I should add that Group A participants with kit nos. 213942 and 2564 would be the most helpful to test as they are highest up the tree in terms of branching at 67 markers. Thus, if they have all of the below 6 snps then chances are everyone else in Group A will also. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Peter Kincaid Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:23 PM To: KINCAID@rootsweb.com Subject: [KINCAID] SNP testing update Hello everyone, Don Kincaid has really done a top notch job in pushing forward the new aspect of dna testing for genealogical purposes. Thanks to him, and to John Kincaid, for participating in the Big Y project at FTDNA we now have six named Kincaid snps common to both of them. They are: R-FGC1389 R-A321 R-A323 R-Z1370.2 R-A322 and R-A326 The first four are available now for testing at YSEQ at: http://shop.yseq.net/index.php?manufacturers_id=34&sort=2a&filter_id=1 YSEQ is a recent startup company by Thomas Krahn, who was formerly the main geneticist with Family Tree DNA. For those interested in this testing, there is currently a sale on with YSEQ. Until Fathers Day, one can order snps for $25 US each. This price highlights the objective for going down this route. At some point, future Kincaids will be able find out if they belong to Group A Kincaids for as little as $25US. We are not there yet as we are not certain if the above six snps are common to all Group A Kincaids. Only some should be. It is only after more Group A Kincaids test that we will be able to say which applies to which cluster of Kincaids. The reality is that any present Group A Kincaids testing will not learn anything new about themselves. They will simply be a pioneer with this and help future Kincaid testers. If any Group A participants are curious enough to participate, then my suggestion for order is Z1370.2, FGC1389, A321, A323. If you participate then please let me or Don know. Best wishes! Peter Kincaid For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Peter, When I couldn't find kit #213942 on the chart I checked the FTDNA list of project members and could not find it there either. Am I missing something or is there a typo? The choice of #2564 reflects your evaluation that the 11 at marker 4 (DYS391) is the AAV for Group A. Since I believe the 11 is the result of multiple mutations from the AAV of 12, it is my view that #4073 and #2562 are the best representatives for set 1a. I don't want to get into a discussion on our differences but do have a question.Would a single mutation over 67 markers make any difference in the SNP result implications? We have 5 other A-1a participants who have only 1 mutation over 67 markers: #33919, #102911, #96496, #155437, and #190139. Would it be of like value if one of them chose to be tested? Am I understanding this correctly? Isn't what is needed is confirmation of Don's (A1b) results from A-1a or A-1c and confirmation of John's (A-3) results by testing a representative from A-2 as both A-3 and A-2 have the 9 at marker 15 (DYS 459b)? I agree no mutations from the AAV is preferable, however, since both Don and John have quite a few differences and match on these SNPs it seems to me that participants with 1 or 2 mutations over 67 markers who match either Don or John at marker 15 and do not match either at any other mutation would work to confirm that those SNPs are common to all Group A Kincaids. Drawing from a larger pool may produce more participation then limiting test value to just a couple of people, who may or may not be able and willing to test. Since YSEQ is a new program, I am wondering if current participation is large enough for these SNPs can to be viewed as statistically significant in determining that those who have them are closely related. i.e. What are the chances that an unrelated Y family may show up at some time with the same results? I can see where this advancement would be of high value and quite exciting in discovering early connections if it can be confirmed that 1) all Group A Kincaids share these SNP values and 2) any other Y-family sharing these values is related. As the program gets larger, this has the potential of being an immense benefit in determinig origins for all of our Kincaid groups. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Kincaid" <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] SNP testing update >I should add that Group A participants with kit nos. > 213942 and 2564 would be the most helpful to > test as they are highest up the tree in terms of > branching at 67 markers. Thus, if they have all of > the below 6 snps then chances are everyone else in > Group A will also. > > Peter > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Kincaid > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:23 PM > To: KINCAID@rootsweb.com > Subject: [KINCAID] SNP testing update > > Hello everyone, > > Don Kincaid has really done a top notch job in pushing forward > the new aspect of dna testing for genealogical purposes. Thanks > to him, and to John Kincaid, for participating in the Big Y project > at FTDNA we now have six named Kincaid snps common to both of them. > They are: > > R-FGC1389 > R-A321 > R-A323 > R-Z1370.2 > R-A322 and > R-A326 > > The first four are available now for testing at YSEQ at: > > http://shop.yseq.net/index.php?manufacturers_id=34&sort=2a&filter_id=1 > > YSEQ is a recent startup company by Thomas Krahn, who was formerly > the main geneticist with Family Tree DNA. > > For those interested in this testing, there is currently a sale on with > YSEQ. Until Fathers Day, one can order snps for $25 US each. > > This price highlights the objective for going down this route. At some > point, future Kincaids will be able find out if they belong to Group A > Kincaids for as little as $25US. We are not there yet as we are not > certain if the above six snps are common to all Group A Kincaids. Only > some should be. It is only after more Group A Kincaids test that we will > be able to say which applies to which cluster of Kincaids. The reality > is that any present Group A Kincaids testing will not learn anything new > about themselves. They will simply be a pioneer with this and help future > Kincaid testers. > > If any Group A participants are curious enough to participate, then my > suggestion for order is Z1370.2, FGC1389, A321, A323. If you participate > then please let me or Don know. > > Best wishes! > > Peter Kincaid > > > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message