Peter, You are right in cautioning folks not to be too quick to believe, although it is interesting to have people in different lines say the same thing about their ancestor. My daughter-in-law is descended from one Jehiel Stewart in NY who fought in the American Revolution. His wife was Rachel Williams. The entire family of many lines all over the place stated that she was a descendant of Roger Williams of Rhode Island fame. It's even in the DAR records from the 1920's when they weren't so picky about documentation. And there is a DAR marker by her grave stating that she is descended from Roger Williams from Rhode Island. To make a long story short, half that family won't believe me, but I have proven she is not descended from Roger Williams. Her immigrant ancestor was a Charles Williams from Wales. Since Roger Williams was also from Wales, it is possible that Rachel said that she is related to Roger Williams which later was interpreted to mean "descended from" Roger. Roger Williams and Charles Williams could very well have been related by being cousins or something. There was even a book published by a Roger Williams researcher on the first five U.S. generations which included Rachel as a descendent. I have been in touch with the Roger Williams Family Association in Rhode Island and they agree with me that Rachel was not a descendent of Roger - the myth keeps getting perpetuated though. Anyone with half a brain could have analyzed the dates and known something was wrong. <grin> Ruth In a message dated 9/20/2008 12:51:18 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, 7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca writes: [Norman] The interesting point that is repeated by three people: John Thompson Kinkade, John Henry Kinkade and Ruhamah McCarrell, that James Kinkade’s (of Brooke County, VA) father, John Kinkade came from Ireland and that his father Lord John Kinkade had an estate near Belfast, in County Down and that the estate lapsed back to the crown. I’m not saying that this is true. But I find it significant that three people in the family repeat this story. I can credit the family history going forward from Brooke County, VA at the death of James Kinkade in 1812. -- There were Kincaids in the Belfast area who were quite well to do. However, there is no indication of any Kincaid there being designated Lord. At best they would have been Gentlemen or Esquires. The note of the lands lapsing back to the Crown does not really fit with the laws of land rights there at that time. A likely account of this happening is that they went bankrupt and lands were auctioned by the courts. Most land was actually held by lease (some for fixed terms, some for the lives of individuals, some renewable in perpetuity. I could also see a situation where the patriarch became straddled in debt, assigned the lands to creditors for a certain period (the returns of the land would go towards paying off the debt), and left for America. The family could have been told that the land would revert to them. Aside from bakruptcy sale, it is possible that by the time the children got around to looking into their interest, the original terms of the lease had expired and the lands reverted to the original holder. Peter To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid %20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@roo tsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)