This is likely James Kincaid, third son of John Kincaid of Kincaid and Elizabeth Danziel. He died in Georgetown, District of Columbia on 10 June 1827. The Lennox of Woodhead papers places him there in 1825. He is recorded as having two sons. There are two sources for the sons names; one is the Lennox of Woodhead papers and the other is a family chart of Heather Veronica Kincaid. The former names the sons as John and George while the latter names them as John and James. Heather states that the son died in New Orleans; James in 1828 and John on 8 May 1833. Until evidence is found support these dates I don't treat them seriously. I certainly would love to learn what happened to these two sons. Best wishes! Peter A. Kincaid Fredericton, NB, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Van Hout To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:56 AM Subject: [KINCAID] James Kincaid and John Murdock of Washington, DC--1820 >From "Sibley Papers: Farmer's History of Detroit and Michigan, Vol. 1, page 490 James Kincaid and John Murdock were the executors named in the will of Robert Monroe. James Kincaid and John Murdock were in the 1820 census of the District of Columbia. "Robert Monroe was in Detroit as early as 1803, when he was fined for keeping a "stove pipe" which at that time was an offence against the fire protection ordinance. He refused to pay his fine, but upon removing the "nuisance" was excused. He was agent of the public stores and attorney to settle the estate of John Francis Hamtramck. In 1805 he wrote Governor Harrison an account of the fire. He left Detroit in 1806, traveling to Washington, D. C., New York City and finally went to Kingston, Jamaica, where he visited a brother, a practicing lawyer, whom he had not seen for twelve years. He again returned to America. He died in Washington, D. C. His will was proved and allowed May 14, 1819. The executors named in the will were James Kincaid and John Murdock. Monroe left two sons, Robert and James, who were in Pennsylvania in 1827." **************************** The above information was found in google books: Governor and Judges Journal: Proceedings of the Land Board of Detroit By Michigan Commission on land titles, Clarence Monroe Burton Published by , 1915 Original from the University of Michigan Digitized Oct 3, 2007 314 pages http://books.google.com/books?id=8FRLAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA202&lpg=PA202&dq=%22James+Kincaid%22+%2B+Mordock&source=web&ots=15oAWl6Vcd&sig=Rv3dHYBgAwl9kujQW9IG9282V_k&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=10&ct=result#PPA202,M1 Barb Van Hout

I did some research on the "John Francis Hamtramck" and found that he was from Canada and he can also be googled under the name "Jean Francois Hamtramck." >From Wikipedia: "Jean François Hamtramck (sometimes called John Francis Hamtramck) (1756 - 1803) was a French-Canadian from Quebec who joined the Continental Army and became a decorated officer in the American Revolutionary War. After the war he continued in the service and, in 1787, he was made commander of Vincennes in the Illinois Country, where he negotiated a peace treaty with local Native American tribes. In Autumn of 1790, Major Hamtramck was ordered to move against Indian villages on the Wabash, Vermilion, and Eel Rivers to create a distraction from the campaign led by General Josiah Harmar. The Hamtramck expedition was comprised of his own garrison, with militia from the local French residents and Kentucky. They found only one empty village, and lacked the supplies to reach more villages with the full force. Hamtramck returned to Vincennes, learning later that a force of 600 warriors from the Wabash tribes had assembled to fight- nearly double his own force. Hamtramck considered the Wabash force evidence that his primary mission had been accomplished.[1] In 1793, Hamtramck was named lieutenant colonel in the Legion of the United States led by General Anthony Wayne to secure the Northwest Territory. Hamtramck was cited for bravery at the Battle of Fallen Timbers in 1794. Hamtramck, now a full colonel, took possession of the British Fort Lernoult and the settlement of Detroit for the United States on July 11, 1796. Fort Lernoult was later renamed Fort Shelby. He remained in Detroit until his death in 1803, living in a house on land that is now Gabriel Richard Park near the present bridge to Belle Isle. He was buried at Saint Anne de Detroit Catholic Church, his body being moved in 1817 to the new Saint Anne's, then, in 1866, to Mount Elliot Cemetery. In 1827, one of the four townships in Wayne County was named for him, a portion of which later became the city of Hamtramck, Michigan." http://en.wikipedia.org:80/wiki/Jean_François_Hamtramck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kincaid and John Murdock of Washington, DC--1820 > This is likely James Kincaid, third son of John Kincaid of > Kincaid and Elizabeth Danziel. He died in Georgetown, > District of Columbia on 10 June 1827. The Lennox of > Woodhead papers places him there in 1825. He is recorded > as having two sons. There are two sources for the sons names; > one is the Lennox of Woodhead papers and the other is a family > chart of Heather Veronica Kincaid. The former names the sons > as John and George while the latter names them as John and > James. Heather states that the son died in New Orleans; James > in 1828 and John on 8 May 1833. Until evidence is found support > these dates I don't treat them seriously. I certainly would love > to learn what happened to these two sons. > > Best wishes! > > Peter A. Kincaid > Fredericton, NB, Canada > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Barbara Van Hout > To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:56 AM > Subject: [KINCAID] James Kincaid and John Murdock of Washington, DC--1820 > > > >From "Sibley Papers: Farmer's History of Detroit and Michigan, Vol. 1, > page 490 > > James Kincaid and John Murdock were the executors named in the will of > Robert Monroe. James Kincaid and John Murdock were in the 1820 census of > the District of Columbia. > > "Robert Monroe was in Detroit as early as 1803, when he was fined for > keeping a "stove pipe" which at that time was an offence against the fire > protection ordinance. He refused to pay his fine, but upon removing the > "nuisance" was excused. He was agent of the public stores and attorney to > settle the estate of John Francis Hamtramck. In 1805 he wrote Governor > Harrison an account of the fire. He left Detroit in 1806, traveling to > Washington, D. C., New York City and finally went to Kingston, Jamaica, > where he visited a brother, a practicing lawyer, whom he had not seen for > twelve years. > > He again returned to America. He died in Washington, D. C. His will was > proved and allowed May 14, 1819. The executors named in the will were > James Kincaid and John Murdock. Monroe left two sons, Robert and James, > who were in Pennsylvania in 1827." > **************************** > > The above information was found in google books: > > Governor and Judges Journal: Proceedings of the Land Board of Detroit > By Michigan Commission on land titles, Clarence Monroe Burton > Published by , 1915 > Original from the University of Michigan > Digitized Oct 3, 2007 > 314 pages > > > > > http://books.google.com/books?id=8FRLAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA202&lpg=PA202&dq=%22James+Kincaid%22+%2B+Mordock&source=web&ots=15oAWl6Vcd&sig=Rv3dHYBgAwl9kujQW9IG9282V_k&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=10&ct=result#PPA202,M1 > > > > Barb Van Hout > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I found some information about John Murdock of Washington, DC. One of the most prominent tobacco export businesses was Forrest, Stoddert and Murdock, which was formed in 1783 in Georgetown, by Uriah Forrest, Benjamin Stoddert, and John Murdock.[3] District of Columbia Probate Records Will Books 1 through 6 1801-1852 and Estate Files 1801-1852, Compiled by Wesley E. Pippenger, Arlington, Virginia, Family Line Publications, Copyright 1996 shows the following will: MURDOCK, JOHN, of Georgetown, D.C. 5 MAR 1816 15 JUL 1820 (footnote 2) To dau. Margaret Murdock, personal and real property; 440 acres in Shenandoah Co., Va., conveyed by deed from William Ellzey and recorded in the general court at Richmond; lot 272 in Bealls's Addition to Georgetown, purchased of Francis Dodge. (In italics) As there may be some question who I mean by my daughter Margaret, I hereby declare that I mean my Child who was born by my late Wife, formerly Ann Corby, on the fourth day of July 1805, and I do hereby acknowledge and declare her to be my daughter (end italics) Wits.: Joseph Jackson; Lemuel Shaw; Richd. R. Waters Book 3, pp 57-58 (68-69); O.S. 827; Box 6 Footnote 2: National Intelligencer, 20 JUN 1820, died 18 JUN in Georgetown After George Washington was elected President, he asked[Benjamin] Stoddert to purchase key parcels of land in the area that would become the nation's capital, before the formal decision to establish the federal city on the banks of the Potomac drove up prices there. Stoddert then transferred the parcels to the government. During the 1790s, he also helped found the Bank of Columbia to handle purchases of land in the District of Columbia for the federal government. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Stoddert Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kincaid and John Murdock of Washington, DC--1820 > This is likely James Kincaid, third son of John Kincaid of > Kincaid and Elizabeth Danziel. He died in Georgetown, > District of Columbia on 10 June 1827. The Lennox of > Woodhead papers places him there in 1825. He is recorded > as having two sons. There are two sources for the sons names; > one is the Lennox of Woodhead papers and the other is a family > chart of Heather Veronica Kincaid. The former names the sons > as John and George while the latter names them as John and > James. Heather states that the son died in New Orleans; James > in 1828 and John on 8 May 1833. Until evidence is found support > these dates I don't treat them seriously. I certainly would love > to learn what happened to these two sons. > > Best wishes! > > Peter A. Kincaid > Fredericton, NB, Canada > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Barbara Van Hout > To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:56 AM > Subject: [KINCAID] James Kincaid and John Murdock of Washington, DC--1820 > > > >From "Sibley Papers: Farmer's History of Detroit and Michigan, Vol. 1, > page 490 > > James Kincaid and John Murdock were the executors named in the will of > Robert Monroe. James Kincaid and John Murdock were in the 1820 census of > the District of Columbia. > > "Robert Monroe was in Detroit as early as 1803, when he was fined for > keeping a "stove pipe" which at that time was an offence against the fire > protection ordinance. He refused to pay his fine, but upon removing the > "nuisance" was excused. He was agent of the public stores and attorney to > settle the estate of John Francis Hamtramck. In 1805 he wrote Governor > Harrison an account of the fire. He left Detroit in 1806, traveling to > Washington, D. C., New York City and finally went to Kingston, Jamaica, > where he visited a brother, a practicing lawyer, whom he had not seen for > twelve years. > > He again returned to America. He died in Washington, D. C. His will was > proved and allowed May 14, 1819. The executors named in the will were > James Kincaid and John Murdock. Monroe left two sons, Robert and James, > who were in Pennsylvania in 1827." > **************************** > > The above information was found in google books: > > Governor and Judges Journal: Proceedings of the Land Board of Detroit > By Michigan Commission on land titles, Clarence Monroe Burton > Published by , 1915 > Original from the University of Michigan > Digitized Oct 3, 2007 > 314 pages > > > > > http://books.google.com/books?id=8FRLAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA202&lpg=PA202&dq=%22James+Kincaid%22+%2B+Mordock&source=web&ots=15oAWl6Vcd&sig=Rv3dHYBgAwl9kujQW9IG9282V_k&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=10&ct=result#PPA202,M1 > > > > Barb Van Hout > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I forgot to note that thhe 1820 Federal Census for the District of Columbia, Washington, Georgetown has: James Kincaid, a. 45+, 2 males 18-26; 1 female 45+. This fits well with the Laird of Kincaid's son James who is noted as having had two sons. Hence my comment that this record 'likely' relates to the Laird's son. These people were well to do. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter A. Kincaid To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kincaid and John Murdock of Washington, DC--1820 This is likely James Kincaid, third son of John Kincaid of Kincaid and Elizabeth Danziel. He died in Georgetown, District of Columbia on 10 June 1827. The Lennox of Woodhead papers places him there in 1825. He is recorded as having two sons. There are two sources for the sons names; one is the Lennox of Woodhead papers and the other is a family chart of Heather Veronica Kincaid. The former names the sons as John and George while the latter names them as John and James. Heather states that the son died in New Orleans; James in 1828 and John on 8 May 1833. Until evidence is found support these dates I don't treat them seriously. I certainly would love to learn what happened to these two sons. Best wishes! Peter A. Kincaid Fredericton, NB, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Van Hout To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:56 AM Subject: [KINCAID] James Kincaid and John Murdock of Washington, DC--1820 >From "Sibley Papers: Farmer's History of Detroit and Michigan, Vol. 1, page 490 James Kincaid and John Murdock were the executors named in the will of Robert Monroe. James Kincaid and John Murdock were in the 1820 census of the District of Columbia. "Robert Monroe was in Detroit as early as 1803, when he was fined for keeping a "stove pipe" which at that time was an offence against the fire protection ordinance. He refused to pay his fine, but upon removing the "nuisance" was excused. He was agent of the public stores and attorney to settle the estate of John Francis Hamtramck. In 1805 he wrote Governor Harrison an account of the fire. He left Detroit in 1806, traveling to Washington, D. C., New York City and finally went to Kingston, Jamaica, where he visited a brother, a practicing lawyer, whom he had not seen for twelve years. He again returned to America. He died in Washington, D. C. His will was proved and allowed May 14, 1819. The executors named in the will were James Kincaid and John Murdock. Monroe left two sons, Robert and James, who were in Pennsylvania in 1827." **************************** The above information was found in google books: Governor and Judges Journal: Proceedings of the Land Board of Detroit By Michigan Commission on land titles, Clarence Monroe Burton Published by , 1915 Original from the University of Michigan Digitized Oct 3, 2007 314 pages http://books.google.com/books?id=8FRLAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA202&lpg=PA202&dq=%22James+Kincaid%22+%2B+Mordock&source=web&ots=15oAWl6Vcd&sig=Rv3dHYBgAwl9kujQW9IG9282V_k&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=10&ct=result#PPA202,M1 Barb Van Hout To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Peter, In searching I found an old post by you Subject: Kincaid estate papers inventory Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 23:10:12 -0300 in which you had this as one of the inventoried papers: T-LX/10/11 George Kincaid's executry (d.1820). Correspondence and legal papers, including two letters from his brother James in Georgetown, District of Columbia (1835). 1799-1840. 1 bundle. Do you have access to these 2 letters mentioned and if so do they mention his children? Thanks mighty much! Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter A. Kincaid To: Peter A. Kincaid ; kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kincaid and John Murdock of Washington, DC--1820 I forgot to note that thhe 1820 Federal Census for the District of Columbia, Washington, Georgetown has: James Kincaid, a. 45+, 2 males 18-26; 1 female 45+. This fits well with the Laird of Kincaid's son James who is noted as having had two sons. Hence my comment that this record 'likely' relates to the Laird's son. These people were well to do. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter A. Kincaid To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kincaid and John Murdock of Washington, DC--1820 This is likely James Kincaid, third son of John Kincaid of Kincaid and Elizabeth Danziel. He died in Georgetown, District of Columbia on 10 June 1827. The Lennox of Woodhead papers places him there in 1825. He is recorded as having two sons. There are two sources for the sons names; one is the Lennox of Woodhead papers and the other is a family chart of Heather Veronica Kincaid. The former names the sons as John and George while the latter names them as John and James. Heather states that the son died in New Orleans; James in 1828 and John on 8 May 1833. Until evidence is found support these dates I don't treat them seriously. I certainly would love to learn what happened to these two sons. Best wishes! Peter A. Kincaid Fredericton, NB, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Van Hout To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:56 AM Subject: [KINCAID] James Kincaid and John Murdock of Washington, DC--1820 >From "Sibley Papers: Farmer's History of Detroit and Michigan, Vol. 1, page 490 James Kincaid and John Murdock were the executors named in the will of Robert Monroe. James Kincaid and John Murdock were in the 1820 census of the District of Columbia. "Robert Monroe was in Detroit as early as 1803, when he was fined for keeping a "stove pipe" which at that time was an offence against the fire protection ordinance. He refused to pay his fine, but upon removing the "nuisance" was excused. He was agent of the public stores and attorney to settle the estate of John Francis Hamtramck. In 1805 he wrote Governor Harrison an account of the fire. He left Detroit in 1806, traveling to Washington, D. C., New York City and finally went to Kingston, Jamaica, where he visited a brother, a practicing lawyer, whom he had not seen for twelve years. He again returned to America. He died in Washington, D. C. His will was proved and allowed May 14, 1819. The executors named in the will were James Kincaid and John Murdock. Monroe left two sons, Robert and James, who were in Pennsylvania in 1827." **************************** The above information was found in google books: Governor and Judges Journal: Proceedings of the Land Board of Detroit By Michigan Commission on land titles, Clarence Monroe Burton Published by , 1915 Original from the University of Michigan Digitized Oct 3, 2007 314 pages http://books.google.com/books?id=8FRLAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA202&lpg=PA202&dq=%22James+Kincaid%22+%2B+Mordock&source=web&ots=15oAWl6Vcd&sig=Rv3dHYBgAwl9kujQW9IG9282V_k&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=10&ct=result#PPA202,M1 Barb Van Hout To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message