I had a little time so contacted Debra and below are her responses. From: Robert or Debra Miller Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:37 PM To: Don W Kincaid Subject: Re: James Kincaid of Boston I just tried to access the letters - and the links have been broken - I'll look around and see if I still have them - maybe not until next week though. Deb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Don W Kincaid" <donwkincaid@cox.net> To: fortlong@embarqmail.com Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 4:21:53 PM Subject: James Kincaid of Boston Debra, In 2,000 you posted on Gen Forum that you had 3 letters from James Kincaid of Boston to James Patton of Alexandria. We have seen what one letter said but not the other 2. If possible please send copies of the other 2 letters. Thanks, Don W Kincaid Kincaid Surname DNA Project Administrator donwkincaid@cox. net Gilbert, AZ Cell 254 631-5684 PS: If you are interested in Kincaid lineages you might go to our website at www.kincaiddna.org and view the lineages of our dna participants. -----Original Message----- From: Don W Kincaid Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:13 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Overlooked James Kincaid - James Patton letter I see that a Debra has 3 letters from James Kincaid of Boston to James Patton. She posted on genforum February 16, 2000 seeking info on James Kincaid but no replies to her post yet. http://genforum.genealogy.com/kincaid/messages/752.html "Interested in any information on James Kincaid. I believe his sister married James Patton, Esq. a merchant in Alexandria, Va. I have three letters written by James Kincaid in the early 1800s to James Patton which mention James Patton's mother, sisters and brother. Also a woman named Martha who may be Kincaids sister who married James as "Mollie" Kincaid. Thanks. Debra" The other 2 letters might have some additional info. Don -----Original Message----- From: Kincaid Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 1:28 PM To: KINCAID@rootsweb.com Subject: [KINCAID] Overlooked James Kincaid - James Patton letter There was a letter from James Kincaid of Boston to James Patton of Alexandria, Virginia dated 5 May 1803. It is at: http://files.usgwarchives.net/va/cityofalexandria/history/letters/kincaid8.txt This was noted years ago by Barb Van Hout, but I did not pick up on it much. What is interesting is that James Patton was married to a Mollie Kincaid. James Kincaid of Boston must have been a relative of his wife. Now James Patton is said to have been born in Newtown-Limavady (now called just Limavady), County Londonderry, Ireland. I wonder if Mollie and James were from there as well. From the letter I get the impression that James's wife was Martha. Did anyone follow-up on this James Kincaid of Boston? Peter For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Don, you are quite the sleuth. I tried to get her with the original address, but it bounced. Tried another I found and got no reply. Great that you came up with a working one. Hopefully, she can find the letters. I would love a scan of them. Does James appear in the early census records? I have no sign of him in the 1850 one. A good clue is that he had a daughter in 1803. I wonder if he went back to Ireland and is the James Kincaid of Ballykelly (which is just west of Limavady). Peter -----Original Message----- From: Don W Kincaid Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 5:49 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Overlooked James Kincaid - James Patton letter I had a little time so contacted Debra and below are her responses. From: Robert or Debra Miller Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:37 PM To: Don W Kincaid Subject: Re: James Kincaid of Boston I just tried to access the letters - and the links have been broken - I'll look around and see if I still have them - maybe not until next week though. Deb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Don W Kincaid" <donwkincaid@cox.net> To: fortlong@embarqmail.com Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 4:21:53 PM Subject: James Kincaid of Boston Debra, In 2,000 you posted on Gen Forum that you had 3 letters from James Kincaid of Boston to James Patton of Alexandria. We have seen what one letter said but not the other 2. If possible please send copies of the other 2 letters. Thanks, Don W Kincaid Kincaid Surname DNA Project Administrator donwkincaid@cox. net Gilbert, AZ Cell 254 631-5684 PS: If you are interested in Kincaid lineages you might go to our website at www.kincaiddna.org and view the lineages of our dna participants.

This is a long page of records for the various Patton families in Virginia. Notice that there was a John Kincaid who was a witness with James Kincaid. Possibly brothers? James Kincaid is believed to have been the father of Mary Ann, or Mollie, the wife of James Patton. James Patton Indenture dated 11/9/1809 between James Patton and wife Mary (1st part) AND Robert J Taylor (2nd part). Patton transfers stock shares, house, lot, and boat to Taylor to protect note endorsers Ferdinand Marsteller and John Young, merchants. Wit- James Kincaid, John Kincaid, Jacob Hoffman, Cuthbert Powell. Rec. 7/18/1810. T: 10. Ind. 11/9/1809 betw Ferdinand Marsteller and wf Margaret, John Young and Mary, AND Robert J Taylor. James Patton endorsed note of firm of Marsteller and Young to Bank of Potomac. Firm conveyed land, house, & shares in Washington Bridge Co, Alexandria Theatre, Little River Turnpike Co., & land purch. from Jas Card, and slaves (14, plus children), and houses, to Taylor, to protect endorser. Wit Geo Coleman, Wm H Parry, John Kincaid. T:238. 2407 1810. Jas P endorsed note. 2460 1811. Deed- land now occup by Jas Patton transferred. 2498 1810. Jas P named as one of many debtors to some person. 2746 11/14.1811. Saml Murray (Betsey) to Robt J Taylor and Jas Patton, .. release of dower. ___ p 317. 2747 2/24/1812. Alexander S Hooe and wf Eliz. of King Geo Co Va to R J Taylor, land origin leased to James P in 1797..... 2752 2/21/1812. Similar to 2727. 2856 Ind. dated 10/9/1811 bet James Patton and wf Mary Ann, AND Robert J Taylor AND Ferdinand Marsteller and John Young, merchant partners, AND William Fowle. Patton by ind. 11/9/1810 trs land to Taylor to protect note endorsers.... Wit- W Hewitt, John Kincaid, Lawrence Berry, Wm Newton et al. http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?Kincaid::patton::4593.html -----Original Message----- From: Kincaid Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 5:47 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Overlooked James Kincaid - James Patton letter Don, you are quite the sleuth. I tried to get her with the original address, but it bounced. Tried another I found and got no reply. Great that you came up with a working one. Hopefully, she can find the letters. I would love a scan of them. Does James appear in the early census records? I have no sign of him in the 1850 one. A good clue is that he had a daughter in 1803. I wonder if he went back to Ireland and is the James Kincaid of Ballykelly (which is just west of Limavady). Peter -----Original Message----- From: Don W Kincaid Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 5:49 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Overlooked James Kincaid - James Patton letter I had a little time so contacted Debra and below are her responses. From: Robert or Debra Miller Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:37 PM To: Don W Kincaid Subject: Re: James Kincaid of Boston I just tried to access the letters - and the links have been broken - I'll look around and see if I still have them - maybe not until next week though. Deb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Don W Kincaid" <donwkincaid@cox.net> To: fortlong@embarqmail.com Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 4:21:53 PM Subject: James Kincaid of Boston Debra, In 2,000 you posted on Gen Forum that you had 3 letters from James Kincaid of Boston to James Patton of Alexandria. We have seen what one letter said but not the other 2. If possible please send copies of the other 2 letters. Thanks, Don W Kincaid Kincaid Surname DNA Project Administrator donwkincaid@cox. net Gilbert, AZ Cell 254 631-5684 PS: If you are interested in Kincaid lineages you might go to our website at www.kincaiddna.org and view the lineages of our dna participants. For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Barb. What makes you believe that Mollie was a daughter of James Kincaid of Boston? What links the James and John witnesses to James Kincaid of Boston? Best wishes! Peter -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Van Hout Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 3:06 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Overlooked James Kincaid - James Patton letter This is a long page of records for the various Patton families in Virginia. Notice that there was a John Kincaid who was a witness with James Kincaid. Possibly brothers? James Kincaid is believed to have been the father of Mary Ann, or Mollie, the wife of James Patton.

Here is a record for James Kincaid and James Patton in 1814, in Fairfax County, Virginia. Deed of Trust James Patton Jr. to James Kincaid - Fairfax Co. - 1814 Defendants George Mason; Mary Mason; FNU Jenifer; Helen Jenifer; Eleanor Patton; James Patton; Martha Patton; Catharine Patton; FNU Baker; Robert Patton Jr.; John M. Patton; Jacob Morgan; Campbell & Ritchie; John Murphy; FNU McGuire (exor.); FNU Nicholson (decd.); FNU Beckham Marriage: FNU Jenifer -mr- Helen Patton George Mason -mr- Mary Patton (My note: I found another message that says George Mason married Eleanor Patton). Family Helen Patton, Mary Patton, Eleanor Patton, James Patton, Martha Patton & Catharine Patton, children of Robert Patton Plaintiff James Ross (surviving partner of Colin & James Ross) http://www.historiccourtrecords.org/courtrecord.asp?ID=55270&myName=Kincaid, James+&mycontext=Deed of Trust Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Kincaid Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 5:47 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Overlooked James Kincaid - James Patton letter Don, you are quite the sleuth. I tried to get her with the original address, but it bounced. Tried another I found and got no reply. Great that you came up with a working one. Hopefully, she can find the letters. I would love a scan of them. Does James appear in the early census records? I have no sign of him in the 1850 one. A good clue is that he had a daughter in 1803. I wonder if he went back to Ireland and is the James Kincaid of Ballykelly (which is just west of Limavady). Peter -----Original Message----- From: Don W Kincaid Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 5:49 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Overlooked James Kincaid - James Patton letter I had a little time so contacted Debra and below are her responses. From: Robert or Debra Miller Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:37 PM To: Don W Kincaid Subject: Re: James Kincaid of Boston I just tried to access the letters - and the links have been broken - I'll look around and see if I still have them - maybe not until next week though. Deb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Don W Kincaid" <donwkincaid@cox.net> To: fortlong@embarqmail.com Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 4:21:53 PM Subject: James Kincaid of Boston Debra, In 2,000 you posted on Gen Forum that you had 3 letters from James Kincaid of Boston to James Patton of Alexandria. We have seen what one letter said but not the other 2. If possible please send copies of the other 2 letters. Thanks, Don W Kincaid Kincaid Surname DNA Project Administrator donwkincaid@cox. net Gilbert, AZ Cell 254 631-5684 PS: If you are interested in Kincaid lineages you might go to our website at www.kincaiddna.org and view the lineages of our dna participants. For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here is more information about the Robert and James Patton family of Alexandria, Virginia, who have a relationship with James Kincaid in 1814. James Patton's wife was Mary Seymour Slaughter, which matches this record: "Indenture dated 11/9/1809 between James Patton and wife Mary (1st part) AND Robert J Taylor (2nd part). Patton transfers stock shares, house, lot, and boat to Taylor to protect note endorsers Ferdinand Marsteller and John Young, merchants. Wit- James Kincaid, John Kincaid, Jacob Hoffman, Cuthbert Powell. Rec. 7/18/1810. T: 10." Generation No. 1 1. Robert1 Patton, Sr. He married Helen Douglas, daughter of George Douglas. She was born in Scotland. Notes for Helen Douglas: Helen Douglas Patton, wife of Robert Patton, Sr.., is mentioned in the will of her son, Robert Patton, Jr., dated 1813, Fairfax Co., VA, as "now or lately of the George Douglas family of Roaring Head near Kilmarnock, Scotland." Children of Robert Patton and Helen Douglas are: 2 i. James2 Patton, born Abt. 1775. He married Mary Seymour Slaughter in Fairfax Co., VA. Notes for James Patton: In the 1820 Fairfax, VA census, James Patton is shown in the 45 and over age bracket. 3 ii. Robert Patton, Jr., born Abt. 1775 in Alexandria, VA. He married Ann Clifton "Nancy" Reeder September 02, 1805 in Alexandria, VA; born Abt. 1785 in Alexandria, VA. Notes for Robert Patton, Jr.: Robert Patton, Jr. was a member of the Alexandria-Washington Masonic Lodge #22, Alexandria, Fairfax Co., VA, from 1799-1819 when he was suspended for non-payment of dues. The lodge returns show this information. There are no surviving returns from this Lodge before 1799. Robert attended George Washington's funeral in 1799 - while at the funeral, he wore a watch fob that had been passed down and continues to be passed down in the Patton family since 50 years before the Revolutionary War. http://genforum.genealogy.com/slaughter/messages/865.html -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Van Hout Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 8:04 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Overlooked James Kincaid - James Patton letter Here is a record for James Kincaid and James Patton in 1814, in Fairfax County, Virginia. Deed of Trust James Patton Jr. to James Kincaid - Fairfax Co. - 1814 Defendants George Mason; Mary Mason; FNU Jenifer; Helen Jenifer; Eleanor Patton; James Patton; Martha Patton; Catharine Patton; FNU Baker; Robert Patton Jr.; John M. Patton; Jacob Morgan; Campbell & Ritchie; John Murphy; FNU McGuire (exor.); FNU Nicholson (decd.); FNU Beckham Marriage: FNU Jenifer -mr- Helen Patton George Mason -mr- Mary Patton (My note: I found another message that says George Mason married Eleanor Patton). Family Helen Patton, Mary Patton, Eleanor Patton, James Patton, Martha Patton & Catharine Patton, children of Robert Patton Plaintiff James Ross (surviving partner of Colin & James Ross) http://www.historiccourtrecords.org/courtrecord.asp?ID=55270&myName=Kincaid, James+&mycontext=Deed of Trust Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Kincaid Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 5:47 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Overlooked James Kincaid - James Patton letter Don, you are quite the sleuth. I tried to get her with the original address, but it bounced. Tried another I found and got no reply. Great that you came up with a working one. Hopefully, she can find the letters. I would love a scan of them. Does James appear in the early census records? I have no sign of him in the 1850 one. A good clue is that he had a daughter in 1803. I wonder if he went back to Ireland and is the James Kincaid of Ballykelly (which is just west of Limavady). Peter -----Original Message----- From: Don W Kincaid Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 5:49 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Overlooked James Kincaid - James Patton letter I had a little time so contacted Debra and below are her responses. From: Robert or Debra Miller Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:37 PM To: Don W Kincaid Subject: Re: James Kincaid of Boston I just tried to access the letters - and the links have been broken - I'll look around and see if I still have them - maybe not until next week though. Deb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Don W Kincaid" <donwkincaid@cox.net> To: fortlong@embarqmail.com Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 4:21:53 PM Subject: James Kincaid of Boston Debra, In 2,000 you posted on Gen Forum that you had 3 letters from James Kincaid of Boston to James Patton of Alexandria. We have seen what one letter said but not the other 2. If possible please send copies of the other 2 letters. Thanks, Don W Kincaid Kincaid Surname DNA Project Administrator donwkincaid@cox. net Gilbert, AZ Cell 254 631-5684 PS: If you are interested in Kincaid lineages you might go to our website at www.kincaiddna.org and view the lineages of our dna participants. For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The James Patton of Alexandria that I am interested in was stated as being married to Mollie Kinkead. Mollie is a pet form of Mary so the 1809 indenture could relate to to her. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Van Hout Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 1:48 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Overlooked James Kincaid - James Patton letter Here is more information about the Robert and James Patton family of Alexandria, Virginia, who have a relationship with James Kincaid in 1814. James Patton's wife was Mary Seymour Slaughter, which matches this record: "Indenture dated 11/9/1809 between James Patton and wife Mary (1st part) AND Robert J Taylor (2nd part). Patton transfers stock shares, house, lot, and boat to Taylor to protect note endorsers Ferdinand Marsteller and John Young, merchants. Wit- James Kincaid, John Kincaid, Jacob Hoffman, Cuthbert Powell. Rec. 7/18/1810. T: 10." Generation No. 1 1. Robert1 Patton, Sr. He married Helen Douglas, daughter of George Douglas. She was born in Scotland. Notes for Helen Douglas: Helen Douglas Patton, wife of Robert Patton, Sr.., is mentioned in the will of her son, Robert Patton, Jr., dated 1813, Fairfax Co., VA, as "now or lately of the George Douglas family of Roaring Head near Kilmarnock, Scotland." Children of Robert Patton and Helen Douglas are: 2 i. James2 Patton, born Abt. 1775. He married Mary Seymour Slaughter in Fairfax Co., VA. Notes for James Patton: In the 1820 Fairfax, VA census, James Patton is shown in the 45 and over age bracket. 3 ii. Robert Patton, Jr., born Abt. 1775 in Alexandria, VA. He married Ann Clifton "Nancy" Reeder September 02, 1805 in Alexandria, VA; born Abt. 1785 in Alexandria, VA. Notes for Robert Patton, Jr.: Robert Patton, Jr. was a member of the Alexandria-Washington Masonic Lodge #22, Alexandria, Fairfax Co., VA, from 1799-1819 when he was suspended for non-payment of dues. The lodge returns show this information. There are no surviving returns from this Lodge before 1799. Robert attended George Washington's funeral in 1799 - while at the funeral, he wore a watch fob that had been passed down and continues to be passed down in the Patton family since 50 years before the Revolutionary War. http://genforum.genealogy.com/slaughter/messages/865.html