Thank you, Sue.  So my sample 4164 is closer to 15550 than 5803 and 93625..  So in a hypthetical my George Kinkead could not be the brother of John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle represented by 93625.  James Kinkead of Rowan Co. NC I believe to be the James Kinkead that is in Lancaster County and Cumberland County, PA from 1759-1767.  Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, September 5, 2008 9:55:50 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing Norman, 5803 is genetically closest to 93625. On 37 markers they differ only at marker 35 where 5803 has a 40 instead of the AAV 39. They both have a 38 at marker 34 where the AAV is 37. 15550 has the AAV of 17 at marker 30 while 5803 and 93625 have the 18 indicative of the A-2b subset. I consider this last mutation to be significant and to have occured at least one generation prior to 1739 when James/Hannah of Rowan Co. NC was born (this line is unvetted). 15550 also has a 38 at marker 35 meaning his line dropped a repetition at this marker while 5803's line gained one. I can pretty much guarantee that 5803 and 93625 are related more closely to each other than to any other participant in the project. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Fishing Dear Brian, thanks for posting the information about your William Kinkead being a weaver. This is significant because James Kinkead of West Pennsborough Township, later became Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, was a weaver. Your William could have apprenticed with James Kinkead of West Pennsborough. For me, I accept John Kincaid's Revolutionary War pension application as conclusive that he is the son of John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle and that sample 93625 is representative of John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle's line along with his ownership of the land bequeathed to him by his father. I believe your William is from one of these two families: James Kinkead of West Pennsborough/ Dickinson Township or John Kinkead, Merchant of Carlisle. I would need clarification of which line he is closer to genetically: sample 15550 or 93625. Sincerely Norman Kincaide Cumberland County, PA 1800 James Kinkead, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male 26-45, 2 males 10-16, 1 female over 45, 1 female 16-25. USFC, 108:04. 1800 John Kincade, [4164] Toboyne Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male 16-26, 1 male 10-16, 1 female over 45, 3 females 10-16, 2 females to 10. 1800 John Kinkead, [93625] Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male 26-45, 1 male 16-26, 1 female 26-45, 1 female 10-16, 3 females to 10. USFC, 95:04. 1807 John Kincaid, [93625] Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, listed in 1807 Septennial Census as a tavernkeeper. Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA 1807 John Kinkead, [15550] farmer, Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, listed in 1807 Septennial Census. Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA 1807 James Kinkead, [15550] weaver, Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, listed in 1807 Septennial Census. Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA 1807 James Kinkead, Jr., [15550] laborer, Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA listed in 1807 Septennial Census. Cumberland County Historical Society, Carlisle, PA Cumberland County, PA 1810 James Kinkede, Sr., [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male under 10, 2 males 16-26, 1 female over 45, 1 female 16-26. USFC, p. 024. 1810 James Kinkede, Jr., [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male 16-26, 1 female over 45. USFC, p. 024. 1810 John Kenkede, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male 16-26, 1 male 10-16, 2 males under 10, 1 female 16-26, 1 female 10-16, 1 female under 10. USFC, p. 024. 1810 John Kinkede, [93625] Middleton Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male 26-45, 1 female 26-45, 1 female 16-25, 2 females 10-16. USFC, p. 065. Cumberland County, PA 1820 John Kincade, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 1 male over 45, 1 male 16-25, 2 males 10-15, 1 female 26-44, 1 female 10-15. USFC. 1820 John Kinkead, [93625] Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, 2 males over 45, 1 male 10-15, 1 female over 45, 1 female 16-25. USFC. 1820 William Kinked, [15550] Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA, 2 males 16-25, 2 males 10-15, 1 female 16-25. USFC. Perry County, PA 1820 William Kinkead, [5803] Rye Township, Perry County, PA, 1 male 26-45, 1 male 16-25, 1 male 10-16, 2 males to 10, 1 female 26-45, 1 female to 10. USFC, p. 337. ----- Original Message ---- From: Brian Kincade <briank@sti.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2008 6:01:07 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Fishing Norman/Sue/Don: Still exploring for 5803 William Kinkead parents. In comparing DNA 93625 to 5803 in group A set 2b; it shows they match except for marker 34. It would be nice to see how they would match at marker 67. How certain is 93625 to be the s/o John of Carlisle? As Norman has indicated he has suspicions that William Kinkead 1785 possibilty could be a unknown son of Andrew Kinkead 1746, thus a grandson of the merchant of Carlisle. William Kinkead's tax records indicate he was a weaver in Rye Twp, Cumberland Co. and Perry Co. from 1820 to his death in 1849. Records also show that Williams family lived in Rye Twp from 1820 thru 1857 near Sherman Creek along which John Kinkead the merchant retaind property. I am also searching all the census records for various Kinkead spellings for possable birth dates that match Williams 1785; to date no luck in finding that Andrew 1746 is a match. Just Fishing??? 5803 Brian To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotesin the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb..com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Returns are starting to appear for #1206's upgrade from 25 to 67 markers. The marker 26-37 results match the Apparent Ancestral Values for Group C-2. The 48-60 marker results match the AAV except at marker 55 (DYS 534) where he has a 16 instead of the AAV 15. The results for the 38-47 panel and the 61-67 panel are not in yet. #1206 claims to Isaiah of Jackson Co. OH b 1812 (probably VA) m 1833 Rachel Gilliland. There appears to be some indication that he may descend from a brother of #49351's vetted ancestor Samuel/Margaret Clark who has not upgraded from 37 to 67 markers. It would be interesting to find out if the mutation at marker 55 occurs in this line also. Sue Liedtke