Interesting records of Scotland, some of which show a connection to the Buchanan family: ROBERT KINCAID, probably son of John K. of Auchenreoch and Agnes Buchanan; M.A. (Glasgow 1658); adm. about 1662 ; proposed to be trans, to Kirkmahoe in 1672 ; deserted the charge at the Revolution ; retired to Glasgow ; died Aug. 1691, aged about 53. [Wodrow s Hist., ii., 232; Reg. Old Dec., i. ; Glasg. Tests.] Kincaid, min. of Barnweil, and had issue John, surgeon, Glasgow, died Jan. 1716; Agnes, born 15th Nov. 1681 (marr. 20th Dec. 1704, Thomas Buchanan, younger, of Ardoch), died 9th June 1720. [Gray Buchanan Coll., Lyon Office.] WILLIAM CAMERON, born about 7 1637, son of Archibald C., min. of Buchanan ; educated at Univ. of Glasgow ; M.A. (1657) ;....He died at Edinburgh, 29th Jan. 1698. He marr. Mary Wauchope, who survived him, and had issue Elizabeth (marr. Robert Kincaid, schoolmaster, Salt- coats), and eight others. [Glasg. Tests.; Edin. Reg. (Bur.) ; Maitland Miscell., iv. ; Acts of Ass., 1690, 1695.] DAVID GEMMILL, eldest son of Alex- 1798 ander G., tailor, Kirkintilloch, and Margaret Gray ; educated at Univ. of Glasgow ; licen. by Presb. of Glasgow 3rd May 1797 ; min. here 1798-1815. In 1815 he removed to Kirkintilloch, and was chief magistrate from 1826 till his death, 8th June 1842. He gave a site for the erection of St David s Church there, was the largest subscriber to the building fund, and preached at the opening of the church in 1836. He marr. (1) Alicia (died s.p. 1822), eldest daugh. of John Kincaid of Kincaid : (2) 12th Oct. 1824, Agnes, daugh. of Walter Scott of Neilston, Bonhill. [Watson s Kirkintilloch, 327.] FRANCIS KINCAID, M.A. ; reader 1634 1634. [Com. Records of Glasgoio.} WILLIAM KINCAID, vicar; died in 1576 . http://www.archive.org/stream/fastiecclesiasco03scotuoft/fastiecclesiasco03scotuoft_djvu.txt http://www.archive.org/stream/indexes500scotuoft/indexes500scotuoft_djvu.txt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 6:05 PM Subject: [KINCAID] Auchenreoch Kincaids was Re: 67 marker DNA test analysis&infoonTheGatheringoftheClans in Scotland > Your highlight part of the problem I have with the > sample. To me the results would be better spread > if I could prove that one of these were not of the > Kincaids of Auchenreoch. > > Let's take sample 2617. This participant can be > documented as a direct descendant of Rev. Joseph > Kinkead of Killinchy, County Down (previously > Rev. Joseph Kinkead of Stranolar, County Donegal) > who was of the Baronscourt, County Tyrone Kincaids. > Now the participant (Bill Kincaid author of the This I'll > Defend) firmly believes that their ancestor was of the > Kincaids of Auchenreoch. It is clearly written in the > family history that two sons of Rev. Joseph Kinkead > (William and Robert) migrated to Virginia. The Kincaids > of Mononogalia County are the best candidates to be > of these sons. We have a participant, sample 14530, > who claims descent from the Mononogalia Kincaids > and the DNA fits for a connection to 2617. > > Now you note sample 94749 who is a descendant of > Quintin Kinkaid of Muff Parish, County Donegal, Ireland. > I can't eliminate him as a descendant of the Baronscourt, > County Tyrone Kincaids (who I noted above are claimed to > be of the Auchenreoch Kincaids). Rev. Joseph Kinkead's > grandson, Rev. John Kincaid, was a curate of adjacent > Templemore Parish. Another grand daughter married into > the Brownes of adjacent Burt Parish. The Baronscourt > Kincaids are dominant in County Tyrone and mid County > Donegal (there are records clearly tying the families > together) and there are strong links to the Chester Co., > PA and Delaware Kinkeads. > > Then we have sample 23547 who descends from James > Kincaid in Dalgrain, County Falkirk, Scotland. He clearly > is connected to Archibald Kincaid of Heuch but Archibald > died without issue and was succeeded by his brother, John > Kincaid of Saltcoates. These Kincaids are without doubt > direct descendants of the Kincaids of Warriston near > Edinburgh of which the Kincaids of Auchenreoch also > descend (the patriarch being Henry Kincaid, second son of > John Kincaid of Warriston). I can't connect James Kincaid in > Dalgrain to either these Kincaids of Heuch or Saltcoates as > there is no James of record in the family. However, John Kincaid > of Saltcoates was the son of John Kincaid of Heuch by > Elizabeth Kincaid - Archibald seems to have been a half > brother (i.e. he had a different mother than John). Elizabeth > Kincaid seems to have been a sister of William and Walter > Kincaid of Auchenreoch as John Kincaid of Heuch named William > and Walter as tutors to his children in his testament testamentar. > Thus, I can't rule out James Kincaid of Dalgrain being from > the Kincaid of Auchenreoch family. > > So perhaps one can see that my perspective of the data I have > makes me suspect the Kincaids of Auchenreoch having a good > representation in our DNA project. I certainly would be more > comfortable will a suggested AAV if one could prove more > samples without ties to the Kincaids of Auchenreoch. > > Best wishes! > > Peter > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sue Liedtke > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 12:35 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] 67 marker DNA test analysis > &infoonTheGatheringoftheClans in Scotland > > > But we do have samples from some whose ancestors did not immigrate during > the Colonial period and therefore are not direct descendents of the PA/VA > families. Would it have made a difference in your thinking if 23547's > sample > was from a line down from James/Helen Scott m 1669 who had not > immigrated? > 94749's ancestors didn't immigrate during the colonial period. His > results > do not represent a colonial line. Would these lines then meet your > criterea > for non-US colonial lines? If more of Rev. Joseph/Francis Cochrane's > non-immigrant line had tested would 2617's results weigh more in your > mind? > The testee was certainly non-US. > > Granted there is a disportionate number of participants from the colonial > immigrants who entered VA and PA because they have been breeding in the > US > for almost 300 years. Since the US is where the most interest in DNA > testing > occurs and DNA can help untangle the various family lines, it is natural > that these lines are over represented within the project. But there is > also > a disportionate (given the c1800 birthdates) representation of your > David's > and his possible brother George's line. > > We have 2 branches based on 459b (set 1 and set 2/4) of the same family > (A). > Both branches had colonial immigrant ancestors and those who remained in > Scotland or Ireland past the colonial period. Arguing which branch is > more > ancient is futile at this point and may be futile at any point as the > split > probably occured well before historical data exists. The high rate of > mutation, as exhibited in set 4 and as shown where we have confirmed > lineage > to a given individual in both sets suggests that deciding which is the > oldest lineage on the number of mutations may also be problematic. > > It would be interesting as an excersize to shrink the chart by allowing > only > 1 representative of each identical result string then group together > those > who have a vetted or suspected common historical ancestor. Decide on an > AAV > for each ancestor grouping (this may have to be subjective) and let that > AAV > represent the ancestor. This will illimate the over-representation of any > given line and should give a better picture of the overall rate of > mutation > for each set. If I had time, I would do this. Perhaps in January or > February. Right now I have a Christmas tree to trim before heading for > work. > > Sue Liedtke > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My mother used to get a Buchanan periodical before joining Clan Kincaid. Does anyone know if the Kincaids were considered part of the Buchanan Clan? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Van Hout" <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> To: <Kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Auchenreoch Kincaids was Re: 67 marker DNA test > Interesting records of Scotland, some of which show a connection to the > Buchanan family: > > ROBERT KINCAID, probably son of > John K. of Auchenreoch and Agnes > Buchanan; M.A. (Glasgow 1658); > adm. about 1662 ; proposed to be trans, to > Kirkmahoe in 1672 ; deserted the charge > at the Revolution ; retired to Glasgow ; > died Aug. 1691, aged about 53. [Wodrow s > Hist., ii., 232; Reg. Old Dec., i. ; Glasg. > Tests.] > > > Kincaid, min. of Barnweil, and had issue > John, surgeon, Glasgow, died Jan. 1716; > Agnes, born 15th Nov. 1681 (marr. 20th > Dec. 1704, Thomas Buchanan, younger, > of Ardoch), died 9th June 1720. [Gray > Buchanan Coll., Lyon Office.] > > > WILLIAM CAMERON, born about > 7 1637, son of Archibald C., min. of > Buchanan ; educated at Univ. of > Glasgow ; M.A. (1657) ;....He died at Edinburgh, 29th > Jan. 1698. He marr. Mary Wauchope, who > survived him, and had issue Elizabeth > (marr. Robert Kincaid, schoolmaster, Salt- > coats), and eight others. [Glasg. Tests.; > Edin. Reg. (Bur.) ; Maitland Miscell., iv. ; > Acts of Ass., 1690, 1695.] > > > DAVID GEMMILL, eldest son of Alex- > 1798 ander G., tailor, Kirkintilloch, and > Margaret Gray ; educated at Univ. > of Glasgow ; licen. by Presb. of Glasgow > 3rd May 1797 ; min. here 1798-1815. In > 1815 he removed to Kirkintilloch, and > was chief magistrate from 1826 till his > death, 8th June 1842. He gave a site > for the erection of St David s Church > there, was the largest subscriber to the > building fund, and preached at the opening > of the church in 1836. He marr. (1) Alicia > (died s.p. 1822), eldest daugh. of John > Kincaid of Kincaid : (2) 12th Oct. 1824, > Agnes, daugh. of Walter Scott of Neilston, > Bonhill. [Watson s Kirkintilloch, 327.] > > > FRANCIS KINCAID, M.A. ; reader > 1634 1634. [Com. Records of Glasgoio.} > > WILLIAM KINCAID, vicar; died in > 1576 . > http://www.archive.org/stream/fastiecclesiasco03scotuoft/fastiecclesiasco03scotuoft_djvu.txt > > > http://www.archive.org/stream/indexes500scotuoft/indexes500scotuoft_djvu.txt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 6:05 PM > Subject: [KINCAID] Auchenreoch Kincaids was Re: 67 marker DNA test > analysis&infoonTheGatheringoftheClans in Scotland > > >> Your highlight part of the problem I have with the >> sample. To me the results would be better spread >> if I could prove that one of these were not of the >> Kincaids of Auchenreoch. >> >> Let's take sample 2617. This participant can be >> documented as a direct descendant of Rev. Joseph >> Kinkead of Killinchy, County Down (previously >> Rev. Joseph Kinkead of Stranolar, County Donegal) >> who was of the Baronscourt, County Tyrone Kincaids. >> Now the participant (Bill Kincaid author of the This I'll >> Defend) firmly believes that their ancestor was of the >> Kincaids of Auchenreoch. It is clearly written in the >> family history that two sons of Rev. Joseph Kinkead >> (William and Robert) migrated to Virginia. The Kincaids >> of Mononogalia County are the best candidates to be >> of these sons. We have a participant, sample 14530, >> who claims descent from the Mononogalia Kincaids >> and the DNA fits for a connection to 2617. >> >> Now you note sample 94749 who is a descendant of >> Quintin Kinkaid of Muff Parish, County Donegal, Ireland. >> I can't eliminate him as a descendant of the Baronscourt, >> County Tyrone Kincaids (who I noted above are claimed to >> be of the Auchenreoch Kincaids). Rev. Joseph Kinkead's >> grandson, Rev. John Kincaid, was a curate of adjacent >> Templemore Parish. Another grand daughter married into >> the Brownes of adjacent Burt Parish. The Baronscourt >> Kincaids are dominant in County Tyrone and mid County >> Donegal (there are records clearly tying the families >> together) and there are strong links to the Chester Co., >> PA and Delaware Kinkeads. >> >> Then we have sample 23547 who descends from James >> Kincaid in Dalgrain, County Falkirk, Scotland. He clearly >> is connected to Archibald Kincaid of Heuch but Archibald >> died without issue and was succeeded by his brother, John >> Kincaid of Saltcoates. These Kincaids are without doubt >> direct descendants of the Kincaids of Warriston near >> Edinburgh of which the Kincaids of Auchenreoch also >> descend (the patriarch being Henry Kincaid, second son of >> John Kincaid of Warriston). I can't connect James Kincaid in >> Dalgrain to either these Kincaids of Heuch or Saltcoates as >> there is no James of record in the family. However, John Kincaid >> of Saltcoates was the son of John Kincaid of Heuch by >> Elizabeth Kincaid - Archibald seems to have been a half >> brother (i.e. he had a different mother than John). Elizabeth >> Kincaid seems to have been a sister of William and Walter >> Kincaid of Auchenreoch as John Kincaid of Heuch named William >> and Walter as tutors to his children in his testament testamentar. >> Thus, I can't rule out James Kincaid of Dalgrain being from >> the Kincaid of Auchenreoch family. >> >> So perhaps one can see that my perspective of the data I have >> makes me suspect the Kincaids of Auchenreoch having a good >> representation in our DNA project. I certainly would be more >> comfortable will a suggested AAV if one could prove more >> samples without ties to the Kincaids of Auchenreoch. >> >> Best wishes! >> >> Peter >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Sue Liedtke >> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 12:35 PM >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] 67 marker DNA test analysis >> &infoonTheGatheringoftheClans in Scotland >> >> >> But we do have samples from some whose ancestors did not immigrate >> during >> the Colonial period and therefore are not direct descendents of the >> PA/VA >> families. Would it have made a difference in your thinking if 23547's >> sample >> was from a line down from James/Helen Scott m 1669 who had not >> immigrated? >> 94749's ancestors didn't immigrate during the colonial period. His >> results >> do not represent a colonial line. Would these lines then meet your >> criterea >> for non-US colonial lines? If more of Rev. Joseph/Francis Cochrane's >> non-immigrant line had tested would 2617's results weigh more in your >> mind? >> The testee was certainly non-US. >> >> Granted there is a disportionate number of participants from the >> colonial >> immigrants who entered VA and PA because they have been breeding in the >> US >> for almost 300 years. Since the US is where the most interest in DNA >> testing >> occurs and DNA can help untangle the various family lines, it is natural >> that these lines are over represented within the project. But there is >> also >> a disportionate (given the c1800 birthdates) representation of your >> David's >> and his possible brother George's line. >> >> We have 2 branches based on 459b (set 1 and set 2/4) of the same family >> (A). >> Both branches had colonial immigrant ancestors and those who remained in >> Scotland or Ireland past the colonial period. Arguing which branch is >> more >> ancient is futile at this point and may be futile at any point as the >> split >> probably occured well before historical data exists. The high rate of >> mutation, as exhibited in set 4 and as shown where we have confirmed >> lineage >> to a given individual in both sets suggests that deciding which is the >> oldest lineage on the number of mutations may also be problematic. >> >> It would be interesting as an excersize to shrink the chart by allowing >> only >> 1 representative of each identical result string then group together >> those >> who have a vetted or suspected common historical ancestor. Decide on an >> AAV >> for each ancestor grouping (this may have to be subjective) and let that >> AAV >> represent the ancestor. This will illimate the over-representation of >> any >> given line and should give a better picture of the overall rate of >> mutation >> for each set. If I had time, I would do this. Perhaps in January or >> February. Right now I have a Christmas tree to trim before heading for >> work. >> >> Sue Liedtke >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

BUCHANAN, Charles, b 1728 Carbeth Sti. Sct. s/o Charles 8th of Carbeth BUCHANAN & Margaret KINCAID BUCHANAN, Charles Kincaid, s/o James BUCHANAN & Mary PATRICK BUCHANAN, Christian, b 1723 Carbeth Sti. Sct. d/o John 8th of Carbeth & Margaret KINCAID, spouse James MCGOUN *********** >From records on Ancestry.com, "Scottish -American Heirs, 1683-1883: BUCHANAN-KINCAID, Charles, in Brantford Can W, heir to uncle John Buchanan Kincaid, in Carbeth Sterlingshire, d. 14 March 1872. reg. 19 Dec 1872. "At one time Charles Kincaid Buchanan was the male repesentative of the family of Carbeth. Charles was the son of James Buchanan who settled in Canada, who in turn was the third son of John eleventh of Carbeth." (taken from paragraph below) BUCHANAN OF CARBETH The Buchanans of Carbeth are descended from Sir Walter Buchanan of that Ilk, via Thomas Buchanan, first of Gartincaber and Drummakill. Thomas was the tird son of Sir Walter ( second to reach adulthood ). Thomas was granted the lands of Gartincaber by his brother Patrick Buchanan of that Ilk as shown in a charter of 1461. Thomas Buchanan of Gartnegaber and Drummakill had three sons (1) Robert who succeeded to Drummakill and Moss,(2) Thomas of Carbeth, (3) Walter of Balwill. Thomas, first of Carbeth had a conveyancing of the lands of Carbeth from his father dated 31 May 1482, and died before 1493. He left two sons, (1) Thomas who succeeded (2) John in Easter Ballat. Thomas succeeded to Carbeth, to the Temple lands, and Boquhanbeg 10 June 1493. He appears to have lived quite a long time, and must have been over eighty when he died. Thomas had one son John who died before his father, without issue. His nephew Thomas ( sonof John in Easter Ballat ) succeeded to Carbeth. The family held Carbeth until the death of John Buchanan, twelfth Laird of Carbeth, who died 14 March 1872. He was succeeded by two daughters (1) Ann Jane Buchanan (2) Henriatta Charlotte Buchanan. The two daughters sold Carbeth. At one time Charles Kincaid Buchanan was the male repesentative of the family of Carbeth. Charles was the son of James Buchanan who settled in Canada, who in turn was the third son of John eleventh of Carbeth. The Buchanan famly of Blairlusk are Cadets of Carbeth and members of this family settled in Ireland and America. The family of William Boyton Buchanan of Los Angeles, whose son William Boyton Buchanan born 1908, are connected. The arms are listed in Volume I Plate 22 of a System of Heraldry by Alexander Nisbet, first published in 1722 and appear not to have been registered in the Public Register of all Arms and Bearings in Scotland. http://www.esd.co.nz/buchanan/body/xcarbeth.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Van Hout" <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> To: <Kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Auchenreoch Kincaids was Re: 67 marker DNA test > Interesting records of Scotland, some of which show a connection to the > Buchanan family: > > ROBERT KINCAID, probably son of > John K. of Auchenreoch and Agnes > Buchanan; M.A. (Glasgow 1658); > adm. about 1662 ; proposed to be trans, to > Kirkmahoe in 1672 ; deserted the charge > at the Revolution ; retired to Glasgow ; > died Aug. 1691, aged about 53. [Wodrow s > Hist., ii., 232; Reg. Old Dec., i. ; Glasg. > Tests.] > > > Kincaid, min. of Barnweil, and had issue > John, surgeon, Glasgow, died Jan. 1716; > Agnes, born 15th Nov. 1681 (marr. 20th > Dec. 1704, Thomas Buchanan, younger, > of Ardoch), died 9th June 1720. [Gray > Buchanan Coll., Lyon Office.] > > > WILLIAM CAMERON, born about > 7 1637, son of Archibald C., min. of > Buchanan ; educated at Univ. of > Glasgow ; M.A. (1657) ;....He died at Edinburgh, 29th > Jan. 1698. He marr. Mary Wauchope, who > survived him, and had issue Elizabeth > (marr. Robert Kincaid, schoolmaster, Salt- > coats), and eight others. [Glasg. Tests.; > Edin. Reg. (Bur.) ; Maitland Miscell., iv. ; > Acts of Ass., 1690, 1695.] > > > DAVID GEMMILL, eldest son of Alex- > 1798 ander G., tailor, Kirkintilloch, and > Margaret Gray ; educated at Univ. > of Glasgow ; licen. by Presb. of Glasgow > 3rd May 1797 ; min. here 1798-1815. In > 1815 he removed to Kirkintilloch, and > was chief magistrate from 1826 till his > death, 8th June 1842. He gave a site > for the erection of St David s Church > there, was the largest subscriber to the > building fund, and preached at the opening > of the church in 1836. He marr. (1) Alicia > (died s.p. 1822), eldest daugh. of John > Kincaid of Kincaid : (2) 12th Oct. 1824, > Agnes, daugh. of Walter Scott of Neilston, > Bonhill. [Watson s Kirkintilloch, 327.] > > > FRANCIS KINCAID, M.A. ; reader > 1634 1634. [Com. Records of Glasgoio.} > > WILLIAM KINCAID, vicar; died in > 1576 . > http://www.archive.org/stream/fastiecclesiasco03scotuoft/fastiecclesiasco03scotuoft_djvu.txt > > > http://www.archive.org/stream/indexes500scotuoft/indexes500scotuoft_djvu.txt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 6:05 PM > Subject: [KINCAID] Auchenreoch Kincaids was Re: 67 marker DNA test > analysis&infoonTheGatheringoftheClans in Scotland > > >> Your highlight part of the problem I have with the >> sample. To me the results would be better spread >> if I could prove that one of these were not of the >> Kincaids of Auchenreoch. >> >> Let's take sample 2617. This participant can be >> documented as a direct descendant of Rev. Joseph >> Kinkead of Killinchy, County Down (previously >> Rev. Joseph Kinkead of Stranolar, County Donegal) >> who was of the Baronscourt, County Tyrone Kincaids. >> Now the participant (Bill Kincaid author of the This I'll >> Defend) firmly believes that their ancestor was of the >> Kincaids of Auchenreoch. It is clearly written in the >> family history that two sons of Rev. Joseph Kinkead >> (William and Robert) migrated to Virginia. The Kincaids >> of Mononogalia County are the best candidates to be >> of these sons. We have a participant, sample 14530, >> who claims descent from the Mononogalia Kincaids >> and the DNA fits for a connection to 2617. >> >> Now you note sample 94749 who is a descendant of >> Quintin Kinkaid of Muff Parish, County Donegal, Ireland. >> I can't eliminate him as a descendant of the Baronscourt, >> County Tyrone Kincaids (who I noted above are claimed to >> be of the Auchenreoch Kincaids). Rev. Joseph Kinkead's >> grandson, Rev. John Kincaid, was a curate of adjacent >> Templemore Parish. Another grand daughter married into >> the Brownes of adjacent Burt Parish. The Baronscourt >> Kincaids are dominant in County Tyrone and mid County >> Donegal (there are records clearly tying the families >> together) and there are strong links to the Chester Co., >> PA and Delaware Kinkeads. >> >> Then we have sample 23547 who descends from James >> Kincaid in Dalgrain, County Falkirk, Scotland. He clearly >> is connected to Archibald Kincaid of Heuch but Archibald >> died without issue and was succeeded by his brother, John >> Kincaid of Saltcoates. These Kincaids are without doubt >> direct descendants of the Kincaids of Warriston near >> Edinburgh of which the Kincaids of Auchenreoch also >> descend (the patriarch being Henry Kincaid, second son of >> John Kincaid of Warriston). I can't connect James Kincaid in >> Dalgrain to either these Kincaids of Heuch or Saltcoates as >> there is no James of record in the family. However, John Kincaid >> of Saltcoates was the son of John Kincaid of Heuch by >> Elizabeth Kincaid - Archibald seems to have been a half >> brother (i.e. he had a different mother than John). Elizabeth >> Kincaid seems to have been a sister of William and Walter >> Kincaid of Auchenreoch as John Kincaid of Heuch named William >> and Walter as tutors to his children in his testament testamentar. >> Thus, I can't rule out James Kincaid of Dalgrain being from >> the Kincaid of Auchenreoch family. >> >> So perhaps one can see that my perspective of the data I have >> makes me suspect the Kincaids of Auchenreoch having a good >> representation in our DNA project. I certainly would be more >> comfortable will a suggested AAV if one could prove more >> samples without ties to the Kincaids of Auchenreoch. >> >> Best wishes! >> >> Peter >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Sue Liedtke >> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 12:35 PM >> Subject: Re: [KINCAID] 67 marker DNA test analysis >> &infoonTheGatheringoftheClans in Scotland >> >> >> But we do have samples from some whose ancestors did not immigrate >> during >> the Colonial period and therefore are not direct descendents of the >> PA/VA >> families. Would it have made a difference in your thinking if 23547's >> sample >> was from a line down from James/Helen Scott m 1669 who had not >> immigrated? >> 94749's ancestors didn't immigrate during the colonial period. His >> results >> do not represent a colonial line. Would these lines then meet your >> criterea >> for non-US colonial lines? If more of Rev. Joseph/Francis Cochrane's >> non-immigrant line had tested would 2617's results weigh more in your >> mind? >> The testee was certainly non-US. >> >> Granted there is a disportionate number of participants from the >> colonial >> immigrants who entered VA and PA because they have been breeding in the >> US >> for almost 300 years. Since the US is where the most interest in DNA >> testing >> occurs and DNA can help untangle the various family lines, it is natural >> that these lines are over represented within the project. But there is >> also >> a disportionate (given the c1800 birthdates) representation of your >> David's >> and his possible brother George's line. >> >> We have 2 branches based on 459b (set 1 and set 2/4) of the same family >> (A). >> Both branches had colonial immigrant ancestors and those who remained in >> Scotland or Ireland past the colonial period. Arguing which branch is >> more >> ancient is futile at this point and may be futile at any point as the >> split >> probably occured well before historical data exists. The high rate of >> mutation, as exhibited in set 4 and as shown where we have confirmed >> lineage >> to a given individual in both sets suggests that deciding which is the >> oldest lineage on the number of mutations may also be problematic. >> >> It would be interesting as an excersize to shrink the chart by allowing >> only >> 1 representative of each identical result string then group together >> those >> who have a vetted or suspected common historical ancestor. Decide on an >> AAV >> for each ancestor grouping (this may have to be subjective) and let that >> AAV >> represent the ancestor. This will illimate the over-representation of >> any >> given line and should give a better picture of the overall rate of >> mutation >> for each set. If I had time, I would do this. Perhaps in January or >> February. Right now I have a Christmas tree to trim before heading for >> work. >> >> Sue Liedtke >> To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message