I looked at Courtney's ancestor, Guy H. Kincaid, who is in the 1850 Greene County, IL census. His occupation was blacksmith, suggesting a connection to George Kincaid/Polly of Greene County. Guy is shown as age 25, born in Kentucky, and his wife Martha J was a. 22, also born in KY. They had a son Richard, a. 1 born in Illinois, and living with them was Mary F. Kinkead a. 18, born in KY, possibly a sister of Guy. The 1830 and 1840 censuses for Greene County, IL show male and female children in George's family, but his will names only his wife Polly to inherit his land and possessions. If none of their children were included in George's will, would there have been any legal basis for the children to contest the will? All of the children would have been treated equally, i.e. left out of the will. George Kincaid's 1844 will and estate details, two pages, are here: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-17909-31031-28?cc=1834344&wc=M9MT-BZW:n1299987272 Who was Jefferson Dixon? -----Original Message----- From: Kim Kincaid Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 7:57 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County,Illinois (Barbara Van Hout) HI Barbara, I don't remember any blacksmith tools. Items sold to the Johnson's were household items, bed, a stove, etc. I can stop back by, but I did not make copies. A lot of the notes against the estate where for farm items. If timing permits this year, on my trips through the area, I'll stop in Pike, Greene & Adams counties in Illinois and Marion & Lewis counties in Missouri to look for Kincaids. Any help with a research plan for families in the area would be helpful to me. I travel a lot and although my family came from this area, my husband's Kincaid's did not. Would it be helpful for DNA to find a descendant of Russell Kincaid? Kim Message: 1Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:12:47 -0400From: "Barbara Van Hout" <dutchtreat@prodigy.net>Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County, IllinoisTo: <kincaid@rootsweb.com>Message-ID: <CBB0857DAE93490D8BCB4C06EF7B99DA@INSPIRON560>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=originalKim,Were the blacksmith tools listed and sold, according to Archibald's estate packet?A blacksmith's job was a skilled trade and required years of training and workas an apprentice to become qualified.The Colonial Blacksmith: The Most Important Man in the Villagehttp://voices.yahoo.com/the-colonial-blacksmith-most-important-man-in-24579.htmlBarbara-----Original Message----- From: Kim KincaidSent: Monday, March 10, 2014 1:32 PMTo: kincaid@rootsweb.comSubject: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County, IllinoisRandall,I'll see if next time I can go to Greene County, IL and find the probatepacket for George Kincaid to see if they have more than the books! .KimMessage: 3> Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 12:18:48 -0700 (GMT-07:00)> From: Randall Kincaid <rkincaid@sprynet.com>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County, Illinois> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com> Message-ID:>> <25075520.1394306329374.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8>> Kim, this is good new information. I do need to again correct the> informationin Barbara's original post. In George Kincaid's Greene County, Illinoiswill/probate record Archibald Kincaid is NOT named as George's son. Therecorddoes specifically appoint his "wife, Polly" as executrix and it simplystatesthat the blacksmith tools are bequested to "Archibald Kincaid of PikeCounty,Illinois". It would be wrong to assign Archibald as George's son as it seemslikely that he is not. Where the will specifies the relationship to Polly,it isthe lack of a specified relationship that makes it likely Archibald is notGeorge's son. It could be a nephew, a cousi! n or other relationship or norelationship. The fact is that will does not specify any childrenwhatsoever.>> This family group is likely to be part of the Andrew Kincaid/Martha> Townsleyfamily. For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Are then any other known vitals for George that would help establish his age? What are the ages of the children in 1840? Can Polly be found in 1850? If some of the children were minors in 1844 then it would make sense for George to leave her the means of caring for them with the reliance that she would distribute the property among the children at her death. Then there is always the possibility that the children in the household were not George's children. Kim, it is always helpful to have a DNA participant from the line of an early Kincaid with unknown connections. Knowing who he is closely related to can help guide further research and expands our knowledge of the several Kincaid families. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Van Hout" <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County,Illinois (Barbara Van Hout) >I looked at Courtney's ancestor, Guy H. Kincaid, who is in the 1850 Greene > County, IL census. His occupation was blacksmith, suggesting a connection > to George Kincaid/Polly of Greene County. > Guy is shown as age 25, born in Kentucky, and his wife > Martha J was a. 22, also born in KY. > They had a son Richard, a. 1 born in Illinois, and living with them was > Mary > F. Kinkead a. 18, born in KY, possibly a sister of Guy. > > The 1830 and 1840 censuses for Greene County, IL show male and female > children in George's family, but his will names only his wife Polly to > inherit his land and possessions. If none of their children were included > in George's will, would there have been any legal basis for the children > to > contest the will? > > All of the children would have been treated equally, i.e. left out of the > will. > > George Kincaid's 1844 will and estate details, two pages, are here: > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-17909-31031-28?cc=1834344&wc=M9MT-BZW:n1299987272 > > Who was Jefferson Dixon? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Kincaid > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 7:57 PM > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County,Illinois (Barbara > Van Hout) > > > HI Barbara, > > I don't remember any blacksmith tools. Items sold to the Johnson's were > household items, bed, a stove, etc. I can stop back by, but I did not > make > copies. A lot of the notes against the estate where for farm items. > > If timing permits this year, on my trips through the area, I'll stop in > Pike, Greene & Adams counties in Illinois and Marion & Lewis counties in > Missouri to look for Kincaids. > > Any help with a research plan for families in the area would be helpful to > me. I travel a lot and although my family came from this area, my > husband's > Kincaid's did not. > > Would it be helpful for DNA to find a descendant of Russell Kincaid? > > Kim > > Message: 1Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:12:47 -0400From: "Barbara Van Hout" > <dutchtreat@prodigy.net>Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike > County, IllinoisTo: <kincaid@rootsweb.com>Message-ID: > <CBB0857DAE93490D8BCB4C06EF7B99DA@INSPIRON560>Content-Type: text/plain; > format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=originalKim,Were the > blacksmith tools listed and sold, according to Archibald's estate packet?A > blacksmith's job was a skilled trade and required years of training and > workas an apprentice to become qualified.The Colonial Blacksmith: The Most > Important Man in the > Villagehttp://voices.yahoo.com/the-colonial-blacksmith-most-important-man-in-24579.htmlBarbara-----Original > Message----- From: Kim KincaidSent: Monday, March 10, 2014 1:32 PMTo: > kincaid@rootsweb.comSubject: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County, > IllinoisRandall,I'll see if next time I can go to Greene County, IL and > find > the probatepacket for George Kincaid to see if they have more than the > books! > .KimMessage: 3> Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 12:18:48 -0700 (GMT-07:00)> From: > Randall Kincaid <rkincaid@sprynet.com>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald > Kincaid of Pike County, Illinois> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com> Message-ID:>> > <25075520.1394306329374.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8>> Kim, this is good new > information. > I do need to again correct the> informationin Barbara's original post. In > George Kincaid's Greene County, Illinoiswill/probate record Archibald > Kincaid is NOT named as George's son. Therecorddoes specifically appoint > his > "wife, Polly" as executrix and it simplystatesthat the blacksmith tools > are > bequested to "Archibald Kincaid of PikeCounty,Illinois". It would be wrong > to assign Archibald as George's son as it seemslikely that he is not. > Where > the will specifies the relationship to Polly,it isthe lack of a specified > relationship that makes it likely Archibald is notGeorge's son. It could > be > a nephew, a cousi! > n or other relationship or norelationship. The fact is that will does > not specify any childrenwhatsoever.>> This family group is likely to be > part > of the Andrew Kincaid/Martha> Townsleyfamily. > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
It would be good to learn if this George and Polly had a relation to my great great great grandfather Guy. And he did state he was a blacksmith on one of the censuses. On another he said he was a merchant. So maybe he changed trades at some point. It was previously suggested there was a relation to a woman named Barbara Kincaid. And if she is his mother, then his father most likely died before 1850. Below is copied an old archived list email from Randy. On another note, I'm certain that Martha J "Punsley" as listed in the marriage record is actually Martha Jane Pursley. Martha Jane Pursley's sister Susan Pursley Cushing had a son named Samuel E Cushing, and he married Emma Lena Kinkead who was a daughter of Guy Kinkead (from his 2nd marriage with Isabel Lamb). Also Charles Richard Kinkead (son of Guy and Martha) married Leonora Bell Cushing who was a cousin to Samuel E Cushing. There's a few connections between the Kinkeads, Cushings, and Pursleys in that time frame, so they all must have been a close-knit group. Courtney Kahler www.chainedheartjewelry.com From: Randy Kincaid <rkincaid@sprynet.com> Sent: 02/04/03 04:36 PM To: KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Guy Kincaid: Christian Cty, KY > > This is a long shot but the following Illinois KINCAID/KINKEAD family group may tie into this. I've kept track of them as they are in the same general area at the same time as my Kincaids, but I've never found an indication that they were related. To all appearances they are a different line. In many records, the following group is spelled KINKEAD; in some records KINCAID. Barbara Kincaid/Kinkead is in Greene Co., Illinois as early as 1834 when she purchases 80 acres with the Illinois record dated in March 1834 and a federal patent granted in 1835. On the land patent she is noted as "Barbara Kincaid of Greene Co., Illinois." KINCAID BARBARA FD W2SE 15 10N 10W 3 80.00 1.25 100.00 FEMALE 03/12/1834 GREENE 343 136 In the 1850 federal census, Barbara is found in Macoupin County, unknown Townships as follows: Barbara KINKEAD 56 F b. Ohio Jackson KINKEAD 21 Farmer M b. Kentucky Archie KINKEAD 19 Farmer M b. Kentucky Levi KINKEAD 22 Farmer M b. Kentucky Also in the 1850 federal census can be found Guy H. Kinkead, known to be Barbara's son from other records. He is found in Greene County, Macoupin & Apple Creek Township. Guy H. KINKEAD 25 M Blacksmith b. Kentucky Martha J. KINKEAD 22 F b. Kentucky Richard KINKEAD 1 M b. Illinois Mary F. KINKEAD 18 F b. Kentucky (Guy's sister, Barbara's daughter?) The given name Guy seems to be relegated to only a couple of Kincaid lines so this may be a good clue. Randy ________________________________ From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County, Illinois (Barbara Van Hout) Are then any other known vitals for George that would help establish his age? What are the ages of the children in 1840? Can Polly be found in 1850? If some of the children were minors in 1844 then it would make sense for George to leave her the means of caring for them with the reliance that she would distribute the property among the children at her death. Then there is always the possibility that the children in the household were not George's children. Kim, it is always helpful to have a DNA participant from the line of an early Kincaid with unknown connections. Knowing who he is closely related to can help guide further research and expands our knowledge of the several Kincaid families. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Van Hout" <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County,Illinois (Barbara Van Hout) >I looked at Courtney's ancestor, Guy H. Kincaid, who is in the 1850 Greene > County, IL census. His occupation was blacksmith, suggesting a connection > to George Kincaid/Polly of Greene County. > Guy is shown as age 25, born in Kentucky, and his wife > Martha J was a. 22, also born in KY. > They had a son Richard, a. 1 born in Illinois, and living with them was > Mary > F. Kinkead a. 18, born in KY, possibly a sister of Guy. > > The 1830 and 1840 censuses for Greene County, IL show male and female > children in George's family, but his will names only his wife Polly to > inherit his land and possessions. If none of their children were included > in George's will, would there have been any legal basis for the children > to > contest the will? > > All of the children would have been treated equally, i.e. left out of the > will. > > George Kincaid's 1844 will and estate details, two pages, are here: > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-17909-31031-28?cc=1834344&wc=M9MT-BZW:n1299987272 > > Who was Jefferson Dixon? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Kincaid > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 7:57 PM > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County,Illinois (Barbara > Van Hout) > > > HI Barbara, > > I don't remember any blacksmith tools. Items sold to the Johnson's were > household items, bed, a stove, etc. I can stop back by, but I did not > make > copies. A lot of the notes against the estate where for farm items. > > If timing permits this year, on my trips through the area, I'll stop in > Pike, Greene & Adams counties in Illinois and Marion & Lewis counties in > Missouri to look for Kincaids. > > Any help with a research plan for families in the area would be helpful to > me. I travel a lot and although my family came from this area, my > husband's > Kincaid's did not. > > Would it be helpful for DNA to find a descendant of Russell Kincaid? > > Kim > > Message: 1Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:12:47 -0400From: "Barbara Van Hout" > <dutchtreat@prodigy.net>Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike > County, IllinoisTo: <kincaid@rootsweb.com>Message-ID: > <CBB0857DAE93490D8BCB4C06EF7B99DA@INSPIRON560>Content-Type: text/plain; > format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=originalKim,Were the > blacksmith tools listed and sold, according to Archibald's estate packet?A > blacksmith's job was a skilled trade and required years of training and > workas an apprentice to become qualified.The Colonial Blacksmith: The Most > Important Man in the > Villagehttp://voices.yahoo.com/the-colonial-blacksmith-most-important-man-in-24579.htmlBarbara-----Original > Message----- From: Kim KincaidSent: Monday, March 10, 2014 1:32 PMTo: > kincaid@rootsweb.comSubject: [KINCAID] Archibald Kincaid of Pike County, > IllinoisRandall,I'll see if next time I can go to Greene County, IL and > find > the probatepacket for George Kincaid to see if they have more than the > books! > .KimMessage: 3> Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 12:18:48 -0700 (GMT-07:00)> From: > Randall Kincaid <rkincaid@sprynet.com>> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Archibald > Kincaid of Pike County, Illinois> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com> Message-ID:>> > <25075520.1394306329374.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8>> Kim, this is good new > information. > I do need to again correct the> informationin Barbara's original post. In > George Kincaid's Greene County, Illinoiswill/probate record Archibald > Kincaid is NOT named as George's son. Therecorddoes specifically appoint > his > "wife, Polly" as executrix and it simplystatesthat the blacksmith tools > are > bequested to "Archibald Kincaid of PikeCounty,Illinois". It would be wrong > to assign Archibald as George's son as it seemslikely that he is not. > Where > the will specifies the relationship to Polly,it isthe lack of a specified > relationship that makes it likely Archibald is notGeorge's son. It could > be > a nephew, a cousi! > n or other relationship or norelationship. The fact is that will does > not specify any childrenwhatsoever.>> This family group is likely to be > part > of the Andrew Kincaid/Martha> Townsleyfamily. > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message