Below is a story about a very successful Texas rancher, T A Kincaid and son T A Kincaid, Jr. T A's parents were natives of Illinois. I never met T A Sr but did meet T A, Jr in Fort Worth, TX when he was President of the Texas & Southwest Cattle Growers Assn and I was there representing Pfizer's Animal Health Division. I visited with him by phone several times afterwards but we could not establish a connection. The last time I called him was after I discovered his father was born in Bastrop County at the same time my ancestors were there but he was very ill and could not talk. I also called on T A sr's oldest son Bert who had a cattle feedlot in Fort Stockton, TX. When the below story came out I finally knew who T A's parents were and where they were from. I don't know why the writer did not include T A Jr's leadership of the Cattle Growers ASSN along with the Sheep and Goat Raiser's ASSN. Another very large Kincaid ranch (should say ranches as there were several) West of San Antonio is located around Uvalde by Ancestors of my cousin Eugene Davis Kincaid, III who has written 3 books on Kincaids and contributes to the Kincaid List occasionally. Perhaps Eugene will fill us in on how the Kincaid ranches came into being. Eugene is my 3rd gen cousin. My GGF William Moore Kincaid' brother was David Greer Kincaid, Jr whose descendants put together the Kincaid ranches. For you golfers, if you ever play the Universal City Golf Course NE of San Antonio, be sure to look at the Texas Historical Marker near # 6 which tells about the Kincaid Cemetery was located. I was fortunate to have been to the Kincaid Cemetery a couple of times before it was bulldozed for the development. David Greer Kincaid Jr and his wife and daughter were buried there and had really large tombstones tastefully done. Maybe Eugene knows about the Frank T Kincaid ranch. Interesting story below about T A Kincaid! HOMESTEAD: Kincaid roots run deep in ranch lands Family's stake in West Texas sheep dates to 1902 By Jerry Lackey Saturday, February 4, 2012 SAN ANGELO, Texas — Thomas Albert "T.A." Kincaid swapped his herd of cattle he was running on South Concho River-leased land near San Angelo for 630 head of Rambouillet sheep and migrated to Crockett County in 1902. "Those were the days of open range, and cattlemen were not happy with sheep moving into their territory," said granddaughter Rosalie Richardson. "But my grandfather faced challenges from an early age. When he was 15, he went to the pasture of the family's farm (200 acres near Elgin in Bastrop County) to bring in the milk cows and just kept walking. That was when he first discovered West Texas." Kincaid was born Aug. 30, 1868, in Bastrop County to Mary Ann and George J. Kincaid, natives of Illinois. At age 20, five years after he walked away, Kincaid went back to Bastrop County to visit his parents. "He brought the cows home and walked into the house," said Rosalie, recalling the story passed down through the generations. "His father didn't ask him where he had been for five years," she said. "He just told him to go see his mother, who was ill." When Kincaid arrived in San Angelo in 1884, he had $3 in his pocket. His first job was building a barbed wire fence for $1 per day and board. Other jobs followed until he met and married Ada R. Drennan (born Jan. 17, 1871) on June 27, 1888. Ada's parents were Mary E. and John Drennan, a pioneer rancher who later served as a jailer and deputy sheriff of Tom Green County. The couple had 11 children: J. Bert Kincaid, Irene Kincaid Lynn, T.A. Kincaid Jr., E.D. "Bud" Kincaid, Leona Kincaid Brooks, Myrtle Kincaid Childress, Ada Lenore Kincaid Pierce, Harry Kincaid, Edna Kincaid Harvick, Zaidee Kincaid Morrison and Mary Kincaid Friend. After the Kincaids started ranching in Crockett County, they gradually built up their sheep flock and ranch holdings. By the late 1920s, they had more than 46,000 acres and were running 30,000 head of sheep. The wool clips were in excess of 100,000 pounds yearly. Eventually they had accumulated about 100,000 acres. T.A. Kincaid was elected the seventh president of the Texas Sheep & Goat Raisers' Association in 1924. He served 11 years, longer than anyone else before or since. His son T.A. Kincaid Jr. was the 30th TS&GRA president, serving from 1956 to 1958, and his great-grandson Pierce Miller was president from 1988 to 1989. When T.A. Kincaid Sr. died Aug. 4, 1953, at age 84, there were 20 grandchildren and 26 great-grandchildren. T.A. Kincaid Jr. met his future wife, Euleeone McDonald, on a blind date while attending Texas A&M College. They were married Nov. 28, 1928. They had one son, Thomas Lee Kincaid. Following their marriage, the couple ranched in Ozona and McCamey. Their ranch home was started from a small oil field house, which they bought for $100, plus $50 to move it from between Rankin and McCamey to the ranch near Ozona. In 1935 they paid $150 to have it moved to its final location on the Crockett County ranch near the Devil's River. T.A. Jr. operated about 20,000 acres, part of the land he inherited from his father, 40 miles southwest of Ozona. In normal times, he ran from 5,000 to 5,500 sheep and half that many goats. When the 1950s drought came along, he downsized to 2,600 sheep and 1,800 goats. The sheep included 300 registered Rambouillet ewes, which produced bucks for use in his commercial flock. T.A. Sr. and T.A. Jr. used the T Half H brand. According to the May 5, 1957, San Angelo Standard-Times, T.A. Jr.'s years as TS&GRA president focused on the bracero labor problems that took him to Washington, D.C., for hearings. He also helped establish the Texas Emergency Drought Committee in 1956. In September 1915, Ade Lenore Kincaid married Victor I. Pierce. They had two children: Vicky Pierce Miller and Miles Pierce. Vicky and Eugene "Jake" Miller had three children: Pierce, Jay (who died in a plane crash) and Robilen Lenore. Pierce married Betty Baggett, daughter of Jack and Billie Gene Linthicum Baggett. Pierce and Betty had two children: Camille Pierce Yale, of Austin, and Rhett (who died in a car crash in May 1991 while a student at the University of Texas). Mary Kincaid married W.E. Friend Jr. They had two children, Carol Friend Whitehead and Rosalie Friend Richardson. Rosaline Friend and Glen Clay Richardson were married Jan. 5, 1954. They had twin sons, Wade Clay and Wesley Glen. -----Original Message----- From: Courtney Kahler Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 7:33 PM To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KINCAID] How about these Kincaids? Found the name of the ranch I think you're referring to. Frank T Kincaid Ranch Ltd 8822 Pineridge Rd San Antonio, TX 78217 (210) 824-4447 Courtney Kahler www.chainedheartjewelry.com ________________________________ From: Larry Kincaid <larryk34@gmail.com> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] How about these Kincaids? It must have been Houston rather than San Antonio. I'm pretty sure, though that there's a Kincaid ranch outside of San Antonio, however, that was established by one of these Kincaid brothers. Some of our members from Texas must know about this. On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 9:17 PM, Claire KinKaid <clairek3@charter.net>wrote: > http://www.kinkaid.org/page.cfm?p=10 Hopefully this link will work. > I've tried several times to make a connection between Margaret Kinkaid's > husband and my husband, Charles' family because my husband's > grandparents, James Albert KinKaid and Ida May Bunch KinKaid moved to > Houston about 1893-4. Houston was not all that large at that time and I > had wondered if they had moved there to be closer to a relative. I > can't think of Margaret Kinkaid's husband's name at the moment. I > believe that somewhere in my notes it appears that he was a salesman. > > Claire KinKaid > Charles KinKaid #1494 > 6/28/1932-1/02/2012 > > > > On 4/21/2014 6:41 PM, Don W Kincaid wrote: > > I am not aware of a Kincaid College in Texas. There is a Kinkaid School > in > > Houston which goes from pre kindergarden thru 12th grade. Wikipedia has > this > > to say: > > > > The Kinkaid School is a PK-12 non-sectarian school in Piney Point > Village, > > Texas, United States in Greater Houston. > > > > The Kinkaid School is the oldest independent coeducational school in > Greater > > Houston. The student body is divided into the Lower School (PreK - 4th > > Grade), the Middle School (5th grade - 8th grade) and the Upper School > (9th > > grade - 12th grade). The school motto is: "Lux per Scientiam" meaning, > > "Light through Knowledge." The School colors are purple and gold, and > > the > > school mascot is the falcon. > > > > The current headmaster is Andrew D. Martire who succeeded Donald C. > North on > > July 1, 2013. The current chairman of the Board of Trustees is Walter G. > > Mayfield. > > > > A feature of Kinkaid's Upper School is its Interim Term, which provides > > three weeks in January for teacher-designed and student-selected > curricula. > > Teachers at the School provide classes that they would otherwise not be > able > > to teach as part of the normal semester, including military histories of > the > > Civil War and World War II, introductory courses in digital programming > and > > engineering, courses in photography and art history, and, famously, a > course > > in Disney films. Students may also go on international trips sponsored > > by > > the school, such as tours of China, Italy and Greece; homestays in > > Mexico > > and France are also possibilities. Finally, the School provides > connections > > with companies throughout the greater Houston area and, if the students > > prefer, throughout the world, in which its senior students may find > > internships. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Larry Kincaid > > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 4:10 PM > > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] How about these Kincaids? > > > > According to my brother, who lives in San Antonio, there is a well know > > story in Texas about the 4 Kincaid brothers who came from Scotland and > > settled in Texas. Could have been the US in general, but there was even > a > > college there named after Kincaid if my memory serves me right. > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Don W Kincaid <donwkincaid@cox.net> > wrote: > > > >> Our ranch was 100 miles West of Fort Worth where the original Kincaid's > >> was > >> located. I became aware of Kincaid's when I heard the crew of an > American > >> Airlines plane in Dallas talking about renting a car and driving to > >> Kincaid's in Fort Worth, about 30 miles. I ate there at the first > >> opportunity and it was very good as it was several other times. Later > when > >> dna came into play I tried to locate Charles or his kin but was not > >> able > >> to > >> get anyone interested to do the dna test. Hopefully someone will find > one > >> and if their line is not represented in the Kincaid dna project, they > will > >> do a Y 37 test. > >> > >> Don > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Courtney Kahler > >> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 11:13 AM > >> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: [KINCAID] How about these Kincaids? > >> > >> Anyone know what line of Kincaids these folks are? There are a chain > >> of > >> burger places here called Kincaid's. The original was a grocer and > >> soda > >> shop I believe, and was a Charles Kincaid. No relation to my Kinkeads > as > >> I > >> don't know of any ties here to Texas in our line. The food is great by > >> the > >> way! =-D > >> > >> http://kincaidshamburgers.com/ > >> > >> > >> > >> Courtney Kahler > >> > >> > >> www.chainedheartjewelry.com > >> > >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA > >> project, > >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > >> > >> www.kincaiddna.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA > >> project, > >> including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > >> > >> www.kincaiddna.org > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, > including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: > > www.kincaiddna.org > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- dddddddd For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message For complete information about the Kincaid of all spellings DNA project, including a chart, lineages, and how to participate, go to: www.kincaiddna.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message