741 of Orange County, NC. On the FTDNA chart I found that his dna matches that of the James Kirkpatrick of South Carolina. But it did not match the Alexander Kirkpatrick of Watties Neach. Do you know if those dna descendants of James Kirkpatrick of SC and the Watties Neach Alexander have paper documentation? Cheryl Kirkpatrick _______________________________________________Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebprefUnsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

None proven at this time On Saturday, June 23, 2018, 3:46:29 PM EDT, Cheryl Kirkpatrick via KIRKPATRICK <kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com> wrote: Tom, I can see that the  Wattie's Neach descendant kit # 292475 Haplo group E-L117 is a different Haplo group.  Is my assumption correct that there is no match to James Kirkpatrick of SC to the Watties Neach Kirkpatrick? Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: Tom Caulley via KIRKPATRICK <kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com> To: Cheryl Kirkpatrick via KIRKPATRICK <kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com> Cc: Tom Caulley <tcaulleysgenmail@yahoo.com> Sent: Sat, Jun 23, 2018 11:50 am Subject: [KIRKPATRICK] Re: DNA Baseline Cheryl, There is no paper trail from James to the Alexander of Watties Neach (Wallace's house) What is your kit number? Tom     On Saturday, June 23, 2018, 2:10:47 PM EDT, Cheryl Kirkpatrick via KIRKPATRICK <kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com> wrote:  Tom, We have an unbroken line of male Kirkpatrick descendants, with paper documentation, from Alexander Kirkpatrick b. 1741 of Orange County, NC.  On the FTDNA chart I found that his dna matches that of the James Kirkpatrick of South Carolina.  But it did not match the Alexander Kirkpatrick of Watties Neach.  Do you know if those dna descendants of James Kirkpatrick of SC and the Watties Neach Alexander have paper documentation? Cheryl Kirkpatrick   _______________________________________________Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebprefUnsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community