Check out the book "White Cargo" by Don Jordan and Michael Walsh On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Kincaid <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> wrote: > I'm sorry but I have to say that this is more propaganda value than > anything. As if the Irish Catholics were any more slighted or > better than others. The Irish were pretty good slave traders post > Roman era. They loved to raid our Strathclyde British ancestors > of their loved ones and enslave them on their lands or sell them to > the highest bidders overseas. The Irish Catholics Lords were just as quick > to sell their poor as the English Protestant Lords. From the Vikings > to the Normans to the French and just about every other European > kingdom did the same. It was a time of uncontrolled elites running > anywhere and grabbing anyone their could overpower to make them > do their will or make a profit from them - including those on their > own estates. Not all were the same, but the Africans and the Irish > did not have a monopoly on this. Talk to a lot of other indigenous > populations around the world. > > I think it better to ignore those who try to exploit our dark times > for political purposes. I have many Irish Catholic ancestors > and I think I honour them better by working to ensure that this > is ended and does not happen again to all of God's children - whether > they are Saqaliba, Dalits, Irish, African, or whoever. Stirring up ethnic > populations with a surgical and biased view of ones own history > does not help anything! This is an easy thing to get caught up in. > Let's not. > > Peter > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don W Kincaid > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 7:50 PM > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Subject: [KINCAID] Irish Slaves > > I just finished reading about a sad bad time in history. A surname > newsletter mentioned it and provided a link to it. The rounding up and > selling of Irish citizens reduced the population of Ireland dramatically. > For those whose lineage comes through Ireland, slavery could be a big > detriment to finding records of ancestors. None of the history courses I > had in school or university ever mentioned the Irish Slave Trade so it may > be news to some of you as well. Don > > The Irish Slave Trade - The Forgotten "White" Slaves > They came as slaves; vast human cargo transported on tall British ships > bound for the Americas. They were shipped by the hundreds of thousands and > included men, women, and even the youngest of children. > > Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in > the > harshest ways. Slave owners would hang their human property by their hands > and set their hands or feet on fire as one form of punishment. They were > burned alive and had their heads placed on pikes in the marketplace as a > warning to other captives. > > We don't really need to go through all of the gory details, do we? We know > all too well the atrocities of the African slave trade. > > But, are we talking about African slavery? King James II and Charles I also > led a continued effort to enslave the Irish. Britain's famed Oliver > Cromwell > furthered this practice of dehumanizing one's next door neighbor. > > The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as > slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political > prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies. > By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and > Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were > Irish slaves. > > Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English > merchants. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually > white. > > From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and > another > 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland's population fell from about 1,500,000 > to 600,000 in one single decade. Families were ripped apart as the British > did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across > the Atlantic. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and > children. Britain's solution was to auction them off as well. > > During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 > were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, > Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and > children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia. Another 30,000 Irish men and > women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, > Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as > slaves to English settlers. > > Many people today will avoid calling the Irish slaves what they truly were: > Slaves. They'll come up with terms like "Indentured Servants" to describe > what occurred to the Irish. However, in most cases from the 17th and 18th > centuries, Irish slaves were nothing more than human cattle. > > As an example, the African slave trade was just beginning during this same > period. It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the stain > of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were often > treated far better than their Irish counterparts. > > African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (50 Sterling). > Irish slaves came cheap (no more than 5 Sterling). If a planter whipped or > branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. A death was > a > monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African. > The > English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their own > personal pleasure and for greater profit. Children of slaves were > themselves > slaves, which increased the size of the master's free workforce. Even if an > Irish woman somehow obtained her freedom, her kids would remain slaves of > her master. Thus, Irish moms, even with this new found emancipation, would > seldom abandon their kids and would remain in servitude. > > In time, the English thought of a better way to use these women (in many > cases, girls as young as 12) to increase their market share: The settlers > began to breed Irish women and girls with African men to produce slaves > with > a distinct complexion. These new "mulatto" slaves brought a higher price > than Irish livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money > rather than purchase new African slaves. This practice of interbreeding > Irish females with African men went on for several decades and was so > widespread that, in 1681, legislation was passed "forbidding the practice > of > mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of producing > slaves for sale." In short, it was stopped only because it interfered with > the profits of a large slave transport company. > > England continued to ship tens of thousands of Irish slaves for more than a > century. Records state that, after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands of > Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia. There were horrible > abuses of both African and Irish captives. One British ship even dumped > 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so that the crew would have plenty of > food to eat. > > There is little question that the Irish experienced the horrors of slavery > as much (if not more in the 17th Century) as the Africans did. There is, > also, very little question that those brown, tanned faces you witness in > your travels to the West Indies are very likely a combination of African > and > Irish ancestry. In 1839, Britain finally decided on it's own to end it's > participation in Satan's highway to hell and stopped transporting slaves. > While their decision did not stop pirates from doing what they desired, the > new law slowly concluded THIS chapter of nightmarish Irish misery. > > But, if anyone, black or white, believes that slavery was only an African > experience, then they've got it completely wrong. > > Irish slavery is a subject worth remembering, not erasing from our > memories. > > But, where are our public (and PRIVATE) schools???? Where are the history > books? Why is it so seldom discussed? > > Do the memories of hundreds of thousands of Irish victims merit more than a > mention from an unknown writer? > > Or is their story to be one that their English pirates intended: To (unlike > the African book) have the Irish story utterly and completely disappear as > if it never happened. > > None of the Irish victims ever made it back to their homeland to describe > their ordeal. These are the lost slaves; the ones that time and biased > history books conveniently forgot. > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Results are in for #23735's upgrade from 37 to 67 markers. There are 5 variances from the C-2 AAV within that range. He has 3 variances in the 1-37 range. Together this suggests he does not belong in this set. I have moved him to "ungrouped" but may reconsider and move him to "possible cousin" as his ancestor is a Shoemaker b 1947. I have sent a new chart to Grant. Depending on his schedule and available time, it might take several days for him to upload it to the Kincaiddna site. Sue