We earlier posted information about our Group B participants having lots of Sutherland dna close matches and in fact more Sutherland matches than Kincaid matches. The administrator of the Sutherland Surname DNA Project has said it would be great for Group B participants to join the Sutherland dna project. It costs nothing and may help you to find your true roots. There are several groups in the Sutherland project and the administrator will place you in the group you match. I recommend you join. Peter A Kincaid sent some information on the Kincaid Sutherland connection you will find interesting: There is a connection to the Sutherlands – at least the Earls of Sutherland. Elizabeth, Countess of Sutherland married Adam Gordon, younger son of George Gordon, 2nd Earl of Huntly. The 2nd Earl of Huntly’s older brother Sir Alexander Seton, was the patriarch of the Setons of Touch and Tullibody. His grand daughter, Margaret Seton, married Thomas Kincaid of that Ilk, who had previously married Elizabeth Kincaid of that Ilk. As Elizabeth, Countess of Sutherland, went by Sutherland, it is conceivable that there was a Kincaid - Sutherland liaison somewhere in her line around this time. Today we received an email from the R1b-CTS4466 Plus Project which is known as the Irish Type 2 haplotype project. After receiving the email we have been in contact with Lance Brown, one of the administrators and found that they had already discovered the connection between our Group B and one group of the Sutherlands. Lance is contacting the Sutherlands who match Group B and inviting them to join the Irish Type 2 project. This Irish project could be beneficial to Group B participants especially in the more distant connections and geographical areas. Lance has emailed each Kincaid Group B participant that he could find an address for and we have forwarded his email to the 2 he did not have. Since the Irish project could be of interest to other Kincaid’s we have copied Lance’s email below. My name is Launcelot Brown (Lance). My FTDNA kit number is 290447. I am writing to you on behalf of the new R1b-CTS4466 Plus haplogroup project - http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-CTS4466Plus because the genetic signature of your Y-DNA matches that of the Irish Type II haplotype. You can join the project by clicking "Join Request" at the top of the project page at the web address above. The CTS4466 or Irish Type II haplotype was identified by the respected scientist Dr Ken Nordvedt in 2006, distinguishing it by its distinctive haplotype, prior to the discovery of any SNPs associated with it. In 2011, multiple attempts to find a defining SNP through the Walk Through The Y test offered by Family Tree failed, but at the end of 2012, the more comprehensive Geno 2.0 test through National Geographic finally gave us success with two SNPs – CTS4466 and CTS5714. Then the 1000 Genome project added two more – CTS3974 and CTS8358. Since then, seven more have surfaced. The project was begun to discover the parameters of this major subclade which features strongly in the south of Ireland but is found as well in other areas of the Isles, including some in the west of Ireland, Wales, western England, an apparent branch in Northern Ireland and Scotland and a few continentals. We hope through our investigations to establish the hierarchy of the various SNPs currently known to be associated with the Irish Type II haplotype and discover the branches that surely are there amidst the significant number of men carrying this genetic signature. Once these branches have been identified, we will be better able to determine the possible origins of this prominent subclade centered in the south of Ireland. I can provide more information about the project and the science behind it, if you like. Please feel free to message me at any time. There is no fee required to join our project. All the administrators are volunteers. We do not require testing for most members to join, although eventual SNP testing is anticipated for all members as we learn more and can make better predictions about which SNPs members are likely positive for. No one should ever feel pressured to spend money on testing that they either can't afford, or simply do not see as beneficial to their own goals. If you would like guidance on what (if any) testing might make sense for you at this time, feel free to ask. As each kit is added to the project we undertake a closer review of the data. If there is something unusual about your results, we may ask you to do some SNP testing (usually a test just for the CTS4466 mutation) in order to determine with confidence whether your Y-DNA is a match for our haplogroup. It is also possible that a closer review of your data might reveal that you are not a match for R1b-CTS4466. In those cases, we try to suggest the correct haplogroup and provide some guidance before removing such a kit from the project. I would encourage you to review the various pages of the project at your convenience. We have a regularly updated chart that shows the current state of testing in our haplogroup: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-CTS4466Plus/default.aspx?section=results And you can see that we are currently approaching 400 members: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-CTS4466Plus/default.aspx?section=yresults You can see from the General Fund information on the Background page that we have raised and spent a fair amount of funds for the purpose of supporting testing among members unable to do so themselves: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-CTS4466Plus We are anxious to have you join our project and assist us in our research. Again, you can do so by clicking on "Join Request" on the banner at the top of the page. If you are not already logged in to your kit you will be prompted to do so. This will add you to the project. If you manage more than one kit, make sure you are logged in to the correct one before clicking "Join Request". The key to improving our understanding of the CTS4466 subclade is more data. We would welcome your participation and hope you will join us in our discoveries. If you have any comments or suggestions on how to improve the website or avenues of investigation, please share your thoughts. We look forward to hearing from you. Best Wishes, Elizabeth O'Donoghue Administrator Launcelot Brown Co-administrator Joseph Carroll Co-administrator Nigel McCarthy Co-administrator Dr Finbar O’Mahony Co-administrator R1b-CTS4466 Plus Project

dear don, are you in group b? cheers, edkiii On Monday, January 27, 2014 8:52 PM, Don W Kincaid <donwkincaid@cox.net> wrote: We earlier posted information about our Group B participants having lots of Sutherland dna close matches and in fact more Sutherland matches than Kincaid matches. The administrator of the Sutherland Surname DNA Project has said it would be great for Group B participants to join the Sutherland dna project. It costs nothing and may help you to find your true roots. There are several groups in the Sutherland project and the administrator will place you in the group you match. I recommend you join. Peter A Kincaid sent some information on the Kincaid Sutherland connection you will find interesting: There is a connection to the Sutherlands – at least the Earls of Sutherland.  Elizabeth, Countess of Sutherland married Adam Gordon, younger son of George Gordon, 2nd Earl of Huntly.  The 2nd Earl of Huntly’s older brother Sir Alexander Seton, was the patriarch of the Setons of Touch and Tullibody.  His grand daughter, Margaret Seton, married Thomas Kincaid of that Ilk, who had previously married Elizabeth Kincaid of that Ilk.  As Elizabeth, Countess of Sutherland, went by Sutherland, it is conceivable that there was a Kincaid - Sutherland liaison somewhere in her line around this time. Today we received an email from the R1b-CTS4466 Plus Project which is known as the Irish Type 2 haplotype project. After receiving the email we have been in contact with Lance Brown, one of the administrators and found that they had already discovered the connection between our Group B and one group of  the Sutherlands. Lance is contacting the Sutherlands who match Group B and inviting them to join the Irish Type 2 project. This Irish project could be beneficial to Group B participants especially in the more distant connections and geographical areas. Lance has emailed each Kincaid Group B participant that he could find an address for and we have forwarded his email to the 2 he did not have. Since the Irish project could be of interest to other Kincaid’s we have copied  Lance’s email below. My name is Launcelot Brown (Lance). My FTDNA kit number is 290447. I am writing to you on behalf of the new R1b-CTS4466 Plus haplogroup project - http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-CTS4466Plusbecause the genetic signature of your Y-DNA matches that of the Irish Type II haplotype. You can join the project by clicking "Join Request" at the top of the project page at the web address above. The CTS4466 or Irish Type II haplotype was identified by the respected scientist Dr Ken Nordvedt in 2006, distinguishing it by its distinctive haplotype, prior to the discovery of any SNPs associated with it. In 2011, multiple attempts to find a defining SNP through the Walk Through The Y test offered by Family Tree failed, but at the end of 2012, the more comprehensive Geno 2.0 test through National Geographic finally gave us success with two SNPs – CTS4466 and CTS5714. Then the 1000 Genome project added two more – CTS3974 and CTS8358. Since then, seven more have surfaced. The project was begun to discover the parameters of this major subclade which features strongly in the south of Ireland but is found as well in other areas of the Isles, including some in the west of Ireland, Wales, western England, an apparent branch in Northern Ireland and Scotland and a few continentals. We hope through our investigations to establish the hierarchy of the various SNPs currently known to be associated with the Irish Type II haplotype and discover the branches that surely are there amidst the significant number of men carrying this genetic signature. Once these branches have been identified, we will be better able to determine the possible origins of this prominent subclade centered in the south of Ireland. I can provide more information about the project and the science behind it, if you like. Please feel free to message me at any time. There is no fee required to join our project. All the administrators are volunteers. We do not require testing for most members to join, although eventual SNP testing is anticipated for all members as we learn more and can make better predictions about which SNPs members are likely positive for. No one should ever feel pressured to spend money on testing that they either can't afford, or simply do not see as beneficial to their own goals. If you would like guidance on what (if any) testing might make sense for you at this time, feel free to ask. As each kit is added to the project we undertake a closer review of the data. If there is something unusual about your results, we may ask you to do some SNP testing (usually a test just for the CTS4466 mutation) in order to determine with confidence whether your Y-DNA is a match for our haplogroup. It is also possible that a closer review of your data might reveal that you are not a match for R1b-CTS4466. In those cases, we try to suggest the correct haplogroup and provide some guidance before removing such a kit from the project. I would encourage you to review the various pages of the project at your convenience. We have a regularly updated chart that shows the current state of testing in our haplogroup: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-CTS4466Plus/default.aspx?section=resultsAnd you can see that we are currently approaching 400 members: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-CTS4466Plus/default.aspx?section=yresultsYou can see from the General Fund information on the Background page that we have raised and spent a fair amount of funds for the purpose of supporting testing among members unable to do so themselves: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-CTS4466Plus We are anxious to have you join our project and assist us in our research. Again, you can do so by clicking on "Join Request" on the banner at the top of the page. If you are not already logged in to your kit you will be prompted to do so. This will add you to the project. If you manage more than one kit, make sure you are logged in to the correct one before clicking "Join Request". The key to improving our understanding of the CTS4466 subclade is more data. We would welcome your participation and hope you will join us in our discoveries. If you have any comments or suggestions on how to improve the website or avenues of investigation, please share your thoughts. We look forward to hearing from you. Best Wishes, Elizabeth O'Donoghue Administrator Launcelot Brown Co-administrator Joseph Carroll Co-administrator Nigel McCarthy Co-administrator Dr Finbar O’Mahony Co-administrator R1b-CTS4466 Plus Project For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message