Duncan roots,great idea for Kinkead's of all spellings.Tom Kinkead #20720 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liedtke" <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Chart Summary > Without a web page devoted to the DNA study, where would such a chart be > housed so that all could access it. Alice has very kindly been hosting the > chart itself but we cannot ask her to use more space to add more > explanatory > information. If there is someone who has the time and expertise to create > a > webpage then a chart like displayed at the Duncan site would be do-able > though our chart would be a bit more complicated. Although we have several > lines represented with multiple participants most of the lines hit a brick > wall before connecting with any degree of accuracy to a common ancestor. > > It has long been a desire that all linkages, vetted and otherwise be > disclosed for each participant. This would certainly be an advantage to > others trying to connect in and to others researching specific locations. > Here again we have the access problem. > > We also have another problem in that until we started vetting to the list > the lineages of participants were not publically disclosed. While Peter > may > be able to fill us in on participants who joined during his tenure as > administrator, Leslie did not share information she received from those > who > joined during her tenure. We do not have linkage information for the lines > she vetted much less those lines that are not vetted. Quit frankly it is > difficult to get each participant to disclose their lineage information, > some have gone on to other pursuits, others have died, some where > recruited > to represent a particular ancestor but though willing to donate DNA have > little interest in disclosing publically their lineage or pursuing further > connections and many do not have the time to gather the needed > information. > > I am reluctant to further expand the chart as it is already so large and > as > we gain further participants will even become larger. I would not rule out > producing another chart with the repetitions eliminated or, as more > connections are proven, doing some revamping of the present chart to add > additional information where the common earliest ancestor is repeated on > several lines. Unfortunately, at this time, doing this would not help a > great deal as we have implicated but unproven connections in many cases. > > What I can do is, as I have time, use the summary technique and list posts > to show the state of research in each group-set. However, in doing so, I > would be using my viewpoint which may not be accurate. I would like to > encourage all those who have not gone through the vetting process to do so > and those who were vetted by Leslie to disclose the linkages to their > vetted > ancestor. > > We could do a whole lot more if we had a dedicated web-page. Any takers?? > > Sue Liedtke > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:54 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Chart Summary > > > Thanks, Sue for the summary. I found a chart at the Duncan Roots.com > webpage > and it has an interesting chart format that might be of use to our > project. > See the link here: > http://dsa.duncanroots.com/Clan_News/DNAreport2007.1.htm > I find this chart makes it clearer to me who is the common ancestor or > likely common ancestor. > If that link doesn't work go here and then to DNA report 2007.1 > http://www.dsa.duncanroots.com/ > Sincerely > Norman Kincaide > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 4:16:06 PM > Subject: [KINCAID] Chart Summary > > The following is a summary of Groups and sets in the DNA chart. A-1 > information was posted earlier but is included her for continuity. > > Group A has the largest number of participants. This may be due to the > higher interest of descendents of colonial ancestors in genealogy though > there are participants whose ancestors did not migrate to N America. > > Set 1 has a 10 at marker 15. I have chosen values from this set to > represent > the Apparent Ancestral Values for the entire group. Others have suggested > that the AAV for marker 15 should be 9. Additional participants and > documents may show us better which is correct. > > A-1a-- about 1/2 of the ancestors in this set can be traced to > Augusta/Greenbrier Co. VA. This area is very complicated and the number of > participants reflects an attempt to use every tool possible to sort the > families. The rest of the set is scattered with the earliest ancestors > being > Rev. Joseph b c1724 Co. Down, Ireland and William/Sarah b c 1700 of New > Castle, DE. Other participants have traced to Westmoreland Co. PA, NJ, > Monongalia Co VA, Cecil Co. MD, Tippecanoe and Crawford Co. IN > > A-1b-- subgrouped by appearance of a 12 at marker 26. The earliest > ancestor is Joseph m c 1726 of Albemarle Co. VA, probable connections to > John of Sadsbury PA through sons Samuel b 1736 and David, and possible > connection to John the Patriarch b 1710 of Burke Co. NC. There is also > probable connection to David/Winnefred of Alb. Co. VA. Others trace to > Lewis > Co. TN, Morgan Co. OH and various KY counties. > > A-1c-- subgrouped by appearance of an 11 at marker 4. This set may or > may not be related more closely to each other than to someone in A-1a. The > marker 4 eleven is an unreliable indicator. In this set are 3 who trace to > Robert/Mary Bowman b 1742 of Hardin Co. KY, 2 who trace to Thomas and John > of Campbell Co. TN (originally from Greenbrier Co. VA), two more who trace > to Greenbrier Co. VA, one who traces to Ontario, Canada, one to Gilmer Co. > GA, and the earliest of the set to James/Helen Scott of Falkirk Parish > Scotland (d 1669). > > Group A-2. Set 2 and 4 is distinguished from set 1 by a 9 at marker 15. > > A-2a. Earliest ancestor is George/Jean Mitchell b 1733 of Cumberland Co. > PA. > One ancestor Samuel/Johanna Walch b 1811 did not leave Ireland. Other > members from Fayette Co. WVA and Westmoreland Co. PA > > A-2b This set has an 18 a marker 30. Earliest ancestors are James/Hannah b > 1739 of Rowan Co. NC , Andrew/Martha Townsley b 1745 of Cumberland Co. PA > and John/Anna Gregory b 1749 of PA (perhaps son of John of Carlisle). > Later > ancestors show up in Maury and Wilson Cos. TN. > > A-4 This set has a 14 at marker 19 and a 36 at marker 34. Four > participants > descend from David/Elizabeth Gardiner b 1798 who migrated from > Londonderry, > Ireland to New Brunswick, Canada. Three of these were recruited to > successfully isolate mutations. The others are associated with Co. Tyrone, > Ireland. Two of these descend from a suspected brother of David. > > A-undetermined. One participant has not upgraded to 37 markers. He is set > 2 > but the subset cannot be determined. Another particpant has results for > markers 1-12 so his set cannot be determined. > > Group B > The earliest participant is vetted to John/Margaret Blair b 1748 of > Campsie > Parish Scotland. The other 3 trace to Tyrone and Donegal Cos Ireland. > > Group C-1 All but one participant trace to Donegal Co., Ireland. Three of > these trace to John/Catherin Coulter b 1759. One participant traces to > Indiana. > > Group C-2. This Group may not be genetically linked to C-1, however, the C > designation has been retained for both groups because of early use within > the project. The earliest ancestors for this group trace to > George/Elizabeth > Dean b c1720 of Augusta Co. VA, Samuel/Margaret Clark b c1717 of Augusta > Co. > Va and Robert/Margaret Doherty of m pr1745 of Alleghany Co. PA. Others > trace > to Washington Co. PA, Harrison Co., KY, Jackson Co, OH, Washington Co., OH > and Muscatine Co. IA. > > Group D. Two participants trace to John/Elizabeth b c1730 of Bath Co. VA > (John of Bath) and two participants trace to William/Sarah Smith b 1806 of > Gasconade Co. MO > > Group E. Two participants. Each trace to Alexander Kinket b 1710 of > Dordreicht Netherlands > > Group F. Two participants. Only one with listed ancestor. He traces to > James/Janet Manuel b 1739 of Stirlingshire, Scotland > > Group G. Two participants who are not closely matched but share enough > likenesses that they appear to be from the same stalk. One traces to > James/Jane Watson b 1800 of Tyrone Co. Ireland and the other to > Robert/Isabella Nutt b 1855 Londonderry Ireland > > Group H. Two participants in Haplogroup E3b. One has not upgraded from 12 > markers and has no ancestor named. The other traces to David/Ann Tozieer > Jenkins of New Hampshire. > > Ungrouped. These participants have no match within the project. This may > be > due to an unknown break in the Kincaid male lineage or that other > participants have not surfaced from this particular line. Among this group > are participants tracing to Charles/Apphia b 1804 of Cumberland Co. Maine, > George/Margaret b 1825 of New York, New York, Thomas b 1745 of Indiana, > Thomas/Mary Echkels b 1802 of Coschocton, OH, and James Torrance/Mary Moor > b > 1800 of Alleghany Co. PA. > > Sue Liedtke > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To > unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotesin the subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message