joy, here is the e-mail you sent to the list:()), happy huntin' Michael L. Barks Missouri CnTryboy@Show-Me.Net ---------- > Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 19:40:52 > From: Jim and Joy > To: KIRKPATRICK-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Unidentified subject! > > I am researching Kirkpatricks or Kilpatricks that emigrated from > Ireland circa 1842/43? I have at least 5 possible brothers that were > found living in the same area of the Argenteuil/Terrebonne counties of > Quebec, Canada from the 1851 census. (listed as Kilpatricks). John > (abt 1821), Alexander (abt 1820), James (abt 1820), Robert(abt 1825) > and William(abt 1825). There might be a David also living not so far > away. John is my direct ancestor. I believe he married Nancy Agnes > McCharter/McArthur (abt 1822) in Ireland. There is some confusion > regarding their eldest daughter, Maria Templeton Kirkpatrick, as she > emigrated after her parents per the 1901 census (1852) and gave her > birth date as November 1848. Other sources have her birth date in > 1845. The 1851 census has her born in Canada, and others as being > born in Ireland. Alexander, single in 1851 was living with single > Robert. When he married in 1853, Robert and William were witnesses, > but no parents names were given. I have found a reference to > Alexander having a twin named James. James was married to Agnes > McCollock/McCauley? And daughter Annie (abt 1844)was born in Ireland. > Jamess descendants are the only ones to still go by Kilpatrick, > although one grandson and his descendants go by Kirkpatrick. William > was married to Mathilde Hanny (per 1851 census) I have not found any > other reference at this time after 1853 to either Robert or William. > David and his wife Margarete Miller, were found living in Chatham, > Argenteuil, Que., when they had 5 kids baptized on the same day in > 1873. Im not sure whether he is related or not. > My father had heard that our ancestors had come from Co Mayo and his > cousin told me that he heard Co. Cork. The following is an excerpt > from a family history from Alexanders side: > > Alexander Kirkpatrick (1821-1903) (Enids Grandfather), Born County > Antrim, Ireland of Scotch parents married Nancy (Annie) Brown > (1830-1888) from Glasgow, Scotland. They were married in 1854 in > Morin Hts, Que. > > John Kirkpatrick (1822- ) Enids Great Uncle married Agnes McArthur > (1822-1910) born in Coloraine, N. Ireland on Nov 14, 1843 (Originally > from Kirk Hill area on the Clyde River) > > I am curious to know whether or not Coloraine and Kirk Hill area, > refers to Agnes or John? Where is the Kirk Hill area? Does anyone > know anything about these families? > > ------------------------- > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/k/i/r/Joy-D-Kirkpatrick/ > > > > ==== KIRKPATRICK Mailing List ==== > Join and support RootsWeb, home of the Kirkpatrick list and many other > genealogy lists and resources. > To learn more about my world visit http://dwp.bigplanet.com/kburnett > Visit the following Rootsweb site regarding the surname Kirkpatrick > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/k/i/KIRKPATRICK/ >
> There are several who descend from a James K of SC, but ate they the same James as yours, and do you have a proven line of descent from James K of SC? My descent from James Franklin Kirpatrick (b. 1743, d. 1 Jan 1871, at the hands of Loyalist neighbors) is pretty well established by the Mel Kirkpatrick/David Hudson books. The only problematic generation is that of Great-Great-Grandma Mary (Kirkpatrick) Williams, because there isn’t much info about her in either book, and there are no records of her death (except for a minor mention in a local newspaper) or burial. She is listed in the will of her father, James Harrison Kirkpatrick, though. And Ancestry DNA and GedMatch support that descent because of the number of distant cousins who are either Kirkpatrick descendants, or descend from Thomas Newton Kirkpatrick’s mother’s side, the Gillhams, Aycocks, etc. > > Come join us at https://www.facebook.com/groups/KirkpatrickGenealogy/ <https://www.facebook.com/groups/KirkpatrickGenealogy/> where several of James's descendants are members. I think I already am a member. Scott Thomson mchomie@triwest.net
None proven at this time On Saturday, June 23, 2018, 3:46:29 PM EDT, Cheryl Kirkpatrick via KIRKPATRICK <kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com> wrote: Tom, I can see that the Wattie's Neach descendant kit # 292475 Haplo group E-L117 is a different Haplo group. Is my assumption correct that there is no match to James Kirkpatrick of SC to the Watties Neach Kirkpatrick? Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: Tom Caulley via KIRKPATRICK <kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com> To: Cheryl Kirkpatrick via KIRKPATRICK <kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com> Cc: Tom Caulley <tcaulleysgenmail@yahoo.com> Sent: Sat, Jun 23, 2018 11:50 am Subject: [KIRKPATRICK] Re: DNA Baseline Cheryl, There is no paper trail from James to the Alexander of Watties Neach (Wallace's house) What is your kit number? Tom On Saturday, June 23, 2018, 2:10:47 PM EDT, Cheryl Kirkpatrick via KIRKPATRICK <kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com> wrote: Tom, We have an unbroken line of male Kirkpatrick descendants, with paper documentation, from Alexander Kirkpatrick b. 1741 of Orange County, NC. On the FTDNA chart I found that his dna matches that of the James Kirkpatrick of South Carolina. But it did not match the Alexander Kirkpatrick of Watties Neach. Do you know if those dna descendants of James Kirkpatrick of SC and the Watties Neach Alexander have paper documentation? Cheryl Kirkpatrick _______________________________________________Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebprefUnsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
Tom, I don't have a kit number. That is why I was wondering if kit # 281059 Haplo group R-M269 has a paper trail from Alexander Kirkpatrick born 1741 of Orange County, NC that I could use to see if it is an unbroken line and true. This kit # 281059 matches James Kirkpatrick died. 1786 SC's kit #279492. I think. If I am wrong, please correct me. I can see that the Wattie's Neach descendant kit # 292475 Haplo group E-L117 is a different Haplo group. Is my assumption correct that there is no match to James Kirkpatrick of SC to the Watties Neach Kirkpatrick? Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: Tom Caulley via KIRKPATRICK <kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com> To: Cheryl Kirkpatrick via KIRKPATRICK <kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com> Cc: Tom Caulley <tcaulleysgenmail@yahoo.com> Sent: Sat, Jun 23, 2018 11:50 am Subject: [KIRKPATRICK] Re: DNA Baseline Cheryl, There is no paper trail from James to the Alexander of Watties Neach (Wallace's house) What is your kit number? Tom On Saturday, June 23, 2018, 2:10:47 PM EDT, Cheryl Kirkpatrick via KIRKPATRICK <kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com> wrote: Tom, We have an unbroken line of male Kirkpatrick descendants, with paper documentation, from Alexander Kirkpatrick b. 1741 of Orange County, NC. On the FTDNA chart I found that his dna matches that of the James Kirkpatrick of South Carolina. But it did not match the Alexander Kirkpatrick of Watties Neach. Do you know if those dna descendants of James Kirkpatrick of SC and the Watties Neach Alexander have paper documentation? Cheryl Kirkpatrick _______________________________________________Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebprefUnsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
Cheryl, There is no paper trail from James to the Alexander of Watties Neach (Wallace's house) What is your kit number? Tom On Saturday, June 23, 2018, 2:10:47 PM EDT, Cheryl Kirkpatrick via KIRKPATRICK <kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com> wrote: Tom, We have an unbroken line of male Kirkpatrick descendants, with paper documentation, from Alexander Kirkpatrick b. 1741 of Orange County, NC. On the FTDNA chart I found that his dna matches that of the James Kirkpatrick of South Carolina. But it did not match the Alexander Kirkpatrick of Watties Neach. Do you know if those dna descendants of James Kirkpatrick of SC and the Watties Neach Alexander have paper documentation? Cheryl Kirkpatrick
Tom, We have an unbroken line of male Kirkpatrick descendants, with paper documentation, from Alexander Kirkpatrick b. 1741 of Orange County, NC. On the FTDNA chart I found that his dna matches that of the James Kirkpatrick of South Carolina. But it did not match the Alexander Kirkpatrick of Watties Neach. Do you know if those dna descendants of James Kirkpatrick of SC and the Watties Neach Alexander have paper documentation? Cheryl Kirkpatrick -----Original Message----- From: Tom Caulley via KIRKPATRICK <kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com> To: kirkpatrick <kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com> Cc: Tom Caulley <tcaulleysgenmail@yahoo.com> Sent: Sat, Jun 23, 2018 9:32 am Subject: [KIRKPATRICK] Re: DNA Baseline Scott, Sorry, the type of DNA tests that Ancestry markets are autosomal-DNA (atDNA) which uses all the Non-Sex chromosomes. Basically, you receive 1/2 of your atDNA from your father and 1/2 from your mother, then 1/4 from each grandparent, 1/8 from each great grandparent and so forth. After about 5 generations (about 125 to 200 years ago) the percentage inherited from each ancestor is so small it's useless in calculating matches. Besides the limited # of generations, there is no way to tell which ancestor provided the matching DNA segment (for example it could have been your father's mother's mother's father's father or your mother's father's mother's father's mother OR any one of your 32 ancestors at the 5 generation level, there's just no way to tell which one). To match our baseline Y-DNA you would need to find a living male Kirkpatrick relative, with an unbroken KIRKPATRICK father-son chain) and convince them to provide you with a DNA sample. Once the DNA trail goes through a woman, it is useless for a Y-DNA test since women do not have a Y-chromosome. My personal Kirkpatrick ancestor was my great great great grandmother. We were fortunate enough to find a Kirkpatrick Male Descendant of her brother and HE provided us with a sample. That's the ONLY way it can be done. Tom On Saturday, June 23, 2018, 11:42:58 AM EDT, Scott Thomson <mchomie@triwest.net> wrote: Tom: Is that the only way to do the Y-DNA? I’ve already had my DNA done (on Ancestry); that’s not useful for this purpose? Scott Thomson High Priest, Eau Claire Chapter No. 36 Royal Arch Masons Past Master, Lodges 271 and 351, Free and Accepted Masons 32º Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite Knight Templar, York Rite of Freemasonry State Representative for Wisconsin, Clan MacThomas Society North America mchomie@triwest.net > On Jun 15, 2018, at 12:22 PM, Tom Caulley via KIRKPATRICK <kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > For those of you who are trying to connect to Sir Roger Kirkpatrick of Closeburn (of I Mak Sikkar fame), we now have a DNA baseline that can confirm (or refute) descent from the Closeburn Kirkpatricks. One has had his lineage traced to Closeburn in the 1700s, another descends from Wm of Conheath (ancestor of Empress Eugenie) and the most recent is a proven descendant of Sir James Kirkpatrick, 4th baronet Kirkpatrick of Closeburn. If you, or a male kirkpatrick relative takes a Y-DNA test ( https://www.familytreedna.com/products/y-dna#/compare ) & match these 3 kits (314969, 284424 & IN25615) you are indeed a descendant of the Closeburn Kirkpatricks. > > Tom Caulley > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebprefUnsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
There are several who descend from a James K of SC, but ate they the same James as yours, and do you have a proven line of descent from James K of SC? Come join us at https://www.facebook.com/groups/KirkpatrickGenealogy/ where several of James's descendants are members. Tom On Saturday, June 23, 2018, 1:11:32 PM EDT, Scott Thomson <mchomie@triwest.net> wrote: > My personal Kirkpatrick ancestor was my great great great grandmother. We were fortunate enough to find a Kirkpatrick Male Descendant of her brother and HE provided us with a sample. > That's the ONLY way it can be done. > Tom Well, I don’t have to reach back quite that far — last ancestor born Kirkpatrick was Great-Great-Grandmother Mary S. (Kirkpatrick) Williams, b. 1826, Bond Co., IL, to James Harrison KP, son of Thomas Newton. She had two brothers: Samuel, who I’m not sure had any male descendants; and Thomas, who — after his first wife and son died while he was Gold Rushing — ended up in British Columbia marrying at least three “Native American” women, by whom he had at least seven sons. Might be hard to track them down … But, based on your situation, you can go back at least one more generation than that. But I’m supposed to be a descendant of South Carolina James Franklin KP, and I would think there would be some male amongst his thousands of descendants who’s of all-male descent and has had the Y-DNA test done? Scott Thomson mchomie@triwest.net _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community Links in the message (1) | | Security Check Required |
> My personal Kirkpatrick ancestor was my great great great grandmother. We were fortunate enough to find a Kirkpatrick Male Descendant of her brother and HE provided us with a sample. > That's the ONLY way it can be done. > Tom Well, I don’t have to reach back quite that far — last ancestor born Kirkpatrick was Great-Great-Grandmother Mary S. (Kirkpatrick) Williams, b. 1826, Bond Co., IL, to James Harrison KP, son of Thomas Newton. She had two brothers: Samuel, who I’m not sure had any male descendants; and Thomas, who — after his first wife and son died while he was Gold Rushing — ended up in British Columbia marrying at least three “Native American” women, by whom he had at least seven sons. Might be hard to track them down … But, based on your situation, you can go back at least one more generation than that. But I’m supposed to be a descendant of South Carolina James Franklin KP, and I would think there would be some male amongst his thousands of descendants who’s of all-male descent and has had the Y-DNA test done? Scott Thomson mchomie@triwest.net
Scott, Sorry, the type of DNA tests that Ancestry markets are autosomal-DNA (atDNA) which uses all the Non-Sex chromosomes. Basically, you receive 1/2 of your atDNA from your father and 1/2 from your mother, then 1/4 from each grandparent, 1/8 from each great grandparent and so forth. After about 5 generations (about 125 to 200 years ago) the percentage inherited from each ancestor is so small it's useless in calculating matches. Besides the limited # of generations, there is no way to tell which ancestor provided the matching DNA segment (for example it could have been your father's mother's mother's father's father or your mother's father's mother's father's mother OR any one of your 32 ancestors at the 5 generation level, there's just no way to tell which one). To match our baseline Y-DNA you would need to find a living male Kirkpatrick relative, with an unbroken KIRKPATRICK father-son chain) and convince them to provide you with a DNA sample. Once the DNA trail goes through a woman, it is useless for a Y-DNA test since women do not have a Y-chromosome. My personal Kirkpatrick ancestor was my great great great grandmother. We were fortunate enough to find a Kirkpatrick Male Descendant of her brother and HE provided us with a sample. That's the ONLY way it can be done. Tom On Saturday, June 23, 2018, 11:42:58 AM EDT, Scott Thomson <mchomie@triwest.net> wrote: Tom: Is that the only way to do the Y-DNA? I’ve already had my DNA done (on Ancestry); that’s not useful for this purpose? Scott Thomson High Priest, Eau Claire Chapter No. 36 Royal Arch Masons Past Master, Lodges 271 and 351, Free and Accepted Masons 32º Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite Knight Templar, York Rite of Freemasonry State Representative for Wisconsin, Clan MacThomas Society North America mchomie@triwest.net > On Jun 15, 2018, at 12:22 PM, Tom Caulley via KIRKPATRICK <kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > For those of you who are trying to connect to Sir Roger Kirkpatrick of Closeburn (of I Mak Sikkar fame), we now have a DNA baseline that can confirm (or refute) descent from the Closeburn Kirkpatricks. One has had his lineage traced to Closeburn in the 1700s, another descends from Wm of Conheath (ancestor of Empress Eugenie) and the most recent is a proven descendant of Sir James Kirkpatrick, 4th baronet Kirkpatrick of Closeburn. If you, or a male kirkpatrick relative takes a Y-DNA test ( https://www.familytreedna.com/products/y-dna#/compare ) & match these 3 kits (314969, 284424 & IN25615) you are indeed a descendant of the Closeburn Kirkpatricks. > > Tom Caulley > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
Tom: Is that the only way to do the Y-DNA? I’ve already had my DNA done (on Ancestry); that’s not useful for this purpose? Scott Thomson High Priest, Eau Claire Chapter No. 36 Royal Arch Masons Past Master, Lodges 271 and 351, Free and Accepted Masons 32º Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite Knight Templar, York Rite of Freemasonry State Representative for Wisconsin, Clan MacThomas Society North America mchomie@triwest.net > On Jun 15, 2018, at 12:22 PM, Tom Caulley via KIRKPATRICK <kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > For those of you who are trying to connect to Sir Roger Kirkpatrick of Closeburn (of I Mak Sikkar fame), we now have a DNA baseline that can confirm (or refute) descent from the Closeburn Kirkpatricks. One has had his lineage traced to Closeburn in the 1700s, another descends from Wm of Conheath (ancestor of Empress Eugenie) and the most recent is a proven descendant of Sir James Kirkpatrick, 4th baronet Kirkpatrick of Closeburn. If you, or a male kirkpatrick relative takes a Y-DNA test ( https://www.familytreedna.com/products/y-dna#/compare ) & match these 3 kits (314969, 284424 & IN25615) you are indeed a descendant of the Closeburn Kirkpatricks. > > Tom Caulley > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >
Please remove jamesrhume@gmail.com from your list. He has passed away. Thank you. On Friday, June 15, 2018, Tom Caulley via KIRKPATRICK < kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com> wrote: > For those of you who are trying to connect to Sir Roger Kirkpatrick of > Closeburn (of I Mak Sikkar fame), we now have a DNA baseline that can > confirm (or refute) descent from the Closeburn Kirkpatricks. One has had > his lineage traced to Closeburn in the 1700s, another descends from Wm of > Conheath (ancestor of Empress Eugenie) and the most recent is a proven > descendant of Sir James Kirkpatrick, 4th baronet Kirkpatrick of Closeburn. > If you, or a male kirkpatrick relative takes a Y-DNA test ( > https://www.familytreedna.com/products/y-dna#/compare ) & match these 3 > kits (314969, 284424 & IN25615) you are indeed a descendant of the > Closeburn Kirkpatricks. > > Tom Caulley > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ > kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ > kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >
For those of you who are trying to connect to Sir Roger Kirkpatrick of Closeburn (of I Mak Sikkar fame), we now have a DNA baseline that can confirm (or refute) descent from the Closeburn Kirkpatricks. One has had his lineage traced to Closeburn in the 1700s, another descends from Wm of Conheath (ancestor of Empress Eugenie) and the most recent is a proven descendant of Sir James Kirkpatrick, 4th baronet Kirkpatrick of Closeburn. If you, or a male kirkpatrick relative takes a Y-DNA test ( https://www.familytreedna.com/products/y-dna#/compare ) & match these 3 kits (314969, 284424 & IN25615) you are indeed a descendant of the Closeburn Kirkpatricks. Tom Caulley
Hello Robert, While I have not made any new information postings for a while, the Facebook page has had a lot of activity and I have been corresponding with many of the visitors. I am not familiar with the line that you have presented, as my line comes in from Scotland in 1725 to County Antrim (Belfast/Northern Ireland) and then they leave Ireland from Belfast to New Castle, Delaware in 1736. My James Kirkpatrick (known as the Immigrant) [1710-1786], his son James [1743-1781] were in York County, SC, but most of the family left to go to Georgia then Illinois and some went to Jackson Co., Tenn. What I would suggest is to contact these pages on Facebook: *Clan Kirkpatrick* [www.facebook.com/groups/clankirkpatrick (this one deals with the Kirkpatrick/Douglas connection which is the majority Kirkpatrick lineages, the Dumfries region of Scotland) *Kirkpatrick Genealogy*; https://www.facebook.com/groups/1448339242100702/ (A very good and very active group) *Clan Kirkpatrick *(there are two of these)https://www.facebook.com/groups/2216813473/ (this one deals with the Colquhoun Clan that was established by a Kirkpatrick from Glasgow area) The researchers on these pages are very good and very willing to help out with your research. I and my wife have been doing genealogy research for 45 years and I don't do much research anymore, but share what I have with those who are looking. That is the main reason for my Facebook page and for my website. Good luck on your future research, the line you cite is a new one to me, but then again, my attention in SC was leaving the colony in 1786 to Georgia then Illinois. John Kirkpatrick, Ellsinore, MO On 2/5/2017 12:15 AM, Robert M. Wilbanks IV wrote: > Hello, > > > > I see this list has not be active for nearly a year. I just joined tonight, > after making a big breakthrough. Let's see what happens with my post. > > > > I've been doing genealogy for 40 years now, and one of my key lines, nearly > from the beginning, is a Kirkpatrick family out of Laurens County, South > Carolina. > > > > My great grandmother was born Sudie Kirkpatrick Milam before she married > Addison White Clem in Alabama in 1901. She was given the Kirkpatrick middle > name from her father's mother, Barbara Hanna Kirkpatrick (1823-1850) of > Laurens County, South Carolina. > > > > Barbara Hanna was the daughter of the Reverend Alexander Kirkpatrick > (1779-1832), minister of Liberty Springs Presbyterian Church, Cross Hill, > Laurens County, South Carolina. His grave marker identifies that he was born > in 1779 in County Antrim, Ireland: > https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr > <https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Kirkpatrick&GSfn=Ale > xander&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSst=43&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GRid=8240629&df=all& > &GSln=Kirkpatrick&GSfn=Alexander&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSst=43&GScntry=4&G > Sob=n&GRid=8240629&df=all& > > > > Early in my research I was able to prove a brother, Thomas, who Alexander > names as administrator in his will: > http://www.archivesindex.sc.gov/onlinearchives/Thumbnails.aspx?recordId=2979 > 38 > > Thomas Kirkpatrick (1796-1848), of Abbeville District, married Jane Maddox, > daughter of Richard Maddox. > > > > Thomas and his brother James purchased 300 acres of land together in Laurens > District in 1819. James Kirkpatrick (1787-1851), of Laurens, married > Elizabeth McKnight, daughter of the Revolutionary War Veteran Andrew > McKnight of Laurens. > > > > These three Kirkpatrick brothers are found coming by ship, indicating they > were from Ulster, to Charleston, South Carolina: Alexander in 1816; James in > 1817; and Thomas in 1818. They became naturalized in 1822, 1823 and 1824. > > > > Since 1990, I haven't been able to identify other family of these three > Kirkpatrick brothers, . . . either in South Carolina nor in Ireland or > Scotland. However, based upon the common names of their children, and the > known (but not fully reliable) Scottish/English naming pattern, I was always > of the belief that their parents were probably a John and Barbara > Kirkpatrick. However, I could never locate any such couple in records in > South Carolina, or Ireland. > > > > However, this morning I made the exciting break-through by discovering the > 1819 probate package of a John Kirkpatrick, in Laurens County, South > Carolina: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-N3S8-WH?i=382 > <https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-N3S8-WH?i=382&wc=MPP5-RM9%3A19 > 0568901%2C190567102%2C190568902%2C191059901&cc=1911928> > &wc=MPP5-RM9%3A190568901%2C190567102%2C190568902%2C191059901&cc=1911928 > > Barbara Kirkpatrick appoints her son Alexander Kirkpatrick to administer her > late husband's estate. > > Final Distribution of the estate is as follows: Barbara Sr., William, > Alexander, Elizabeth, James, Thomas, Barbara Jr., John and Hannah. > > > > I have now quickly found other interactions of the three brothers with the > other legatees of John Kirkpatrick's estate, including James as > Administrator of the estate of William, with Alexander as surety, and more. > > > > I am now hoping that someone might be familiar with this John and Barbara > Kirkpatrick, including who they were, when they came to America and South > Carolina, etc., and/or about all of their children. > > > > Thank you for taking the time to read this, > > > > Robert > > > > > > Robert M. 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Hello, I see this list has not be active for nearly a year. I just joined tonight, after making a big breakthrough. Let's see what happens with my post. I've been doing genealogy for 40 years now, and one of my key lines, nearly from the beginning, is a Kirkpatrick family out of Laurens County, South Carolina. My great grandmother was born Sudie Kirkpatrick Milam before she married Addison White Clem in Alabama in 1901. She was given the Kirkpatrick middle name from her father's mother, Barbara Hanna Kirkpatrick (1823-1850) of Laurens County, South Carolina. Barbara Hanna was the daughter of the Reverend Alexander Kirkpatrick (1779-1832), minister of Liberty Springs Presbyterian Church, Cross Hill, Laurens County, South Carolina. His grave marker identifies that he was born in 1779 in County Antrim, Ireland: https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr <https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Kirkpatrick&GSfn=Ale xander&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSst=43&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GRid=8240629&df=all& > &GSln=Kirkpatrick&GSfn=Alexander&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSst=43&GScntry=4&G Sob=n&GRid=8240629&df=all& Early in my research I was able to prove a brother, Thomas, who Alexander names as administrator in his will: http://www.archivesindex.sc.gov/onlinearchives/Thumbnails.aspx?recordId=2979 38 Thomas Kirkpatrick (1796-1848), of Abbeville District, married Jane Maddox, daughter of Richard Maddox. Thomas and his brother James purchased 300 acres of land together in Laurens District in 1819. James Kirkpatrick (1787-1851), of Laurens, married Elizabeth McKnight, daughter of the Revolutionary War Veteran Andrew McKnight of Laurens. These three Kirkpatrick brothers are found coming by ship, indicating they were from Ulster, to Charleston, South Carolina: Alexander in 1816; James in 1817; and Thomas in 1818. They became naturalized in 1822, 1823 and 1824. Since 1990, I haven't been able to identify other family of these three Kirkpatrick brothers, . . . either in South Carolina nor in Ireland or Scotland. However, based upon the common names of their children, and the known (but not fully reliable) Scottish/English naming pattern, I was always of the belief that their parents were probably a John and Barbara Kirkpatrick. However, I could never locate any such couple in records in South Carolina, or Ireland. However, this morning I made the exciting break-through by discovering the 1819 probate package of a John Kirkpatrick, in Laurens County, South Carolina: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-N3S8-WH?i=382 <https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-N3S8-WH?i=382&wc=MPP5-RM9%3A19 0568901%2C190567102%2C190568902%2C191059901&cc=1911928> &wc=MPP5-RM9%3A190568901%2C190567102%2C190568902%2C191059901&cc=1911928 Barbara Kirkpatrick appoints her son Alexander Kirkpatrick to administer her late husband's estate. Final Distribution of the estate is as follows: Barbara Sr., William, Alexander, Elizabeth, James, Thomas, Barbara Jr., John and Hannah. I have now quickly found other interactions of the three brothers with the other legatees of John Kirkpatrick's estate, including James as Administrator of the estate of William, with Alexander as surety, and more. I am now hoping that someone might be familiar with this John and Barbara Kirkpatrick, including who they were, when they came to America and South Carolina, etc., and/or about all of their children. Thank you for taking the time to read this, Robert Robert M. Wilbanks IV Scottsdale AZ rmwiv@robertwilbanks.com
Great work Shelley! I am sure someone will be very pleased to have this information. Unfortunately my branch, James and Mary (Gillespie) Kirkpatrick came over from Co. Donegal prior to 1840 and settled in Brooklyn....I think. ________________________________________ From: kirkpatrick-bounces@rootsweb.com <kirkpatrick-bounces@rootsweb.com> on behalf of Shelley Cardiel via <kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com> Sent: April 27, 2016 1:31 PM To: KIRKPATRICK@rootsweb.com Subject: [KIRKPATRICK] KIRKPATRICK Family Photograph I've "rescued" an old photograph of George E. KIRKPATRICK which was taken at the Kennedy Studio in Portland, ME. The photograph appears to have been taken in the early 1900's and notes that George is a member of the 1907 Class of Hebron Academy. Based on limited research I was able to locate the following information regarding George and his family: George KIRKPATRICK was b. Jun 1886 in Orangetown, NY to parents Charles F. KIRKPATRICK (1846-1914) and Charlotte "Lottie" F. MASKELL (1852-1927). George was one of 11 children born to this couple including, Mary E.; Lillian; William "Willie" Henry; Charles Francis; Daisy; George; Raymond L.; Harold "Harry" Maynard; Franklyn Babbitt; Lester Lloyd; and Peter KIRKPATRICK, all born between 1874 and 1901. George died in Old Orchard Beach, ME on 5 Mar 1966. I'm hoping to be able to return the photograph to this KIRKPATRICK Family and would appreciate you contacting me if you are a member of this family, or you know someone who might be. Thanks, Shelley ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KIRKPATRICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I've "rescued" an old photograph of George E. KIRKPATRICK which was taken at the Kennedy Studio in Portland, ME. The photograph appears to have been taken in the early 1900's and notes that George is a member of the 1907 Class of Hebron Academy. Based on limited research I was able to locate the following information regarding George and his family: George KIRKPATRICK was b. Jun 1886 in Orangetown, NY to parents Charles F. KIRKPATRICK (1846-1914) and Charlotte "Lottie" F. MASKELL (1852-1927). George was one of 11 children born to this couple including, Mary E.; Lillian; William "Willie" Henry; Charles Francis; Daisy; George; Raymond L.; Harold "Harry" Maynard; Franklyn Babbitt; Lester Lloyd; and Peter KIRKPATRICK, all born between 1874 and 1901. George died in Old Orchard Beach, ME on 5 Mar 1966. I'm hoping to be able to return the photograph to this KIRKPATRICK Family and would appreciate you contacting me if you are a member of this family, or you know someone who might be. Thanks, Shelley
Correct. It must be an unbroken line father-son-father-son line for this type of DNA test From: Scott Thomson via <kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com> To: Tom Caulley <tcaulleysgenmail@yahoo.com>; kirkpatrick@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [KIRKPATRICK] Tri-state area near Chester Co., PA Not familiar with some of this terminology. Do you mean all-male descent from a Kirkpatrick, and not the great-grandson of a female KP? On Feb 11, 2016, at 4:16 PM, Tom Caulley via wrote: > > > ATTENTION KIRKPATRICK MALES > > I am looking for KIRKPATRICK MALES who are willing to do a Y-DNA test to help sort out the different families who descend from any of the following Kirkpatrick men who lived in the following counties BEFORE 1800. > > CHESTER CO., PA (John d 1722; Andrew R-1750s, James R-1720s, Robert R-1730s-40s , Samuel R-1730s, Thomas R-1720s-60s) > > LANCASTER CO., PA (William Sr d 1760 or Jr d 1838, Alexander d 1746 & Samuel d 1788); > > NEW CASTLE CO., DE; (John #1 d 1740s, John #2 d 1750, David d 1759, Wm R-1720s-50s, Samuel R-1750s & 70s, James R-1760s) > > or CECIL CO., MD (John pre-1790) > > I will pay 50% of the test’s cost for the first proven DIRECT-PATERNAL LINE MALE KIRKPATRICK descendant from each of those listed above. Email me at KirkpatrickDNAGroup@yahoo.com > > Tom Caulley > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KIRKPATRICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KIRKPATRICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Not familiar with some of this terminology. Do you mean all-male descent from a Kirkpatrick, and not the great-grandson of a female KP? On Feb 11, 2016, at 4:16 PM, Tom Caulley via wrote: > > > ATTENTION KIRKPATRICK MALES > > I am looking for KIRKPATRICK MALES who are willing to do a Y-DNA test to help sort out the different families who descend from any of the following Kirkpatrick men who lived in the following counties BEFORE 1800. > > CHESTER CO., PA (John d 1722; Andrew R-1750s, James R-1720s, Robert R-1730s-40s , Samuel R-1730s, Thomas R-1720s-60s) > > LANCASTER CO., PA (William Sr d 1760 or Jr d 1838, Alexander d 1746 & Samuel d 1788); > > NEW CASTLE CO., DE; (John #1 d 1740s, John #2 d 1750, David d 1759, Wm R-1720s-50s, Samuel R-1750s & 70s, James R-1760s) > > or CECIL CO., MD (John pre-1790) > > I will pay 50% of the test’s cost for the first proven DIRECT-PATERNAL LINE MALE KIRKPATRICK descendant from each of those listed above. Email me at KirkpatrickDNAGroup@yahoo.com > > Tom Caulley > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KIRKPATRICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
ATTENTION KIRKPATRICK MALES I am looking for KIRKPATRICK MALES who are willing to do a Y-DNA test to help sort out the different families who descend from any of the following Kirkpatrick men who lived in the following counties BEFORE 1800. CHESTER CO., PA (John d 1722; Andrew R-1750s, James R-1720s, Robert R-1730s-40s , Samuel R-1730s, Thomas R-1720s-60s) LANCASTER CO., PA (William Sr d 1760 or Jr d 1838, Alexander d 1746 & Samuel d 1788); NEW CASTLE CO., DE; (John #1 d 1740s, John #2 d 1750, David d 1759, Wm R-1720s-50s, Samuel R-1750s & 70s, James R-1760s) or CECIL CO., MD (John pre-1790) I will pay 50% of the test’s cost for the first proven DIRECT-PATERNAL LINE MALE KIRKPATRICK descendant from each of those listed above. Email me at KirkpatrickDNAGroup@yahoo.com Tom Caulley
ATTENTION KIRKPATRICK MALES I am looking for KIRKPATRICK MALES who are willing to do a Y-DNA test to help sort out the different families who descend from any of the following Kirkpatrick men who lived in the following counties BEFORE 1800. CHESTER CO., PA (John d 1722; Andrew R-1750s, James R-1720s, Robert R-1730s-40s , Samuel R-1730s, Thomas R-1720s-60s) LANCASTER CO., PA (William Sr d 1760 or Jr d 1838, Alexander d 1746 & Samuel d 1788); NEW CASTLE CO., DE; (John #1 d 1740s, John #2 d 1750, David d 1759, Wm R-1720s-50s, Samuel R-1750s & 70s, James R-1760s) or CECIL CO., MD (John pre-1790) I will pay 50% of the test’s cost for the first proven DIRECT-PATERNAL LINE MALE KIRKPATRICK descendant from each of those listed above. Email me at KirkpatrickDNAGroup@yahoo.com Tom Caulley