MY FISHING MAY CATCH SOMETHING Brian 5803 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don W. Kincaid" <donwkincaid@cox.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing > Confirming Sue's message, FTDNA shows Brian # 5803 has an 87.4% > probability of a common ancestor with Bill, #93625, a 72.29% with Charles > David Kincaid #80852, 65.86% with Chas-Tamara #3350 and 65.86% with > Treasa's Kin # 4323. I was surprised to see the closeness with 80852 since > he is in Group A , set 1a but in looking at Sue's chart we see they both > have the same results of 38 and 40 at markers 34 & 35. > > Even more interesting to me personally is that 80852 believes descent from > William Moore Kincaid, son of John Kincaid, Jr, grandson of Captain John > Kincaid, great grandson of Joseph Kinkead who died 1774 in Albemarle > Co.,VA and my most distant ancestor and yet 80852 does not have the result > of 12 on marker 26 like the others of us in A 1b who descend from Joseph. > To further confuse matters 83449 believes descent from John Kincaid, Jr > like 80852. If both their lineage information is correct which it appears > to be, what happened dna wise??? Based on the fact that all the other > descendants of Joseph Kinkead show the 12 on marker 26 and 80852 does not, > did 80852's dna mutate back to the AAV norm of an 11 results on marker 26 > downstream from John Jr.? > > Don > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sue Liedtke > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 8:55 AM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing > > > Norman, 5803 is genetically closest to 93625. On 37 markers they differ > only > at marker 35 where 5803 has a 40 instead of the AAV 39. They both have a > 38 > at marker 34 where the AAV is 37. 15550 has the AAV of 17 at marker 30 > while > 5803 and 93625 have the 18 indicative of the A-2b subset. I consider this > last mutation to be significant and to have occured at least one > generation > prior to 1739 when James/Hannah of Rowan Co. NC was born (this line is > unvetted). 15550 also has a 38 at marker 35 meaning his line dropped a > repetition at this marker while 5803's line gained one. I can pretty much > guarantee that 5803 and 93625 are related more closely to each other than > to > any other participant in the project. > > Sue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 5:52 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing > > > Dear Brian, thanks for posting the information about your William Kinkead > being a weaver. This is significant because James Kinkead of West > Pennsborough Township, later became Dickinson Township, Cumberland > County, > PA, was a weaver. Your William could have apprenticed with James Kinkead > of > West Pennsborough. > For me, I accept John Kincaid's Revolutionary War pension application as > conclusive that he is the son of John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle and > that > sample 93625 is representative of John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle's > line > along with his ownership of the land bequeathed to him by his father. I > believe your William is from one of these two families: James Kinkead of > West Pennsborough/ Dickinson Township or John Kinkead, Merchant of > Carlisle. > I would need clarification of which line he is closer to genetically: > sample > 15550 or 93625. > > Sincerely > Norman Kincaide > > Cumberland County, PA > > 1800 James Kinkead, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 > male over 45, 1 male 26-45, 2 males 10-16, 1 female over 45, 1 female > 16-25. > USFC, 108:04. > 1800 John Kincade, [4164] Toboyne Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male > over 45, 1 male 16-26, 1 male 10-16, 1 female over 45, 3 females 10-16, 2 > females to 10. > 1800 John Kinkead, [93625] Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male 26-45, > 1 > male 16-26, 1 female 26-45, 1 female 10-16, 3 females to 10. USFC, 95:04. > > 1807 John Kincaid, [93625] Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, listed in > 1807 > Septennial Census as a tavernkeeper. Cumberland County Historical > Society, > Carlisle, PA > 1807 John Kinkead, [15550] farmer, Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, > PA, listed in 1807 Septennial Census. Cumberland County Historical > Society, > Carlisle, PA > 1807 James Kinkead, [15550] weaver, Dickinson Township, Cumberland > County, > PA, listed in 1807 Septennial Census. Cumberland County Historical > Society, > Carlisle, PA > 1807 James Kinkead, Jr., [15550] laborer, Dickinson Township, Cumberland > County, PA listed in 1807 Septennial Census. Cumberland County Historical > Society, Carlisle, PA > > Cumberland County, PA > 1810 James Kinkede, Sr., [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, > PA, > 1 male over 45, > 1 male under 10, 2 males 16-26, 1 female over 45, 1 female 16-26. USFC, > p. > 024. > 1810 James Kinkede, Jr., [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, > PA, > 1 male 16-26, 1 female over 45. USFC, p. 024. > 1810 John Kenkede, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 > male > 16-26, 1 male 10-16, 2 males under 10, 1 female 16-26, 1 female 10-16, 1 > female under 10. USFC, p. 024. > 1810 John Kinkede, [93625] Middleton Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 > male > over 45, 1 male 26-45, 1 female 26-45, 1 female 16-25, 2 females 10-16. > USFC, p. 065. > > Cumberland County, PA > 1820 John Kincade, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 > male > over 45, 1 male 16-25, 2 males 10-15, 1 female 26-44, 1 female 10-15. > USFC. > 1820 John Kinkead, [93625] Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, 2 males over > 45, > 1 male 10-15, 1 female over 45, 1 female 16-25. USFC. > 1820 William Kinked, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 2 > males 16-25, 2 males 10-15, 1 female 16-25. USFC. > > Perry County, PA > 1820 William Kinkead, [5803] Rye Township, Perry County, PA, 1 male > 26-45, 1 > male 16-25, 1 male 10-16, 2 males to 10, 1 female 26-45, 1 female to 10. > USFC, p. 337. > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Brian Kincade <briank@sti.net> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2008 6:01:07 PM > Subject: [KINCAID] Fishing > > Norman/Sue/Don: > Still exploring for 5803 William Kinkead parents. In comparing DNA 93625 > to > 5803 in group A set 2b; it shows they match except for marker 34. It > would > be nice to see how they would match at marker 67. How certain is 93625 to > be > the s/o John of Carlisle? > As Norman has indicated he has suspicions that William Kinkead 1785 > possibilty could be a unknown son of Andrew Kinkead 1746, thus a grandson > of > the merchant of Carlisle. > > William Kinkead's tax records indicate he was a weaver in Rye Twp, > Cumberland Co. and Perry Co. from 1820 to his death in 1849. Records also > show that Williams family lived in Rye Twp from 1820 thru 1857 near > Sherman > Creek along which John Kinkead the merchant retaind property. > > I am also searching all the census records for various Kinkead spellings > for > possable birth dates that match Williams 1785; to date no luck in finding > that Andrew 1746 is a match. > Just Fishing??? > 5803 Brian > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To > unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotesin the subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message