The last of the upgrade to 67 markers for 5806 & 4323 have been returned. No surprises here. They both match the Apparent Ancestral Values for Group A in the 38-67 range. 5806 is in A-1a. His vetted ancestor is Francis of Tippicanoe Co. IN b 1833 d 1881 m 1857 Isabella Merkel. There are several possible connections for this line as A-1a ancestors are scattered at an early date from IRE to DEL to VA and their descendents expanded with the frontier. 4323 is in A-2b. The proposed ancestor is William of PA>Crawford Co. IN>Putnam Co. IL b1790-9 d 1846 m 1820 Elizabeth Glenn. Other A-2b ancestors from PA are associated with Cumberland Co. They are (1263) Andrew b 1745 m Martha Townsley, (5803)William b 1785 m Hannah Bonner and (93625) John b 1749 m Anna Gregory. John is possibly the son of John of Carlisle, Cumberland Co. PA. None of these are vetted lines. 93625 and 5803 both have a mutation to 38 at marker 34 (CDYa) that the other 2 do not share. There is potential for connections both in time and place between these lines. The other 1/2 of A-2b seems to concentrate in Rowan Co. NC and TN. The eldest proposed ancestor for this 1/2 is George b 1739 d 1826 m Hannah. Since TN was an expansion area from NC and NC was settled by many from PA, there is again a possibility in time and place for connection. I urge the contacts for these individuals to work on vetting their respective lines. Not only will it put the set on a firm basis but may also reveal connection possibilities here-to-fore unrecognized. Sue Liedtke