It's not at all clear to me how one is supposed to Reply, on this list. Perhaps this will work. Don, how secret is the list of the 12 FF participants? Is it something only visible in GAP? My only obvious FF match whose FTDNA public info mentions the Kincaid surname is Carolyn Sue Kincaid Chesnut -- who was on this list briefly in 1998-99, but seems not to have remained aboard. I have no idea whether a male relative of hers has tested Y-DNA and is in the public Kincaid project. I transferred my 23andMe results to FTDNA as soon as that option was available (and while that was still $50). About two years ago. I'm FTDNA #195834, if you need that. Btw #2562 is not in group A-2c; but I concede Peter's point that someone in that group has in fact tested -- #57467. Since it was done by the targeted method, and those SNPs aren't on the 2010 version of the Haplotree still in use by the FTDNA software, the posted haplogroup is still R1b1a2 (in red). Someday, that will update; what else can one believe. I had not checked all seven group members' SNP results, and the other 6 haven't tested, but don't really need to. Z1 is rather far out on a branch of U106, and my speculation was based on this small group's having the key off-modals of the old North/South Cluster of P312 (at DYS437, 448, and GATA-H4). Given that A-2c is indeed a U106 subclade, only the DYS437=14 seems to be off-modal, within its parent group. Dick Hulan On Jan 5, 2014, at 4:11 PM, kincaid-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 13:39:41 -0700 > From: "Don W Kincaid" <donwkincaid@cox.net> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA origins of the Kincaids > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <FA13AAE2974C42DEBD3070745888C041@DonHP> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Richard Hulan, > > Thanks for your comments and rejoining the Kincaid Research List. > > We have 12 Kincaid participants who have done Family Finder dna test but do > not have a results chart for Family Finder participants. We have had several > in Group A do SNP tests including Group A 2C. For example # 2562 shows > "Kinkead Robert Kinkead, b.c 1730, Tyrone, Ireland R1b1a2a1a1a4 > R-L48 L48+, Z346+, Z7+, Z343-" . We also have several who had done the mt > dna tests. We also have participants who have ordered the Big Y which we > look forward to. > > I believe you did 23andme autosomal dna test so you should show a match with > one or more of the Kincaid Family Finder participants unless there has been > non-paternity events. You can upload your 23andme results to Family Tree DNA > for a fee which you might want to do since Family Tree DNA has done more > tests so will give you more possible matches. Do you show any autosomal > matches with any Kincaid participant? > > I see your cousin shows descent from David/Winifred. We have one Kinkead > vetted as descendant of David/Winifred, #198598. We have 2 others, 1255 and > 28835, who believe they also descend from David/Winifred and I personally > agree with them however one gen link is not documented and depends on > circumstantial evidence. > > Happy Hunting, > > Don Kincaid # 1427 > Kincaid Surname DNA admin team >