I haven't excluded that John in my investigation.  I just have not been able to find a clear connection to him. I have a notion that James Kinkead of Brooke County, VA is connected to the John Kinkade of Yohogania County, later of Washington County, and Allegheny County, PA, died 1833, and who I believe is the brother of Samuel Kinkead who died in 1779.  The above John Kinkead had at least two daughters: Elizabeth (Kinkead) Duncan, born 1780, and Hannah (Kinkead) Torrence, born 1782.  So did the father of James Kinkead of Brooke County, VA: Hannah married Daniel Johnson and Elizabeth married David Davis according to the record provided by John Henry Kinkade and John Thompson Kinkade.  These families are in proximity in Washington County and Allegheny County, PA.  But there is no clear connection. Norm Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Dennis House <dhouse95@earthlink.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 5:08:07 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fw: A Sketch of the Kinkade Family by John Henry Kinkade <<But I still can't pin this line on any of the other known Pennsylvania lineages.>> Remember that this is the family branch that gets tangled in the VA/PA border dispute of the 1770s and 1780s, the "lost" county of Yohogania, which comprised much of Westmoreland and Washington Co Pa., and also was once part of Augusta Co. Va. There was a John Kinkade in Yohogania County in that disputed time period. I don't think you should restrict your investigation to just Pa. lineages. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 3:22 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Fw: A Sketch of the Kinkade Family by John Henry Kinkade > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Norman Kincaide <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> > To: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> > Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:58:56 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] A Sketch of the Kinkade Family by John Henry > Kinkade > > Your description is probably a more true description of what really > happened. They might have assumed that their ancestor was a lord if he > leased or owned land. Many in this family died young and so there is a > generational gap in the information passed from father to son. But I still > can't pin this line on any of the other known Pennsylvania lineages. I > commend these gentlemen for trying to get their own lineage correct; > though they were working at a considerable disadvantage with no > documentation prior to 1800. I think there is a clue somewhere in this > information. Or this family could be a later arrival to America. Thanks, > Peter. > > Sincerely > Norman Kincaide > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:42:57 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] A Sketch of the Kinkade Family by John Henry > Kinkade > > [Norman] The interesting point that is repeated by three people: John > Thompson Kinkade, John Henry Kinkade and Ruhamah McCarrell, that James > Kinkade’s (of Brooke County, VA) father, John Kinkade came from Ireland > and that his father Lord John Kinkade had an estate near Belfast, in > County Down and that the estate lapsed back to the crown. I’m not saying > that this is true. But I find it significant that three people in the > family repeat this story. I can credit the family history going forward > from Brooke County, VA at the death of James Kinkade in 1812. > > -- > > There were Kincaids in the Belfast area who were quite well > to do. However, there is no indication of any Kincaid there > being designated Lord. At best they would have been > Gentlemen or Esquires. The note of the lands lapsing > back to the Crown does not really fit with the laws of land > rights there at that time. A likely account of this happening > is that they went bankrupt and lands were auctioned by the > courts. Most land was actually held by lease (some for fixed > terms, some for the lives of individuals, some renewable in > perpetuity. I could also see a situation where the patriarch > became straddled in debt, assigned the lands to creditors for > a certain period (the returns of the land would go towards > paying off the debt), and left for America. The family could > have been told that the land would revert to them. Aside from > bakruptcy sale, it is possible that by the time the children > got around to looking into their interest, the original terms of the > lease had expired and the lands reverted to the original holder. > > Peter > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message