I have now placed #332094's results in the A1a subgroup on the FTDNA chart. When I send a new chart to Grant in mid May, he will appear in the Fayette section. His 1-37 marker results are straight Group A Apparent Ancestral Value. He is believed to descend from Thomas b c1742 d 1817 Grbr Co. VA m c1760 Hannah Tincher thru their son Samuel m 1785 Mary Tinche thru Samuel's son William m 1810 Jinnet (Jane/Virginia) Kincaid (dau of John/Elizabeth Gillespie Kincaid). While we have quite a few participants believing descent from Samuel, they all descend through Thomas/Polly Davis. Attempts to vet Thomas/Polly to Samuel of the 3 Wives (Mary Tincher/Huldah Osborne/Diana Ewing) has met with opposition. Since William and wife Jane are listed on the 16th June 1849 deed from Samuel's heirs to John Guinn, it is hoped the vetting post the researcher intends to create later this year will have a better reception. She hopes to address previous objections with additional clarity.. Meanwhile some documentation in support of the claim. Grbr Marriage bond: Kincaid, William and Kincaid, Jannet. Bond dated 17 Nov 1810 by William Kincaid & Thomas Kincaid. Permission slip from John Kincaid for Jinnet to marry. testemony by Thomas Kincaid, Francis Kincaid. Testemony that William is over 21 by Thomas Kincaid. Gillespie Bible Inscription: "James Galaspe Jr. his Book, July 20, 1760 Cow Pasture Augusta, God grant Blesings to thes person in Vir, Elisabeth Hanna Kincaid John Kincaid. Selected entries: Elizabeth Gillisapy was born May 31st 1760 1829 1760 69. John Kincaid was Born March the 10 day on Tusday 1761 John A Kincaid was Born the 20 January on this day 1820 Son of William Kincaid and Jane [partipant is descendent of John A Kincaid] 1850 Fayette Co. Dist 14 census HH 66 Kincaid William 63, Jane 55, Wm B 28, Elizabeth 21, James A 18, George C 16, George V 12 1860 Fayetteville census HH 317 Kincaid John A 40, Sarah 41, Alfred H. 18, Margaret J 14, Nancy E 13, James H 11, Sarah E. 8, Lewis E 5, Jonathan V 1 Augustus F 1 [James H ( James W 30 on 1880 census and in researcher's records) was ancestor of participant] A 27th day of April 1850 additon to the 1849 deed of heirs says that William Kincaid & Jane his wife along with the other Fayette Co heirs acknowledged to Charles Hughart & William Guinn that they signed the deed. Each heir sold 1/14th of the property left by Samuel at his death. On 5 Aug 1847 William Kincaid of Fayette Co. alone executed a deed for the same land (1/14th part) "tract on which Samuel Sr.did formally live and on which Diana Kincaid now resides." Samuel Kincaid (also on 1849 deed) executed a deed with same wording to John Guinn on Sep 1, 1847 __________________________ Researcher will be looking for additional documentation for link from Samuel to Thomas/Hannah, however, a GPS proof may be all that is possible. Marriage Bonds Kincaid, Samuel and Tincher, Mary. Bonds dated 17th day of June 1785 signed by Samuel Kincaid and Daniel Harra. No permission slips. Kincaid, Samuel and Osburn, Huldah. Bonds dated 13th day of March 1802 posted by Samuel Kincaid and John Butler Samuel Kincaid and Diana Ewing were married 1828 in Monroe Co. VA [note: William Kincaid b c1787. Danial Hurrah m Elizabeth Kincaid, dau of Thomas/Hannah]] Deeds 24 April 1792 Thomas Kincaid and wife Hannah 207a for 5 sh to Samuel Kincaid on Muddy Ck part of survey to David McDowell adj. Griffits, John Kincaid. 12/4/1816 Samuel Kincaid and Huldy his wife to Thomas Bennett, 12a on Muddy adj. John Butler 12/4/1816 Samuel Kincaid and Huldy his wife to John Butler, 195a on waters of Muddy being part of a survey of 1000a made for Daniel McDowell adj. Thomas Bennett Circuit Court Case 147. Heirs of Richard F. Tyree pltff vs John Butler, Thomas & Samuel Kincaid, etc. Suit concerned a possible survey error affecting the 240a mentioned below. In testemony John Butler says his 1st wife was sister of Robert Harrah. [Rbt was son of Charles m Margaret Kincaid, dau of Thomas/Hannah. John Butler m Elizabeth Harrah 1802] Testemony by Samuel Kincaid in response to Butler's questioning shows that John Butler traded 240a [1811 grant 240a to Butler on Ephraim's Creek] to Samuel who traded it to Tyree for the land in the 1849 deed of heirs. [Deed from Butler to Sam not yet found] Testemony by Thomas Kincaid, son of Sam, indicates that if Tyree were to gain the suit, he would expect to get part of the Muddy Creek land. Sue Liedtke

I found information about a James Gillespie in Chalkley's Chronicles. Was this the James Gillespie of the Bible record? Page 263.--5th September, 1768. James Gilaspey's will, farmer--To wife Jennet; to son John, plantation John now lives on; to son James, plantation James now lives on; to son William, plantation William now lives on, but if William should die before his present wife, then to William's children; to brother John's children, if they should come for it (they are in Ireland); to 5 children, viz: John, James, William, Agness and Elizabeth Executors, sons John, James, William Gilaspy and Edward Hall. Teste: Elenor Hall, Sarah Hall, Ben. Stewart. Proved, 20th October, 1769, by Elenor Hall and Benj. Stewart. Edward Hall and Wm. Gillespey qualify, with Ben. Stewart and John Hamilton. Page 268.--21st November, 1769. Appraisement recorded of James Gillespie's estate, by John Ramsey, John Black, John Davidson, Jr. ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/augusta/court/3court11.txt -----Original Message----- From: Sue Liedtke Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:51 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: [KINCAID] Info on #332094 I have now placed #332094's results in the A1a subgroup on the FTDNA chart. When I send a new chart to Grant in mid May, he will appear in the Fayette section. His 1-37 marker results are straight Group A Apparent Ancestral Value. He is believed to descend from Thomas b c1742 d 1817 Grbr Co. VA m c1760 Hannah Tincher thru their son Samuel m 1785 Mary Tinche thru Samuel's son William m 1810 Jinnet (Jane/Virginia) Kincaid (dau of John/Elizabeth Gillespie Kincaid). While we have quite a few participants believing descent from Samuel, they all descend through Thomas/Polly Davis. Attempts to vet Thomas/Polly to Samuel of the 3 Wives (Mary Tincher/Huldah Osborne/Diana Ewing) has met with opposition. Since William and wife Jane are listed on the 16th June 1849 deed from Samuel's heirs to John Guinn, it is hoped the vetting post the researcher intends to create later this year will have a better reception. She hopes to address previous objections with additional clarity.. Meanwhile some documentation in support of the claim. Grbr Marriage bond: Kincaid, William and Kincaid, Jannet. Bond dated 17 Nov 1810 by William Kincaid & Thomas Kincaid. Permission slip from John Kincaid for Jinnet to marry. testemony by Thomas Kincaid, Francis Kincaid. Testemony that William is over 21 by Thomas Kincaid. Gillespie Bible Inscription: "James Galaspe Jr. his Book, July 20, 1760 Cow Pasture Augusta, God grant Blesings to thes person in Vir, Elisabeth Hanna Kincaid John Kincaid. Selected entries: Elizabeth Gillisapy was born May 31st 1760 1829 1760 69. John Kincaid was Born March the 10 day on Tusday 1761 John A Kincaid was Born the 20 January on this day 1820 Son of William Kincaid and Jane [partipant is descendent of John A Kincaid] 1850 Fayette Co. Dist 14 census HH 66 Kincaid William 63, Jane 55, Wm B 28, Elizabeth 21, James A 18, George C 16, George V 12 1860 Fayetteville census HH 317 Kincaid John A 40, Sarah 41, Alfred H. 18, Margaret J 14, Nancy E 13, James H 11, Sarah E. 8, Lewis E 5, Jonathan V 1 Augustus F 1 [James H ( James W 30 on 1880 census and in researcher's records) was ancestor of participant] A 27th day of April 1850 additon to the 1849 deed of heirs says that William Kincaid & Jane his wife along with the other Fayette Co heirs acknowledged to Charles Hughart & William Guinn that they signed the deed. Each heir sold 1/14th of the property left by Samuel at his death. On 5 Aug 1847 William Kincaid of Fayette Co. alone executed a deed for the same land (1/14th part) "tract on which Samuel Sr.did formally live and on which Diana Kincaid now resides." Samuel Kincaid (also on 1849 deed) executed a deed with same wording to John Guinn on Sep 1, 1847 __________________________ Researcher will be looking for additional documentation for link from Samuel to Thomas/Hannah, however, a GPS proof may be all that is possible. Marriage Bonds Kincaid, Samuel and Tincher, Mary. Bonds dated 17th day of June 1785 signed by Samuel Kincaid and Daniel Harra. No permission slips. Kincaid, Samuel and Osburn, Huldah. Bonds dated 13th day of March 1802 posted by Samuel Kincaid and John Butler Samuel Kincaid and Diana Ewing were married 1828 in Monroe Co. VA [note: William Kincaid b c1787. Danial Hurrah m Elizabeth Kincaid, dau of Thomas/Hannah]] Deeds 24 April 1792 Thomas Kincaid and wife Hannah 207a for 5 sh to Samuel Kincaid on Muddy Ck part of survey to David McDowell adj. Griffits, John Kincaid. 12/4/1816 Samuel Kincaid and Huldy his wife to Thomas Bennett, 12a on Muddy adj. John Butler 12/4/1816 Samuel Kincaid and Huldy his wife to John Butler, 195a on waters of Muddy being part of a survey of 1000a made for Daniel McDowell adj. Thomas Bennett Circuit Court Case 147. Heirs of Richard F. Tyree pltff vs John Butler, Thomas & Samuel Kincaid, etc. Suit concerned a possible survey error affecting the 240a mentioned below. In testemony John Butler says his 1st wife was sister of Robert Harrah. [Rbt was son of Charles m Margaret Kincaid, dau of Thomas/Hannah. John Butler m Elizabeth Harrah 1802] Testemony by Samuel Kincaid in response to Butler's questioning shows that John Butler traded 240a [1811 grant 240a to Butler on Ephraim's Creek] to Samuel who traded it to Tyree for the land in the 1849 deed of heirs. [Deed from Butler to Sam not yet found] Testemony by Thomas Kincaid, son of Sam, indicates that if Tyree were to gain the suit, he would expect to get part of the Muddy Creek land. Sue Liedtke For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Bible says James Jr. Wife named Jennet suggests this is the correct family. James d 1768 may be grandfather. Chain of thought with possibly relevant names: Appraiser John Ramsey owned land (devised in his 1783) will between John Patrick & John Black. His appraisement was by John Black, Wm Gillespy, Wm Finley and Thos.Turk. John's wife, Mary Ramsey died in Alb Co. in 1785. Appraiser John Black may be the one who in 1746 bought from James Davis 375a in the eastern area of Beverly Manor. James Gillespie's estate (210a & adj 208a surveyed 1740) was near the 375a. Could the 3rd appraiser be John Davis Jr instead of John Davidson Jr? I have Davis in my notes. John Ramsey bought land on the Cow Pasture from Hugh Coffee's heir John of NC in 1766. Thomas/Hannah Kincaid sold their Albemarle land to Benjamin Coffee. Danial O'Harrah sold his Alb land to Thomas Coffee. Danial OHarrah and wife Elizabeth [probably the Danial who m Eliz Ramsey 1745 Dunmore Twnship, Lancaster Co. PA. Danial's father lived next to Robert Ramsey. Danial is mentioned in a Robert Ramsey's Augusta Co. will] sold land to Alex Miller "on a branch of the Cowpasture" in 1767. Danial O'Harrah was the father of Danial/Elizabeth Kincaid, and Charles/Margaret Kincaid. Danial held land in Albemarle Co.(1771-5) next to the land Thomas/Hannah Tincher Kincaid held (1765-1771). Danial O'Hara and Andrew Kincaid of Alb were sued in 1772 by Woods for a note taken out 10 yrs prior. [Andrew's wife Mary may have been a Ramsey]. Thomas & Benj Coffee witnessed sale of Alb land by Andrew/Mary Kincaid in 1767. Danial Harrah and sons are in Grbr Co. by the early 1780's. I wonder what happened to James Gillaspie Jr. and who the following Thomas and Hugh are?. Thomas & Hugh Gillespie held land near the mouth of Stuart Creek on the Cowpasture. William Gillespy near "the Forks" of the Cowpasture. The 1782 Personal Property Tax for the Cowpasture lists Samuel, Thomas and John Gillespie.. The 1785 will of Thomas names wife Eleanor and children: John, Thomas, Jacob, Samuel, James, William, Mary Donally, Hannah Jones, Jane, Eleanor and Ann. The Bath Co. 1791 list of Samuel Vance has Jacob, Samuel, Wm and John on it. The early Gillespies in Greenbrier were Thomas and Hugh. No James. Sue Liedtke . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Van Hout" <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Info on #332094 >I found information about a James Gillespie in Chalkley's Chronicles. Was > this the James Gillespie of the Bible record? > > > Page 263.--5th September, 1768. James Gilaspey's will, farmer--To > wife Jennet; to son John, plantation John now lives on; to son James, > plantation James now lives on; to son William, plantation William now > lives > on, but if William should die before his present wife, then to William's > children; to brother John's children, if they should come for it (they are > in Ireland); to 5 children, viz: John, James, William, Agness and > Elizabeth > Executors, sons John, James, William Gilaspy and Edward Hall. > Teste: Elenor Hall, Sarah Hall, Ben. Stewart. Proved, 20th October, > 1769, by Elenor Hall and Benj. Stewart. Edward Hall and Wm. Gillespey > qualify, with Ben. Stewart and John Hamilton. > > Page 268.--21st November, 1769. Appraisement recorded of James > Gillespie's estate, by John Ramsey, John Black, John Davidson, Jr. > > ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/augusta/court/3court11.txt > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sue Liedtke > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:51 PM > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Subject: [KINCAID] Info on #332094 > > I have now placed #332094's results in the A1a subgroup on the FTDNA > chart. > When I send a new chart to Grant in mid May, he will appear in the Fayette > section. His 1-37 marker results are straight Group A Apparent Ancestral > Value. He is believed to descend from Thomas b c1742 d 1817 Grbr Co. VA m > c1760 Hannah Tincher thru their son Samuel m 1785 Mary Tinche thru > Samuel's > son William m 1810 Jinnet (Jane/Virginia) Kincaid (dau of John/Elizabeth > Gillespie Kincaid). > > While we have quite a few participants believing descent from Samuel, they > all descend through Thomas/Polly Davis. Attempts to vet Thomas/Polly to > Samuel of the 3 Wives (Mary Tincher/Huldah Osborne/Diana Ewing) has met > with > opposition. Since William and wife Jane are listed on the 16th June 1849 > deed from Samuel's heirs to John Guinn, it is hoped the vetting post the > researcher intends to create later this year will have a better reception. > She hopes to address previous objections with additional clarity.. > > Meanwhile some documentation in support of the claim. > > Grbr Marriage bond: Kincaid, William and Kincaid, Jannet. Bond dated 17 > Nov > 1810 by William Kincaid & Thomas Kincaid. Permission slip from John > Kincaid > for Jinnet to marry. testemony by Thomas Kincaid, Francis Kincaid. > Testemony > that William is over 21 by Thomas Kincaid. > > Gillespie Bible > Inscription: "James Galaspe Jr. his Book, July 20, 1760 Cow Pasture > Augusta, > God grant Blesings to thes person in Vir, Elisabeth Hanna Kincaid John > Kincaid. Selected entries: > Elizabeth Gillisapy was born May 31st 1760 > 1829 > 1760 > 69. > John Kincaid was Born March the 10 day on Tusday 1761 > John A Kincaid was Born the 20 January on this day 1820 Son of William > Kincaid and Jane > [partipant is descendent of John A Kincaid] > > 1850 Fayette Co. Dist 14 census > HH 66 Kincaid William 63, Jane 55, Wm B 28, Elizabeth 21, James A 18, > George > C 16, George V 12 > > 1860 Fayetteville census > HH 317 Kincaid John A 40, Sarah 41, Alfred H. 18, Margaret J 14, Nancy E > 13, James H 11, Sarah E. 8, Lewis E 5, Jonathan V 1 Augustus F 1 > [James H ( James W 30 on 1880 census and in researcher's records) was > ancestor of participant] > > A 27th day of April 1850 additon to the 1849 deed of heirs says that > William > Kincaid & Jane his wife along with the other Fayette Co heirs acknowledged > to Charles Hughart & William Guinn that they signed the deed. Each heir > sold > 1/14th of the property left by Samuel at his death. > > On 5 Aug 1847 William Kincaid of Fayette Co. alone executed a deed for the > same land (1/14th part) "tract on which Samuel Sr.did formally live and on > which Diana Kincaid now resides." Samuel Kincaid (also on 1849 deed) > executed a deed with same wording to John Guinn on Sep 1, 1847 > __________________________ > Researcher will be looking for additional documentation for link from > Samuel > to Thomas/Hannah, however, a GPS proof may be all that is possible. > > Marriage Bonds > Kincaid, Samuel and Tincher, Mary. Bonds dated 17th day of June 1785 > signed > by Samuel Kincaid and Daniel Harra. No permission slips. > Kincaid, Samuel and Osburn, Huldah. Bonds dated 13th day of March 1802 > posted by Samuel Kincaid and John Butler > Samuel Kincaid and Diana Ewing were married 1828 in Monroe Co. VA > [note: William Kincaid b c1787. Danial Hurrah m Elizabeth Kincaid, dau of > Thomas/Hannah]] > > Deeds > 24 April 1792 Thomas Kincaid and wife Hannah 207a for 5 sh to Samuel > Kincaid > on Muddy Ck part of survey to David McDowell adj. Griffits, John Kincaid. > 12/4/1816 Samuel Kincaid and Huldy his wife to Thomas Bennett, 12a on > Muddy > adj. John Butler > 12/4/1816 Samuel Kincaid and Huldy his wife to John Butler, 195a on waters > of Muddy being part of a survey of 1000a made for Daniel McDowell adj. > Thomas Bennett > > Circuit Court Case 147. Heirs of Richard F. Tyree pltff vs John Butler, > Thomas & Samuel Kincaid, etc. Suit concerned a possible survey error > affecting the 240a mentioned below. > In testemony John Butler says his 1st wife was sister of Robert Harrah. > [Rbt > was son of Charles m Margaret Kincaid, dau of Thomas/Hannah. John Butler m > Elizabeth Harrah 1802] > Testemony by Samuel Kincaid in response to Butler's questioning shows that > John Butler traded 240a [1811 grant 240a to Butler on Ephraim's Creek] to > Samuel who traded it to Tyree for the land in the 1849 deed of heirs. > [Deed > from Butler to Sam not yet found] > Testemony by Thomas Kincaid, son of Sam, indicates that if Tyree were to > gain the suit, he would expect to get part of the Muddy Creek land. > > Sue Liedtke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Results are in for the 38-67 markers of #1261's upgrade to 111 markers. He matches the Group A AAV exactly on these markers. On the 1-37 markers he has 2 variations, one of which is isolated by #117939's results. The other, a 40 at marker 35 (CDYb), appears in both results. #1267 and #117939 are vetted to John Kincaid b c1807 Greenbrier Co VA d prior 1840 m 1830-2 Cina Vance. Their common ancestor Simon, the only son of John/Cina, is definitly part of the Fayette Co. community, however, definative proof tying him to Thomas/Hannah Tincher of Greenbrier Co. has not been found. There is a possability that John/Cina was the son of Thomas/Hannah's youngest son William m 18 March 1802 Grbr Co. Mary Ann Tincher. Sue Liedtke

Results for #338919's order to 37 markers are starting to be returned. The 1-12 marker panel results match the Group A Apparent Ancestor Values exactly. Results for this panel can be deceptive so my putting him into that Group may change when additional results are returned. I have not received ancestral information at this time. When his results have all been returned, I will send an updated chart to Grant for posting to www.kincaiddna.org If participants have not already done so (several have), please take a look at the chart currently at the website to see if your e-mail address and ancestral information is up to date. If there is a change please e-mail me at seleaml@actionnet.net Be sure to include your kit number and Group-set in the e-mail so I can quickly find the correct line to update. Sue Liedtke

Looks like another Kincaid for your Group A-3 cluster. Has same values as 1259 et al. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Sue Liedtke Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 11:56 AM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: [KINCAID] Results for #338919 Results for #338919's order to 37 markers are starting to be returned. The 1-12 marker panel results match the Group A Apparent Ancestor Values exactly. Results for this panel can be deceptive so my putting him into that Group may change when additional results are returned. I have not received ancestral information at this time. When his results have all been returned, I will send an updated chart to Grant for posting to www.kincaiddna.org If participants have not already done so (several have), please take a look at the chart currently at the website to see if your e-mail address and ancestral information is up to date. If there is a change please e-mail me at seleaml@actionnet.net Be sure to include your kit number and Group-set in the e-mail so I can quickly find the correct line to update. Sue Liedtke For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message