Are there any stray (non A & A) Montgomery Co. KY Kincaids that could be children to George C. Kincaid & Johannah Baldwin? Since Johannah's father was in Montgomery Co. before 1805, the 1802 Howe marriage between George & Johannah Morris Baldwin appears to be that of George Cambell Kincaid, son of Thomas/Hannah. It looks like after the wedding they returned to Muddy Creek in Greenbrier Co. VA until 1809 when they sold out and moved to KY. According to Randy's March 27, 2005 post a George appears in the 1810 Montgomery Co. KY Census p356 Line 16 1 m under 10 (b 1799-1811) 1 m 26-44 (b 1765-1784) 2 f under 10 (b 1799-1811) 1 f 16-25 (b 1783-1794) The adult female is consistent with Johannah's reported birthdate of 1784. George 1st appears with Thomas/Hannah, Thomas, Francis, Samuel, and John on the tax roles in Greenbrier Co. VA on Arpil 17, 1795 which means a birth year around 1774. This is consistent with the above adult male. Three children under 10 is consistent with an 1802 marriage date. Can this family be found in 1820? Johannah reportedly died prior 1869. This means she may be in the 1850 and 1860 censuses with or without George. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Van Hout" <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> To: <Kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] George C. Kincaid/Johannah Baldwin > The Joe McGlynn who wrote this message appears to know a lot about the > family. > > "If anyone is researching Samuel Baldwin in Botetourt County, Virginia, > during the years 1774-1798, please contact me. > Samuel Baldwin married Mary Wills in 1778, and had eight children. Mary > Wills Baldwin filed the inventory of Samuel Baldwin's will in Montgomery > County, Kentucky in 1805. > Thanks > Joe McGlynn" > > > Here is a compilation of Samuel Ford/Baldwin's children and their > wives---notice that Samuel's children by his wife > Grace, when they lived in New Jersey, had the last name of 'Ford'. When > Samuel moved to Botetourt Co, VA and changed his name to 'Baldwin', his > mother's maiden name, the children born in Virginia with Mary Wills had > the > last name of Baldwin. See this site for Samuel's children with Ford > surname. > http://www.morrisswadener.com/notes.html > > How do these names compare with those in the lawsuit with Thomas Kincaid's > heirs? > > *2nd Wife of [4] Samuel Ford: > .+Mary Wills d: Abt. 1811 > 2 Elizabeth Baldwin b: Abt. 1779 d: Bef. 1869 > .+Robert Harrah > 2 Sarah Baldwinb: Abt. 1781d: Bef. 1869 > .+Richard Collins > 2 William Baldwinb: Abt. 1782 d: February 27, 1853 > 2 Johannah Morris Baldwin b: Abt. 1784 d: Bef. 1869 > .+George Kincaid > 2 Thomas Lewis Baldwin b: 1785 d: 1872 > .+Elizabeth Cobb > 2 Mary Jane Baldwin b: June 10, 1789 d: December 27, 1832 > .+James Wills > 2 Charity Baldwin b: Abt. 1790 d: March 03, 1849 > .+Dawson Haggard > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:32 PM > Subject: [KINCAID] George C. Kincaid/Johannah Baldwin > > >> Barb has come up with some interesting information that may shed some >> light >> on the Baldwin family. There are some questions that aren't answered and >> a >> few problems and the infamous Samuel Ford may not be the Samuel Baldwin >> referred to in the last couple of items. The will of Samuel Baldwin >> evidently notes that his daughter is Hannah Morris. I am wondering if the >> 1802 Howe marriage of George Kincaid and Johanna Morris Baldwin should >> not >> have a "nee" between Morris and Baldwin in her name. The names in the >> will >> of Samuel Baldwin do not exactly match the heirs listed in the court >> case. >> One would need to see the actual will as "Annette" seems to editoralize a >> bit in her reporting. The date of the land sale on Catawba by Samuel's >> heirs >> and the date of the original suit are both Nov, 1811. >> >> Sue Liedtke >> >>>From Ford-L Archives 23 Jan 2006 >> 210 Samuel Ford, b. Hanover, N. J., ca. 1735, will codicil dated 28 Jan. >> 1793 and admitted to probate in Botetourt Co., Va. in Sept. 1793 >> m. Hanover, N. J., 20 Jan. 1757 >> 211 Grace Kitchell, b. about 1741, d. 7 Nov. 1818 >> >> 420 Samuel Ford, b. Woodbridge, N. J., 11 Oct. 1709, d. Hanover, N. J., >> 11 >> Aug. 1752 >> m. Hanover, N. J., ca. 1732 >> 421 Sarah Baldwin, b. Newark, N. J., 20 July 1707 (or 22 July 1709), d. >> Hanover, N. J., 20 April 1787 (or 22 April 1789) >> ___________ >> >> A follow up to the above. >> >> Interesting fellow this Samuel Ford. Anybody know more?? >> The one blot on the Kitchel family record is that Grace, daughter of >> Joseph >> Kitchel and Rachel Bates, married Samuel Ford. Samuel Ford was the son of >> outstanding >> family in Morristown, hosts to George Washington when he spent the winter >> in >> Morristown. The son was quite a clever forger and did a good job of >> disabling >> the new Republic by creating the Panic of 1793 with his printed money. >> When >> he >> was found out, he skipped to Ireland and married (without benefit of a >> divorce) >> and had 3 children. He returned again in the later days of the war and >> continued >> his currency deals and again was at the point of being caught. So taking >> his >> mother's maiden name Baldwin, he retired to the wilds of Virginia where >> he >> married >> again (without divorce) and became the patriarch of some prominent >> families >> of >> Virginia. Samuel Ford's line is also the line whose descendants include >> the >> wife >> of a president and the mother of the current president of the United >> States. >> >> -2 416 5-1 m 20Jan1757 Hanover NJ Samuel FORD b Abt 1735 >> Hanover NJ son Samuel FORD and Sarah BALDWIN, >> notorious counterfeiter 1793; d Lewisburg >> GreenbrierCo VA, alias Samuel BALDWIN >> -2 416 5-1-2 m VA ?______ ?______ (bigamous, alias BALDWIN) >> >> ___________ >> >>>From a WV usgenweb page for the family of Annette >> BALDWIN, Samuel--died ca 1793 Botetourt Co., Virginia, will pro Sept >> 1793, >> married first --- --; >> married 2nd Mary WILLS; from Pennsylvania? >> by first wife: >> unnamed in will, living in Pennsylvania >> Charity >> by 2nd wife: >> Elizabeth >> Sarah >> William (have sheet) >> Joseph (have sheet) >> Hannah--married --- MORRIS >> Thomas Lewis (have sheet) >> Alexander (have sheet) >> Botetourt Co., Virginia Wills >> ____________________ >> >> Chancery Court Case 145 Greenbrier Co. WV - Baldwin heirs vs Kincaid &c >> Nov. 9, 1816 >> ---Robert Harrow and Elizabeth his wife late Elilzabeth Baldwin, George >> Kincaid & Johanah his wife late Johannah Baldwin, William Baldwin, Thomas >> Baldwin, James Wills and Jane his wife, late Jane Baldwin and Charity >> Baldwin, an infant under the age of twenty one years who sues by said >> William Baldwin her next friend respectfully represents that on the >> ____Day >> of November in the year 1811 they filed their original bill in your >> honorable court.---- >> >> This case involves the heirs of Samuel Baldwin vs Thomas Kincaid. The >> case >> is continued after Thomas's death naming the heirs of Thomas. This item >> from >> the University of Tennessee Special Collection Library gives the most >> details as to heirs. The continuance of the court records names the same >> heirs plus Hannah, widow of Thomas. >> Baldwin heirs vs Kincad, heirs of Thomas Kincaid dcd. >> John Kincaid (lives Nicholas) >> Samuel Kincaid (lives Greenbr) >> Thomas Kincaid (Indiana, Madison Township) >> Francis Kincaid (same, ditto) >> George Kincaid (is one of the pltffs) >> William Kincaid (Greenbr County) >> Charles Harra & Margaret his wife (Greenbr) >> Elizabeth Harra (widow-Greenbr) >> >> Have ??? these persons as children & heirs of Thos Kincaid dcd. >> >> __________________ >> >> On 26 November 1811 Richard put out a lot of money and bought a lot of >> land. >> For $2299 he bought from the eight heirs of Samuel Baldwin a 418-acre >> tract >> on Catawba Creek, a branch of the James River.[9] Neighbors with >> adjoining >> land listed in the plat description were Matthew Harvey,[10] William >> Greenwood, Kessler, and Sivert. Twenty years later Richard would buy an >> additional 152 acres (one record says 165 acres) adjoining his 1811 >> purchase. The 418-acre tract had been owned by Samuel Baldwin since 1779, >> and upon Baldwin's death his children had moved to Montgomery County, >> Kentucky, and wanted to sell the land they had inherited. >> http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/u/t/Thomas-K-Butt/FILE/0001page.html >> >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message