Here's the original 2001 posting. There are several errors in the biography...including "Carlisle Co., Pennsylvania." There is no and never was a Carlisle County. From: rkincaid@sprynet.com Subject: [KINCAID] Illinois Kincaids Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:35:56 -0400 Here are two links to biographies transcribed from the 1891 biographical history of Sangamon Co., IL. This helps sort out some of the Kincaids in Sangamon, Menard and Greene Cos., IL. The first is for John R. Kincaid, son of James and Mary Jane (Gwin) Kincaid. http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilsangam/1891/kincaid.htm The second is for William Shumate, whose second wife was Mary Kincaid. What is significant about this is that from a previous abstract, I erroneously believed that Mary was a granddaughter of Archibald and a daughter of Archibald's son, William Townsley Kincaid. Now with the complete biography, it can be determined that the publication had the name of her grandfather wrong. This Mary is the granddaughter of ANDREW Kincaid, the daughter of his son, William Townsley Kincaid and Elizabeth Mace. The movements, locations and dates are those of Andrew (and verified through other sources) and it's known that Archibald stayed in Bath Co., KY and died there. Note the complete listing of children, with locations, for William Townsley Kincaid and Elizabeth Mace. http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilsangam/1891/shumate.htm -----Original Message----- >From: Kim Kincaid <n2myroots@aol.com> >Sent: Mar 12, 2014 1:48 PM >To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >Subject: [KINCAID] William T Kincaid of Carlisle County, PA, Kentucky & Greene County, Illinois > >I found this online and it refers to descendants of William T Kincaid of Greene County, Illinois. It mentions that his father was named Archibald. > > > > " Mr. Shumate was a second time married on the 20th of December, 1847, in Greene County, Ill., the lady of his choice being Miss Mary Kincaid, daughter of William T. Kincaid who was born in Carlisle County, Pa. Her grandfather, Archibald Kincaid, was born in Ireland, and at an early day went to Pennsylvania, where for some time he filled the office of Surveyor. He was a well educated man, a prominent citizen and an influential member of society. In the early history of Kentucky he removed with his family to that State where he developed two farms. In 1821 he came to Illinois, making a locating in Greene County, where he entered large tracts of land. He was a Presbyterian elder and a gentleman of most worthy character whose loss the community deeply mourned. The father of Mrs. Shumate remained in Pennsylvania until twelve years of age when he accompanied his family to Kentucky where he was married. He served in the War of 1812, andparticipated in the battle of! ! > Tippecanoe under Gen. Harrison. In 1818 he brought his wife and children to Illinois, which became a State in that year and entered land in Sinclair County. He was a man of great energy and of resolute purpose, and whatever he undertook was sure to accomplish. In connection with general farming he carried on stock raising and was very successful in the undertaking. In the fall of 1822 he removed to Greene County, where he improved a large farm, becoming one of the substantial citizens of the community. He was first a Whig and afterwards a Republican in politics, and in religious belief was a Presbyterian. He died in June, 1876, at the ripe old age of ninety years. His wife was born in Virginia and her father served in the Revolutionary War. He owned a number of slaves and about 1818 removed to Pike County, Mo., where he last days were spent. > Nine children were born to Mr. and Mrs. Kincaid - John M., a resident of Texas; Andrew K., who died in Galena, Ill.; Archibald, who died in Greene County; Mrs. Sallie Mitchell, of Greene County; Mary, wife of our subject; Jemima and Eliza, who died in Greene County; Mrs. Gabrilla Reeves, of Greene County; William L., who served the late war and is now living in Greene County. John M. was also in the late war for about three years." > >http://sangamon.illinoisgenweb.org/1891/shumate.htm > >For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > >www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

However there is a town of Carlisle in Cumberland Co. PA. The informant or biographer evidently heard that Wm T was born in Carlisle PA and assumed that was the county name rather than a town name. I have noted mixups between a location name being that of a township or county have occured in other records when the author does not have geopolitical knowledge of the area. A DNA participant from this line might shed light on descent from Andrew as Archibald's descendents appear to have a mutation to 17 at marker 25 (DYS 464d) which Andrew's line does not have. The "might" and "appear" are in the previous sentence because lines down from Andrew & Archibald have not been vetted nor has a vetted line through a second son isolated the mutation to Archibald. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall Kincaid" <rkincaid@sprynet.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] William T Kincaid of Carlisle County, PA, Kentucky & Greene County, Illinois > Here's the original 2001 posting. There are several errors in the > biography...including "Carlisle Co., Pennsylvania." There is no and never > was a Carlisle County. > > From: rkincaid@sprynet.com > Subject: [KINCAID] Illinois Kincaids > Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:35:56 -0400 > > > Here are two links to biographies transcribed from the 1891 biographical > history of Sangamon Co., IL. This helps sort out some of the Kincaids in > Sangamon, Menard and Greene Cos., IL. > > The first is for John R. Kincaid, son of James and Mary Jane (Gwin) > Kincaid. > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilsangam/1891/kincaid.htm > > The second is for William Shumate, whose second wife was Mary Kincaid. > What is significant about this is that from a previous abstract, I > erroneously believed that Mary was a granddaughter of Archibald and a > daughter of Archibald's son, William Townsley Kincaid. Now with the > complete biography, it can be determined that the publication had the name > of her grandfather wrong. This Mary is the granddaughter of ANDREW > Kincaid, the daughter of his son, William Townsley Kincaid and Elizabeth > Mace. The movements, locations and dates are those of Andrew (and verified > through other sources) and it's known that Archibald stayed in Bath Co., > KY and died there. Note the complete listing of children, with locations, > for William Townsley Kincaid and Elizabeth Mace. > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilsangam/1891/shumate.htm > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Kim Kincaid <n2myroots@aol.com> >>Sent: Mar 12, 2014 1:48 PM >>To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [KINCAID] William T Kincaid of Carlisle County, PA, Kentucky & >>Greene County, Illinois >> >>I found this online and it refers to descendants of William T Kincaid of >>Greene County, Illinois. It mentions that his father was named >>Archibald. >> >> >> >> " Mr. Shumate was a second time married on the 20th of December, >> 1847, in Greene County, Ill., the lady of his choice being Miss Mary >> Kincaid, daughter of William T. Kincaid who was born in Carlisle County, >> Pa. Her grandfather, Archibald Kincaid, was born in Ireland, and at an >> early day went to Pennsylvania, where for some time he filled the office >> of Surveyor. He was a well educated man, a prominent citizen and an >> influential member of society. In the early history of Kentucky he >> removed with his family to that State where he developed two farms. In >> 1821 he came to Illinois, making a locating in Greene County, where he >> entered large tracts of land. He was a Presbyterian elder and a >> gentleman of most worthy character whose loss the community deeply >> mourned. The father of Mrs. Shumate remained in Pennsylvania until >> twelve years of age when he accompanied his family to Kentucky where he >> was married. He served in the War of 1812, andparticipated in the battle >> of! > ! >> Tippecanoe under Gen. Harrison. In 1818 he brought his wife and children >> to Illinois, which became a State in that year and entered land in >> Sinclair County. He was a man of great energy and of resolute purpose, >> and whatever he undertook was sure to accomplish. In connection with >> general farming he carried on stock raising and was very successful in >> the undertaking. In the fall of 1822 he removed to Greene County, where >> he improved a large farm, becoming one of the substantial citizens of the >> community. He was first a Whig and afterwards a Republican in politics, >> and in religious belief was a Presbyterian. He died in June, 1876, at >> the ripe old age of ninety years. His wife was born in Virginia and her >> father served in the Revolutionary War. He owned a number of slaves and >> about 1818 removed to Pike County, Mo., where he last days were spent. >> Nine children were born to Mr. and Mrs. Kincaid - John M., a >> resident of Texas; Andrew K., who died in Galena, Ill.; Archibald, who >> died in Greene County; Mrs. Sallie Mitchell, of Greene County; Mary, wife >> of our subject; Jemima and Eliza, who died in Greene County; Mrs. >> Gabrilla Reeves, of Greene County; William L., who served the late war >> and is now living in Greene County. John M. was also in the late war for >> about three years." >> >>http://sangamon.illinoisgenweb.org/1891/shumate.htm >> >>For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, >>including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: >> >>www.kincaiddna.org >> >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message