----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Norman Kincaide <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:58:56 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] A Sketch of the Kinkade Family by John Henry Kinkade Your description is probably a more true description of what really happened.  They might have assumed that their ancestor was a lord if he leased or owned land.  Many in this family died young and so there is a generational gap in the information passed from father to son.  But I still can't pin this line on any of the other known Pennsylvania lineages.  I commend these gentlemen for trying to get their own lineage correct; though they were working at a considerable disadvantage with no documentation prior to 1800.  I think there is a clue somewhere in this information.  Or this family could be a later arrival to America.  Thanks, Peter. Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:42:57 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] A Sketch of the Kinkade Family by John Henry Kinkade [Norman] The interesting point that is repeated by three people: John Thompson Kinkade, John Henry Kinkade and Ruhamah McCarrell, that James Kinkade’s (of Brooke County, VA) father, John Kinkade came from Ireland and that his father Lord John Kinkade had an estate near Belfast, in County Down and that the estate lapsed back to the crown. I’m not saying that this is true. But I find it significant that three people in the family repeat this story. I can credit the family history going forward from Brooke County, VA at the death of James Kinkade in 1812. -- There were Kincaids in the Belfast area who were quite well to do.  However, there is no indication of any Kincaid there being designated Lord.  At best they would have been Gentlemen or Esquires.  The note of the lands lapsing back to the Crown does not really fit with the laws of land rights there at that time.  A likely account of this happening is that they went bankrupt and lands were auctioned by the courts.  Most land was actually held by lease (some for fixed terms, some for the lives of individuals, some renewable in perpetuity.  I could also see a situation where the patriarch became straddled in debt, assigned the lands to creditors for a certain period (the returns of the land would go towards paying off the debt), and left for America.  The family could have been told that the land would revert to them.  Aside from bakruptcy sale, it is possible that by the time the children got around to looking into their interest, the original terms of the lease had expired and the lands reverted to the original holder. Peter To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message