Thanks for the new information, Richard. I'm the Group C-2 member you mentioned with the two SNP's, "Scots modal" cluster (L1335+ and L1065+). I just ran a ydna search on FTDNA and came up with Joseph Paul Kincaid ( jkincaid@smbtrials.com), who does not list any direct paternal ancestry information on the web site. This looks like the same Joe P. Kincaid, but the FTDNA ID number is not given. The SNP chart you identified has a branch off of L-21 that stops using FTDNA labels after L1335 and L1065. It continues to the one end point with S696. According to the MacGregor DNA web site, the current chief of the MacGregor clan has tested for both L1335 and L1065, as well as all the way out to the current end of the tree at S696. Apparently, the L1065 marker separates out the Welsh participants into a separate group. According to their Jan news update, the MacGregors are working with the Scottish DNA testers to pursue this SNP further. Looks like FTDNA testing does not offer any further SNP tests for me to obtain. I either have to wait for that to happen or start participating in the British/Scottish lab testing. Or jus wait, period. For those interested, I have joined the L21, L1335 and now L1065 FTDNA dna projects, as well as the MacGregor project. The Kincaid dna site looks quite clear compared to the MacGregor site. Because the surname was banned twice at one point and everyone had to take new surnames, the list of surnames testing into the site is quite large. From a genealogical point of view this is interesting because many of the ancestors of those testing positive on the L1335 and L1065 markers can trace ancestors back geographically to the area around Campsie Parish north of Glasgow where the Kincaid surname originated. Lacking any genealogical information of our Group C-2 back to Scotland or Ireland, I have no choice but to pursue the SNP trail and look for SNP "relatives" who may have that kind of information. This line on the tree is being characterized as Scottish modal, but in particular as a candidate for Pict roots as well. My dna (all of C-2?) matches with some MacGregor's with a 90% probability of a common ancestor from 500 to 600 years ago. If I find anyone who has genealogical data that places anyone with Kincaid surnames in Scotland, I'll share the information as soon as I get it. This is working along the same lines that our group A Kincaid's are finding SNP connections to Sinclair's. Ironically, I recently found a dna match to a Sinclair as well, suggesting that we all really did live next to one another at some time and got a bit mixed up. Larry (Don) Kincaid, #16491 Group C-2. On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Richard Hulan <rhulan@verizon.net> wrote: > Yep, it must be a typo, there are new results for 270925 in group C-2. > And FTDNA hasn't sold 970,000 kits. > > The only seriously SNP-tested person in the group is #16491, he's in the > "Scots modal" cluster (L1335+ and L1065+) under haplogroup R1b-L21. So, > presumably, is everybody else having some form of the surname and matching > haplotypes at high resolution (say, 65/67 or so). > > It may be of some interest that there have recently been quite a few SNPs > described or detected under L1065. Almost all are S-series SNPs; tests are > available from BritainsDNA (aka Scotland's, etc.) but not from FTDNA, at > the moment. And they also aren't on the ISOGG tree, yet. This group > (Kincaid project, C-2) falls somewhere in the blue boxes on the left side > of the chart viewable at this url: > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17907527/R1b-L21_Tree_Chart.pdf > > Dick Hulan > > > On Jan 23, 2014, at 3:00 AM, kincaid-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. New results for 970925 (Sue Liedtke) > > 2. Re: New results for 970925 (Joe Kincaid) > > 3. Re: New results for 970925 (Alice Gedge) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 05:51:40 -0800 > > From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> > > Subject: [KINCAID] New results for 970925 > > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <D9F51D81B26B4B13BE205277AA6F604D@Susan> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; > > reply-type=original > > > > > > Results are starting to be returned for #970925's upgrade. He matches the > > C-2 Apparent Ancestral Values at markers 38-47. > > > > He believes descent from William of York Co. PA 1779-1843. > > > > Sue Liedtke > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 08:10:27 -0600 > > From: Joe Kincaid <Jkincaid@smbtrials.com> > > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] New results for 970925 > > To: "kincaid@rootsweb.com" <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: > > < > 9ECEBC05C3B1B649AB228EC7982B5E6E1841420C78@SMB-XDS-01.smbtrials.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Is this 270925? > > > > Joseph P. Kincaid > > SWANSON, MARTIN & BELL, LLP > > 330 N. Wabash, Suite 3300 > > Chicago, IL? 60611 > > Direct Line? 312/321-8442 > > Fax - 312/321-0990 > > > > ? > > > > Disclaimer: > > This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain > legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use > of the addressee.? If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, > distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please > notify the sender immediately by telephone or by electronic mail, and > delete this message and all copies and backups thereof.? Thank you. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: kincaid-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kincaid-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Sue Liedtke > > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 7:52 AM > > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [KINCAID] New results for 970925 > > > > > > Results are starting to be returned for #970925's upgrade. He matches the > > C-2 Apparent Ancestral Values at markers 38-47. > > > > He believes descent from William of York Co. PA 1779-1843. > > > > Sue Liedtke > > > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 07:40:50 -0700 > > From: "Alice Gedge" <adgedge@centurylink.net> > > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] New results for 970925 > > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <2768D92C3EB249C488D7379ED56FAB65@OwnerPC> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > > reply-type=original > > > > Sue, > > > > I don't see him anywhere on the chart. You say he has an upgrade. Can > you > > tell us anything about him? > > > > Thank you, > > Alice Gedge > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sue Liedtke > > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 6:51 AM > > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [KINCAID] New results for 970925 > > > > > > Results are starting to be returned for #970925's upgrade. He matches the > > C-2 Apparent Ancestral Values at markers 38-47. > > > > He believes descent from William of York Co. PA 1779-1843. > > > > Sue Liedtke > > > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > To contact the KINCAID list administrator, send an email to > > KINCAID-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > > To post a message to the KINCAID mailing list, send an email to > KINCAID@rootsweb.com. > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the > > email with no additional text. > > > > > > End of KINCAID Digest, Vol 9, Issue 13 > > ************************************** > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- dddddddd

I am buried at work, but will try to post known and verified history this weekend. BTW--- me and my two brothers are trying to swing a trip to Scotland in August to coincide with the Kincaid trip. Joseph P. Kincaid SWANSON, MARTIN & BELL, LLP 330 N. Wabash, Suite 3300 Chicago, IL  60611 Direct Line  312/321-8442 Fax - 312/321-0990   Disclaimer: This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee.  If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone or by electronic mail, and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof.  Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: kincaid-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kincaid-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Larry Kincaid Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 10:53 AM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] KINCAID Digest, Vol 9, Issue 13 Thanks for the new information, Richard. I'm the Group C-2 member you mentioned with the two SNP's, "Scots modal" cluster (L1335+ and L1065+). I just ran a ydna search on FTDNA and came up with Joseph Paul Kincaid ( jkincaid@smbtrials.com), who does not list any direct paternal ancestry information on the web site. This looks like the same Joe P. Kincaid, but the FTDNA ID number is not given. The SNP chart you identified has a branch off of L-21 that stops using FTDNA labels after L1335 and L1065. It continues to the one end point with S696. According to the MacGregor DNA web site, the current chief of the MacGregor clan has tested for both L1335 and L1065, as well as all the way out to the current end of the tree at S696. Apparently, the L1065 marker separates out the Welsh participants into a separate group. According to their Jan news update, the MacGregors are working with the Scottish DNA testers to pursue this SNP further. Looks like FTDNA testing does not offer any further SNP tests for me to obtain. I either have to wait for that to happen or start participating in the British/Scottish lab testing. Or jus wait, period. For those interested, I have joined the L21, L1335 and now L1065 FTDNA dna projects, as well as the MacGregor project. The Kincaid dna site looks quite clear compared to the MacGregor site. Because the surname was banned twice at one point and everyone had to take new surnames, the list of surnames testing into the site is quite large. From a genealogical point of view this is interesting because many of the ancestors of those testing positive on the L1335 and L1065 markers can trace ancestors back geographically to the area around Campsie Parish north of Glasgow where the Kincaid surname originated. Lacking any genealogical information of our Group C-2 back to Scotland or Ireland, I have no choice but to pursue the SNP trail and look for SNP "relatives" who may have that kind of information. This line on the tree is being characterized as Scottish modal, but in particular as a candidate for Pict roots as well. My dna (all of C-2?) matches with some MacGregor's with a 90% probability of a common ancestor from 500 to 600 years ago. If I find anyone who has genealogical data that places anyone with Kincaid surnames in Scotland, I'll share the information as soon as I get it. This is working along the same lines that our group A Kincaid's are finding SNP connections to Sinclair's. Ironically, I recently found a dna match to a Sinclair as well, suggesting that we all really did live next to one another at some time and got a bit mixed up. Larry (Don) Kincaid, #16491 Group C-2. On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Richard Hulan <rhulan@verizon.net> wrote: > Yep, it must be a typo, there are new results for 270925 in group C-2. > And FTDNA hasn't sold 970,000 kits. > > The only seriously SNP-tested person in the group is #16491, he's in > the "Scots modal" cluster (L1335+ and L1065+) under haplogroup > R1b-L21. So, presumably, is everybody else having some form of the > surname and matching haplotypes at high resolution (say, 65/67 or so). > > It may be of some interest that there have recently been quite a few > SNPs described or detected under L1065. Almost all are S-series SNPs; > tests are available from BritainsDNA (aka Scotland's, etc.) but not > from FTDNA, at the moment. And they also aren't on the ISOGG tree, > yet. This group (Kincaid project, C-2) falls somewhere in the blue > boxes on the left side of the chart viewable at this url: > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17907527/R1b-L21_Tree_Chart.pdf > > Dick Hulan > > > On Jan 23, 2014, at 3:00 AM, kincaid-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. New results for 970925 (Sue Liedtke) > > 2. Re: New results for 970925 (Joe Kincaid) > > 3. Re: New results for 970925 (Alice Gedge) > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 05:51:40 -0800 > > From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> > > Subject: [KINCAID] New results for 970925 > > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <D9F51D81B26B4B13BE205277AA6F604D@Susan> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; > > reply-type=original > > > > > > Results are starting to be returned for #970925's upgrade. He > > matches the > > C-2 Apparent Ancestral Values at markers 38-47. > > > > He believes descent from William of York Co. PA 1779-1843. > > > > Sue Liedtke > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 08:10:27 -0600 > > From: Joe Kincaid <Jkincaid@smbtrials.com> > > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] New results for 970925 > > To: "kincaid@rootsweb.com" <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: > > < > 9ECEBC05C3B1B649AB228EC7982B5E6E1841420C78@SMB-XDS-01.smbtrials.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Is this 270925? > > > > Joseph P. Kincaid > > SWANSON, MARTIN & BELL, LLP > > 330 N. Wabash, Suite 3300 > > Chicago, IL? 60611 > > Direct Line? 312/321-8442 > > Fax - 312/321-0990 > > > > ? > > > > Disclaimer: > > This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may > > contain > legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for > the use of the addressee.? If the reader of this message is not the > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, > dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or > its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > message in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone or > by electronic mail, and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof.? Thank you. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: kincaid-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:kincaid-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Sue Liedtke > > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 7:52 AM > > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [KINCAID] New results for 970925 > > > > > > Results are starting to be returned for #970925's upgrade. He > > matches the > > C-2 Apparent Ancestral Values at markers 38-47. > > > > He believes descent from William of York Co. PA 1779-1843. > > > > Sue Liedtke > > > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA > > project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 07:40:50 -0700 > > From: "Alice Gedge" <adgedge@centurylink.net> > > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] New results for 970925 > > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <2768D92C3EB249C488D7379ED56FAB65@OwnerPC> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > > reply-type=original > > > > Sue, > > > > I don't see him anywhere on the chart. You say he has an upgrade. > > Can > you > > tell us anything about him? > > > > Thank you, > > Alice Gedge > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sue Liedtke > > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 6:51 AM > > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [KINCAID] New results for 970925 > > > > > > Results are starting to be returned for #970925's upgrade. He > > matches the > > C-2 Apparent Ancestral Values at markers 38-47. > > > > He believes descent from William of York Co. PA 1779-1843. > > > > Sue Liedtke > > > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA > > project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > To contact the KINCAID list administrator, send an email to > > KINCAID-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > > To post a message to the KINCAID mailing list, send an email to > KINCAID@rootsweb.com. > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > > the > body of the > > email with no additional text. > > > > > > End of KINCAID Digest, Vol 9, Issue 13 > > ************************************** > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA > project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- dddddddd For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message