Barbara, thank you. This helps a great deal not only in the quest for Mathew's father but for others who have an Indiana family who might tie in. This lets Mathew out as a son of Thomas as he was born 1807/8 so would have been an heir to Elizabeth. Eliminating a possibility is valuable. The next step then in discovering his father would be to find out who Francis's children were which may prove more difficult. >From the "Illustrated history of Lane County, Oregon" published in 1884. This was published during the lifetime of Thomas's son Harrison Kincaid who was founder and editor of the Oregon State Journal newspaper. The level of detail indicates that someone with a great deal of family knowledge was the informant. "Thomas of Oregon b July 27, 1800.... was the second son of Francis and Nancy Kincaid, who had 7 sons and five girls...His mother's maiden name was Murdock......January 9 1831 Thomas Kincaid married Miss Nancy Chodrick...At the age of 17 years Thomas Kincaid emigrated with his parents from Greenbrier Co. VA in a canoe and flat boat down the Great Kanawha and Ohio Rivers in the year 1817 to Indiana and settled eighteen miles northeast of Indianapolis on Fall Creek just below the mouth of Lick's Creek...He continued to reside in that neighborhood near where Madison, Hamilton and Hancock counties corner...In the fall of 1844 Thomas and Nancy...left their old home in Madison Co. Ind...at St Louis (MO) they were induced by the glowing description of a relative to go to Iowa Territory...They went to Wapello Co. Iowa and remained during winter and part of the next summer about three miles north of Des Moines River near Iowaville....Not liking the cold winter they started in the summer of 1845 for Texas (after traveling through Arkansas and Kentucky they ended back in Indiana in 1846)...In 1852 Thomas and Nancy started for the Oregon Territory but stopped for one year in Benton Co. Indiana." Wapello Co. Iowa is slightly north of but between Wayne Co. and Van Buran Co. It is closer to Van Buran. Any of the counties mentioned could be where siblings may be found though as a double cousin to the children of Thomas/Elizabeth Murdock, one of them might be why he wintered in a particular place. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Allen" <bhallen@sbcglobal.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Vetting Post for #129770 to Mathew Kincade > Sue, > I do have the estate papers for Elizabeth Murdock Kincaid, widow of Thomas > Kincaid (b.abt. 1775 VA- d.abt.1844 IN). Here is the court order from > Boone Co, IN May term 1854. > "In the matter of the estate of Elizabeth Kincade, dec'd. Distribution to > heirs. > Comes now said Andrew Kincade and on proof to the court orally made, it is > ordered that the money and notes found to be due is ordered to be > distributed and paid to the following persons, heirs to said estate in > equal proportions, viz James Kincade, Elizabeth Frazier, Thomas Kincade, > John Kincade, Margaret Vangorder, Andrew Kincade, Sarah Whitecotton and > William Kincade and upon calculation it is found that after paying > expenses accrued since last term, there is $65.80 for distribution whiuch > will pay to each of said heirs, and the clerk of this court is ordered to > make distribution accordingly by Oct. 11th, 1855. > Rec'd of Kise Clerk on an order from Madison G. Walker, guardian of the > minor heirs of Thomas Kincade decd. $8.22 his share above my distributive > share in above estate. signed James Kincaid, Wm. B. Kincaid, May 2, 1854, > S.C. Doughtery, Judge." > Note: The punctuation from the handwritten copy may be faulty, but I think > one can get the idea of the heirs of Elizabeth Kincaid (and notice that > Kincaid is not always spelled the same in this document) . The son, > Thomas, died in Feb 1846 in Madison Co, IN. His sons were James and > Madison. The $8.22 distribution would come out right for 8 children of > Elizabeth. I have not found any Matthew Kincaid in the lineage of Thomas > and Elizabeth Murcock Kincaid in Madison Co, IN or Boone Co., IN. > Elizabeth's Bill of Sale for her estate lists buyers, and most of them are > children and grandchildren--known names in the family, but there is no > Matthew. > > I really don't know about the children of Francis and Nancy Murdock > Kincaid. I've seen the names Rev. Nathaniel Francis Kincaid and Thomas > Kincaid who died in Oregon. But there are probably others. > > I hope this helps in some way. > Barbara Allen > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:45:24 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Vetting Post for #129770 to Mathew Kincade > > Barbara, > Thank you. Do you have copies of her estate papers or know who the heirs > are? We do not have a listing of the children of Thomas/Elizabeth. This > would help tremendously in sorting out Indiana families. In particularly I > am wondering whether Mathew/Elizabeth Kincaid from the 1850-1860 Wayne Co. > IA census belonged to her. There are only 2 counties between Wayne and > VanBuren. > > Another possibility for his father is Francis/Nancy Murdock. I believe > when > Francis's son Thomas was wondering about he mentioned going to Iowa to see > relatives. > > Sue Liedtke > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Allen" <bhallen@sbcglobal.net> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 11:34 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Vetting Post for #129770 to Mathew Kincade >> >> Sue wrote: >> "It would be very interesting to know where the date and place of death >> for >> Elizabeth Murdock came from. >> Sue Liedtke" >> >> Sue, I assume you are referring to this message: >>> "Looking for Elizabeth MURDOCH b.abt 1774 Augusta, Va., Elizabeth >>> MURDOCH >>> married Thomas KINCAID in May 1798 Greenbrier Co, VA, USA., Elizabeth >>> MURDOCH died 15 May 1851 Van Buren, IA, USA >> >> I think I can help you with this one. After the death of Thomas Kincaid >> in >> Madison County, IN, his wife,Elizabeth Murdoch Kincaid, and some of her >> children moved to Boone County, IN. Elizabeth Murdoch Kincaid's estate >> was >> settled at Boone County, IN although she was visiting (or living) with >> her >> daughter, Elizabeth Frazer, in Van Buren County, IA, when she died. Her >> estate papers mention where she died and her heirs, etc. >> >> Barbara Allen > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message