Obituary for Kirby Kincaid Kincaid, Kirby Lee..age 60. of Carelton Michigan died Friday December 20th 2013. He was born July 19th 1953 in Sweet Home Oregon to the late Stanley L. Kincaid and Nila Marie (Irwin) Kincaid. Kirby grew up in the Crawfordsville, Sweet Home area. He attended Crawfordsville grade school and Sweet Home High School. In September of 1970 with Mother Nila and Sister Melanie moved to Gould City, Michigan after our father died. He graduated from High School there. After High School he worked as a carpenter for a little while until he joined the Army. He was stationed in Germany most of that time until he came home after his Honorable discharge. He then went back to work as a Carpenter for many years. He also drove truck for about 10 years then went back to work as a Carpenter for many years again. He became ill this past year with cancer which be battled with everything he had. He was preceded in death by his parents and oldest brother David. He is survived by his wife Donna Kincaid of Carleton, (although Kirby had know blood children of his own he was very proud of all of his step children,grand children and well loved by them)sons, Gary Clark of Carleton and Stephen (Nichole) Welters of Munising; daughters, Rebecca (Phillip) Baranowski of Colorado Spring and Jean Ann Vorves of Carleton; 6 grandchildren and 5 great-grandchildren; brothers Danny (wife Kathy) Kincaid of Goldendale WA., Douglas (wife Debra) of Oregon. and sister Melanie Vallier and husband Joe of Mount Vernon WA. All though Kirby was taken home to the Lord early by our standards, the Lord needed another Carpenter to help build the many mansions that will be needed when he calls us home. Memorials may be made to the Cancer Society or Humane Society. > From: kincaid-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: KINCAID Digest, Vol 9, Issue 4 > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 01:01:12 -0700 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Missing Kincaid (elizak39@aol.com) > 2. Re: KINCAID Digest, Vol 9, Issue 3 (Richard Hulan) > 3. Re: Missing Kincaid (Sue Liedtke) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 09:10:09 -0500 (EST) > From: elizak39@aol.com > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Missing Kincaid > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8D0D9002464B593-2748-223A1@webmail-m240.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Prayers for Gary and his family. > > > elizak39@aol.com > Anne > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don W Kincaid <donwkincaid@cox.net> > To: kincaid <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sun, Jan 5, 2014 3:02 pm > Subject: [KINCAID] Missing Kincaid > > > We hate to be the bearer of bad news but the news shows that Group B dna > participant Charles Gary Kincaid is missing. His car was found a few miles from > Staunton. He was last seen at a relative?s home in Staunton on Dec. 29. We have > checked the news but find no news of Gary being found. We believe his family > would appreciate prayers for him. Those of you who have been on the Kincaid List > for a while know Gary and his brother live on land once owned by their ancestor > John Kincaid of Bath in Highland County, VA. We hope and pray that Gary will be > found safe and sound soon! > > For those who want to read the whole story go to > > Valley Authorities Searching for Missing Highland County Man > > Don > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 09:46:32 -0500 > From: Richard Hulan <rhulan@verizon.net> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] KINCAID Digest, Vol 9, Issue 3 > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <E4353628-0D86-4D6A-BBC6-245C4C9B06BF@verizon.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > On Jan 5, 2014, at 11:12 PM, kincaid-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 19:31:25 -0500 > > From: Richard Hulan <rhulan@verizon.net> > > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] KINCAID Digest, Vol 9, Issue 2 > > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <3993D91C-C010-4AC5-A995-769CDCCFA91D@verizon.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > It's not at all clear to me how one is supposed to Reply, on this list. Perhaps this will work. > > > > Don, how secret is the list of the 12 FF participants? Is it something only visible in GAP? My only obvious FF match whose FTDNA public info mentions the Kincaid surname is Carolyn Sue Kincaid Chesnut -- who was on this list briefly in 1998-99, but seems not to have remained aboard. I have no idea whether a male relative of hers has tested Y-DNA and is in the public Kincaid project. > > > > I transferred my 23andMe results to FTDNA as soon as that option was available (and while that was still $50). About two years ago. I'm FTDNA #195834, if you need that. > > > > Btw #2562 is not in group A-2c; but I concede Peter's point that someone in that group has in fact tested -- #57467. Since it was done by the targeted method, and those SNPs aren't on the 2010 version of the Haplotree still in use by the FTDNA software, the posted haplogroup is still R1b1a2 (in red). Someday, that will update; what else can one believe. I had not checked all seven group members' SNP results, and the other 6 haven't tested, but don't really need to. Z1 is rather far out on a branch of U106, and my speculation was based on this small group's having the key off-modals of the old North/South Cluster of P312 (at DYS437, 448, and GATA-H4). Given that A-2c is indeed a U106 subclade, only the DYS437=14 seems to be off-modal, within its parent group. > > > > Dick Hulan > > > > On Jan 5, 2014, at 4:11 PM, kincaid-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > >> Message: 3 > >> Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 13:39:41 -0700 > >> From: "Don W Kincaid" <donwkincaid@cox.net> > >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA origins of the Kincaids > >> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > >> Message-ID: <FA13AAE2974C42DEBD3070745888C041@DonHP> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > >> reply-type=original > >> > >> Richard Hulan, > >> > >> Thanks for your comments and rejoining the Kincaid Research List. > >> > >> We have 12 Kincaid participants who have done Family Finder dna test but do > >> not have a results chart for Family Finder participants. We have had several > >> in Group A do SNP tests including Group A 2C. For example # 2562 shows > >> "Kinkead Robert Kinkead, b.c 1730, Tyrone, Ireland R1b1a2a1a1a4 > >> R-L48 L48+, Z346+, Z7+, Z343-" . We also have several who had done the mt > >> dna tests. We also have participants who have ordered the Big Y which we > >> look forward to. > >> > >> I believe you did 23andme autosomal dna test so you should show a match with > >> one or more of the Kincaid Family Finder participants unless there has been > >> non-paternity events. You can upload your 23andme results to Family Tree DNA > >> for a fee which you might want to do since Family Tree DNA has done more > >> tests so will give you more possible matches. Do you show any autosomal > >> matches with any Kincaid participant? > >> > >> I see your cousin shows descent from David/Winifred. We have one Kinkead > >> vetted as descendant of David/Winifred, #198598. We have 2 others, 1255 and > >> 28835, who believe they also descend from David/Winifred and I personally > >> agree with them however one gen link is not documented and depends on > >> circumstantial evidence. > >> > >> Happy Hunting, > >> > >> Don Kincaid # 1427 > >> Kincaid Surname DNA admin team > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 19:33:47 -0700 > > From: "Don W Kincaid" <donwkincaid@cox.net> > > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] KINCAID Digest, Vol 9, Issue 2 > > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <ECEA64FD05B24DC5A97095F47052F960@DonHP> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > > reply-type=original > > > > To reply to any post on the Kincaid list just hit "reply". > > > > The Family Finder participants who have agreed to be public are not secret. > > I will have to check each one's page and or contact them and will post all > > that are public. It is to their advantage to be public in order for > > interested persons like you can contact them about possible relationships. > > > > If you join the Kincaid Surname DNA project we will be able to see all your > > FF dna matches and perhaps be more helpful. > > > > I showed 2562's SNP tests just to illustrate one Kincaid's SNP having > > tested. It had nothing to do with A-2c. Peter is our expert on the SNP > > testing and I will leave remarks on the results up to him. > > > > How do you report the FF and mt dna test results on the 2 project you > > administer? Where could I go to take a look? > > > > Don > > > > We don't display them anywhere, and only the admins see them all (via Group Administrator Pages>Genetic reports>FF Illumina OmniExpress results). I know of a big surname project (Carter) that includes a few "Family Finder only" members at the end of the public results display, as a separate Ungrouped category. But the visible ones are still male -- with STR marker values displayed -- it's just understood that these are irrelevant to the Carter surname. By contrast, our little surname project, which only has 14 Y-DNA members displayed (ungrouped at the moment), also has 11 Family Finder members (not all of whom are male, have our surname, or are among the displayed 14). And that has been very useful for us, in realizing something that is a stated goal (it looks like THE goal) of the Kincaid project: "The purpose of this project is to help link families where the paper trail has reached a dead end." > > Our best example is a guy whose father was adopted, so his Y-DNA test was a shot in the dark. He came up such a good match with me that we invited him to join our surname project; then he did the FF test, and had matches with five other male and female project members (counting himself, that's six out of the eleven FF testers we have). Several of these people have no matches with each other (at a level above the FF threshold for reporting it), mainly because of NPEs in their own lines -- but the adoptee links them all. We were able to tell him who his long-dead paternal grandfather must have been; and we were able for the first time to prove that -- and how -- the two project administrators are kin to each other (previously a matter of family hearsay). > > This can be much more than a one-way street, sometimes more than a two-way street. (Think of a parking lot with lanes, but no striping for the spaces. Remember what was parked near you, and enter the flea market or whatever. Come back in four hours, and find your car.) Genetic genealogy is not all about the paper trail, or the surname -- not that I have anything against those details, as such. I just am increasingly of the opinion that well done biochemistry is more reliable and predictive than most traditional paperwork. Leaving out women is not an optimal prerequisite for reaching the project's announced goal; and autosomal testing appears to be a much more productive inclusion technique than mtDNA testing. It does, however, tend to make more work for the volunteer administrators. Part of that is built in (more data = more work), but mainly it's because they get excited and want to work on it. > > Dick > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 09:22:31 -0800 > From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Missing Kincaid > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <7242FA0A50354A9FA7471C4133E7E6A4@Susan> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; > reply-type=original > > Don, if there is any follow up on this, please do let us know. It doesn't > sound good. > My thoughts are with his family. > > Sue Liedtke > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don W Kincaid" <donwkincaid@cox.net> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 1:11 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Missing Kincaid > > > >I forgot Rootsweb posts do not show clickable links so have copied one of > > the stories about Gary: > > > > Charles Gary Kincaid, 61, is a man that has been missing since December > > 29th, 2013 at about 5:30 pm at a residence of a family member in Staunton, > > Virginia. Kincaid's vehicle, a 2010 White Ford Focus, was located in > > Augusta > > County in the vicinity of mile post 8.5 on January 2nd, 2014 by members of > > the US Park Police. Kincaid was no where to be found. Kincaid is a 5' 10" > > white male, weighing in at 150 lbs. > > > > Please contact the Staunton Police Department at 540-332-3842, the Augusta > > County Sheriff's Office at 540-245-5333 or Crimestoppers at 800-322-2017. > > > > Another press article: > > > > Augusta County Sheriff's Office Press Release > > > > On 01/03/14, Augusta ECC was contacted by the U.S. Park Police of the Blue > > Ridge Parkway to assist in the search of a missing person. > > > > Charles "Gary" Kincaid (61 yoa, w/m), a resident of Highland County, was > > reported as being last seen in the City of Staunton on Sunday, December > > 29, > > 2013, by a family member. > > > > Mr. Kincaid was subsequently entered as a missing person by the Staunton > > Police Department. The vehicle Kincaid was operating, a 2010 White Ford > > Focus, was located in Augusta County in the vicinity of mile post 8.5 on > > 01/02/14 by members of the US Park Police. > > > > Members of the US Park Service, Augusta County Sheriff's Office and the > > Virginia State Police conducted ground and aerial searches of the Blue > > Ridge > > Parkway. Highland County Sheriff's Office also rendered assistance in the > > investigation. The Virginia Department of Emergency Management was > > contacted > > by the Augusta County Sheriff's Office for additional search assistance. > > > > Future search dates have not been set and are pending. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Don W Kincaid > > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 2:02 PM > > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [KINCAID] Missing Kincaid > > > > We hate to be the bearer of bad news but the news shows that Group B dna > > participant Charles Gary Kincaid is missing. His car was found a few miles > > from Staunton. He was last seen at a relative?s home in Staunton on Dec. > > 29. > > We have checked the news but find no news of Gary being found. We believe > > his family would appreciate prayers for him. Those of you who have been on > > the Kincaid List for a while know Gary and his brother live on land once > > owned by their ancestor John Kincaid of Bath in Highland County, VA. We > > hope > > and pray that Gary will be found safe and sound soon! > > > > For those who want to read the whole story go to > > > > Valley Authorities Searching for Missing Highland County Man > > > > Don > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the KINCAID list administrator, send an email to > KINCAID-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the KINCAID mailing list, send an email to KINCAID@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of KINCAID Digest, Vol 9, Issue 4 > *************************************

I assume that this was your brother Danny. Our sympathies to you and your family for your loss. It sure seems that there are a lot of people passing at a younger age. Peter -----Original Message----- From: DANNY KINCAID Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 2:26 AM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] KINCAID Digest, Vol 9, Issue 4 Obituary for Kirby Kincaid Kincaid, Kirby Lee..age 60. of Carelton Michigan died Friday December 20th 2013. He was born July 19th 1953 in Sweet Home Oregon to the late Stanley L. Kincaid and Nila Marie (Irwin) Kincaid. Kirby grew up in the Crawfordsville, Sweet Home area. He attended Crawfordsville grade school and Sweet Home High School. In September of 1970 with Mother Nila and Sister Melanie moved to Gould City, Michigan after our father died. He graduated from High School there. After High School he worked as a carpenter for a little while until he joined the Army. He was stationed in Germany most of that time until he came home after his Honorable discharge. He then went back to work as a Carpenter for many years. He also drove truck for about 10 years then went back to work as a Carpenter for many years again. He became ill this past year with cancer which be battled with everything he had. He was preceded in death by his parents and oldest brother David. He is survived by his wife Donna Kincaid of Carleton, (although Kirby had know blood children of his own he was very proud of all of his step children,grand children and well loved by them)sons, Gary Clark of Carleton and Stephen (Nichole) Welters of Munising; daughters, Rebecca (Phillip) Baranowski of Colorado Spring and Jean Ann Vorves of Carleton; 6 grandchildren and 5 great-grandchildren; brothers Danny (wife Kathy) Kincaid of Goldendale WA., Douglas (wife Debra) of Oregon. and sister Melanie Vallier and husband Joe of Mount Vernon WA. All though Kirby was taken home to the Lord early by our standards, the Lord needed another Carpenter to help build the many mansions that will be needed when he calls us home. Memorials may be made to the Cancer Society or Humane Society.