After having had some issues (for several years) with signing back on to an old RootsWeb account, I've just found that I can do so. So this is my first post here, though I've been in touch with a few of you on GenForum (~ 15 years ago), or by email in the past few days. And maybe by snail mail sometime since 1970. I picked this thread because I'm involved in haplogroup research, both as administrator of couple of FTDNA projects and as a fairly compulsive tester of my own DNA. My Kincaid ancestry descends through several females in the past six generations, so I don't anticipate being of much help in the sorting of Kincaid family groups by their shared Y-DNA lines. But in the broader sense, SNP testing by anybody is useful for anybody else -- who turns out to have the same "terminal" SNP. And that's fairly often hinted at by a recognizable pattern or "signature" of off-modal values in the STR results. Spotting these patterns is facilitated by the "colorized" results. Those only work after there's a big enough sample to sort the ones that are somewhat alike. The Kincaid project is respectably large, and this sorting into groups has long since been done. However, not too much of it, so far, is based on (or confirmed by) SNP testing. Many of the males whose haplogroup is shown (in red) as R1b1a2 may not turn out to be in the same subclade (of that enormous group) as the person immediately above or below -- especially if their STR markers are only tested to the 25 or 37 level. Those are good for confirming that one's brother or first cousin probably isn't adopted, but not very useful for haplogroup sorting and "deep ancestry" research in a broader sense. If you aren't in the same subclade, for practical purposes you aren't genealogical kin; i.e. your common ancestor is probably much older than your surname. So it is of some value to make such "anthropological" distinctions. This will be a lot more apparent when some of the new SNPs from Geno2 data (already in hand) and Chromo2 results from BritainsDNA (now trickling in) can be fleshed out with FTDNA's "Big Y" results (very soon), and with more new SNPs from comprehensive Y-chromosome sequencing (in hand, or currently in progress) at Full Genomes Corporation. These will bring the phylogenetic tree-sorting down to much more recent times, probably identifying SNPs that are for practical purposes specific to a family. Online forums on which this is being extensively discussed (such as Anthrogenica) have been calling it a "SNP tsunami." If that's what it is, 2014 will be the year we find out. Btw somebody from Group A-2c might want to test whether they are actually U106. I suspect that group is P312>DF27>Z196>Z220 (and so on). All the members have red-letter haplotypes, so far -- so I assume that A-2c is an untested, hypothetical placement (as is my prediction, here). Anyway, I'm just saying hello, here. If anybody interested in the Kincaid Y-DNA project wants to discuss SNP testing, I'm interested in following such a thread. Also if the said project has a Family Finder component (that is not apparent, in the project verbiage), I could join. I read somewhere in the signup process that new members are supposed to share their ancestral line (to Kincaid). I don't have a website, but my 2nd cousin does, so I'll just share his... his paternal grandmother (Jessie K. Harper) and mine (Bessie Marie Harper) were sisters. http://lawrencefamhis.com/kincaid-o/ui05.htm Richard H. Hulan ("razyn" on various forums)

Welcome back to the list. It is always nice to have people with a keen dna interest active here. Your wrong about Group A-2c. This group has been snp tested and lines up with the other group A Kincaids. I believe so far it is z1 confirmed. I don't see any need for many others in Group A to be tested. We have a number tested already and some are doing the Big Y test. The Group A Kincaids are quite unique in that they are at the far end of the U106 branch. All Kincaids in Group A have their closest matches as Kincaids so there is no indication of mutation drift affecting our project. Other surnames are reasonably far off. I have no doubt that all Group A Kincaids are Z346*. Perhaps we will find another snp lower, but further testing those above is a waste of money. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Richard Hulan Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 2:22 PM To: KINCAID@rootsweb.com Subject: [KINCAID] DNA origins of the Kincaids After having had some issues (for several years) with signing back on to an old RootsWeb account, I've just found that I can do so. So this is my first post here, though I've been in touch with a few of you on GenForum (~ 15 years ago), or by email in the past few days. And maybe by snail mail sometime since 1970. I picked this thread because I'm involved in haplogroup research, both as administrator of couple of FTDNA projects and as a fairly compulsive tester of my own DNA. My Kincaid ancestry descends through several females in the past six generations, so I don't anticipate being of much help in the sorting of Kincaid family groups by their shared Y-DNA lines. But in the broader sense, SNP testing by anybody is useful for anybody else -- who turns out to have the same "terminal" SNP. And that's fairly often hinted at by a recognizable pattern or "signature" of off-modal values in the STR results. Spotting these patterns is facilitated by the "colorized" results. Those only work after there's a big enough sample to sort the ones that are somewhat alike. The Kincaid project is respectably large, and this sorting into groups has long since been done. However, not too much of it, so far, is based on (or confirmed by) SNP testing. Many of the males whose haplogroup is shown (in red) as R1b1a2 may not turn out to be in the same subclade (of that enormous group) as the person immediately above or below -- especially if their STR markers are only tested to the 25 or 37 level. Those are good for confirming that one's brother or first cousin probably isn't adopted, but not very useful for haplogroup sorting and "deep ancestry" research in a broader sense. If you aren't in the same subclade, for practical purposes you aren't genealogical kin; i.e. your common ancestor is probably much older than your surname. So it is of some value to make such "anthropological" distinctions. This will be a lot more apparent when some of the new SNPs from Geno2 data (already in hand) and Chromo2 results from BritainsDNA (now trickling in) can be fleshed out with FTDNA's "Big Y" results (very soon), and with more new SNPs from comprehensive Y-chromosome sequencing (in hand, or currently in progress) at Full Genomes Corporation. These will bring the phylogenetic tree-sorting down to much more recent times, probably identifying SNPs that are for practical purposes specific to a family. Online forums on which this is being extensively discussed (such as Anthrogenica) have been calling it a "SNP tsunami." If that's what it is, 2014 will be the year we find out. Btw somebody from Group A-2c might want to test whether they are actually U106. I suspect that group is P312>DF27>Z196>Z220 (and so on). All the members have red-letter haplotypes, so far -- so I assume that A-2c is an untested, hypothetical placement (as is my prediction, here). Anyway, I'm just saying hello, here. If anybody interested in the Kincaid Y-DNA project wants to discuss SNP testing, I'm interested in following such a thread. Also if the said project has a Family Finder component (that is not apparent, in the project verbiage), I could join. I read somewhere in the signup process that new members are supposed to share their ancestral line (to Kincaid). I don't have a website, but my 2nd cousin does, so I'll just share his... his paternal grandmother (Jessie K. Harper) and mine (Bessie Marie Harper) were sisters. http://lawrencefamhis.com/kincaid-o/ui05.htm Richard H. Hulan ("razyn" on various forums) For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message