Barbara, Thanks for the research on the Michael Woods family. I was delighted to see that he was in Chester County in 1725 according to Ruth Lamar Petracek who seems to be a very serious researcher. Yes on a descendant of Michael Woods and Joseph Kinkead marrying later. Has anyone read Ruth Lamar Petracek's book _Woods-Wallace Cousin Clues_ mentioned in the posts? Since some think the Kincaids/Kinkeads likely came South to VA with Michael Woods perhaps there is something in her book about the Kincaid/Kinkeads of that era. With the new information that is being made available daily on the internet, I am hopeful we will soon find more common ancestors for many in the Kincaid's of all spellings Surname DNA Project. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Van Hout To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA chart, Rev Jos. Kinkead of Killinchy Don, Here are several messages that seem to give detailed information of Michael Woods and his family who went to Virginia (from Pennsylvania) in the 1730's. These three messages below show serious research on this family. Isn't there a connection in your family to a descendant of Michael Woods and Mary Campbell? ************************** "I have the following information on Michael and his children. I also have an extensive family tree that you may be interested in looking at. I'm related to Michael I believe what would be his great grandson Adam C. Woods' grandson Archibald Jr., the son of Adam's son Archibald Sr., who migrated to in and around Howard Co., MO in the early 1800's pre-statehood for MO from Madison Co., KY. with Daniel Boone and sons. MICHAEL MARION5 WOODS (JOHN ANDREW4, JOHN3, RICHARD2, MICHAEL1) was born Bet. 1683 - 1684 in Dunshauglin Castle, Meath, Ireland, and died 1762 in Mountain Plains (later called Blair Park), Albemarle Co., VA. He married MARY CAMPBELL 1704 in Scotland, daughter of JAMES CAMPBELL and SUSAN CAMPBELL. She was born 02 Jun 1690 in Auckinbrech, Argyll, Scotland, and died 1742 in Mountain Plains, Albemarle Co., VA. Notes for MICHAEL MARION WOODS: He came to Albemarle County about 1734 and settled near WOODS Gap, now called Jarman's Gap in the Blue Ridge Mountains. He received land patents for 1,300 acres near Lickinghole, Mechum's River and Beaver Creek, embracing the present Mechum's Depot and Blair Park. At the same time he also purchased 2,000 acres from Charles Hudson on Ivy Creek. The first Presbyterian Church as built at Mountain Plains and named for Michael's home. His remains were buried about 100 yards from his home; however, during the Civil War the stone was broken. A chip was found which confirms his birth date. His will mentions 3 sons and 3 daughters: Archibald, John, William, Sarah (wife of Joseph Lapsley of Rockbridge), Hannah (wife of William Wallace) and Margaret (wife of Andrew Wallace). Sons Archibald and John were the executors. (JD14) JARMAN'S GAP Five miles east is Jarman's Gap, formerly known as WOODS' Gap. Through this pass Michael WOODS, his three sons, and three sons in law (Andrew, Peter, William Wallace), coming from Pennsylvania via Shenandoah Valley, crossed into Albemarle County in 1734; pioneers in settling this section. In 1780 to 1781 British prisoners taken at Saratoga went through the gap en route to Winchester. In June, 1862 part of Stonewall Jackson's Confederate army, moving to join Lee at Richmond, crossed the mountain here. (Route 340, 1.2 miles north of Waynesboro)."...... There were 25 or 30 of them. Michael's wife, Mary CAMPBELL, his sons and his sons-in-law and their families. They took up large holdings from Greenwood to Ivy. In 1737 WOODS entered a claim for 1,300 acres on Mechum River and Lickinghole Creek. He also purchased 2,000 acres on the head waters of Ivy Creek. Woods was born in the north of Ireland in 1684 and came to this country "sometime in the decade of 1720. Landing on the banks of the Delaware, he spent some years in Lancaster County, Pa., thence ascended the Valley of Virginia and crossed the Blue Ridge" His home was near the mouth of WOODS Gap and there he was buried in 1762 in the family burying ground a short distance from the dwelling. His will mentioned six children, three sons and three daughters. Historians say there is evidence that there were four other children, two sons and two daughters..... Read the total message here: http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.woods/5091.1/mb.ashx ************* Here is a reply to the above message: "Next, the earliest records of Michael Woods in the Americas are 1725--when he's on tax records for Chester County, PA. He did NOT emigrate in 1742--but more likely 1723 or 1724. Magdalena Woods McDowell was among the latest emigres in 1733 by her own testimony in Augusta County records and that of her sister-in-law who came with her. Check the genweb site for Chester County, and the Chester County records there, Ruth Lamar Petracek's book _Woods-Wallace Cousin Clues_ and the Augusta County records. Next, there is strong evidence for one more son of Michael Woods who is not listed in the will, but only one more son. Michael Woods did NOT have as many children as you are claiming. Go back and read the Augusta County records and pay attention to the naming tradition. Most of the children you ascribe to Michael were children of SAMUEL and named their first or second born sons SAMUEL and unless the children of Samuel married daughters or sons of Michael--as per his will, had NO children named Michael. The only additional likely son is a Richard Woods. There were two of them of nearly the same age. The one who became the first sheriff of Botetourt County was the son of Samuel. Richard Woods, son of Michael appears to have been a merchant and landowner in Albemarle County. You'll find mentions of both, describing them, in the Augusta County records, which are on-line at the genweb site for Augusta County: Chalkey's Chronicles of the Scots-Irish in 3 volumes, and indexed. As a descendant of Peter Wallace and Martha Woods and their parents: SAMUEL Wallace and Elizabeth Woods and SAMUEL Woods and ELIZABETH Campbell, I resent the continued misstatements about the identities and parentage of these people and the continued confusion with Michael and Mary when there has been plenty of records for decades on both sides of the Atlantic showing the realities. I, the late Ruth Lamar Petracek, Ruby Woods, Lois M. Postel, the late Mrs. Ruthmary Erdahl-first cousin of the Congressman of the same name, my late mother, and others have spent over 40 years researching and transcribing the truth and passing it on--long before computers, trying to undo the speculative undocumented crap put out in the Woods-McAfee Memorial and other vanity press books published 85 to 100 years ago. We've even struggled with semi-historical claptrap like Marten's mangled history of Rockbridge which had uncle and nephew both named John Wallace dying the same day, ignoring the probate records and land records indicating that the nephew was alive and well when Marten has him dead. Apparently when he was doing his typing and editing he wasn't going back to cross check what he'd written with the original records. Yet we think he's the idiot who dropped Peter Wallace's will behind the file cabinet in the basement of the Rockbridge County Courthouse. (Ruth Lamar Petracek found it again--a photocopy of that is also in her book.)"...... http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.woods/5091.1.4/mb.ashx "This is kind of post script. I spotted something else wrong--the dates are wrong for some of Samuel's and Michael's children. Notably wrong are the dates for Magdalena Woods McDowell-Borden Bowyer. According to Augusta County records (testimony in suits) and transport records found in Albemarle County (Albemarle was created just before Augusta) she was married John McDowell as his 2nd wife, in 1733 in Ireland, and immigrated soon after with him and his father and other members of the McDowell family. She was about 21 when married, this means she was born in about 1711--not 1706. Additionally she was dead by 1800. In 1801, people were already filing suit over the related inheritances. She lived to be about 90--not 100. She died soon after the end of the witchcraft trial against her and her sister-in-law, Mrs. Greenlee. That trial was going on in 1795 and maybe into 1796. There are mentions of it in Chalkley's Chronicles but the full of it fills up two volumes of court records in Augusta County, in the Staunton Courthouse, according to the late Ruth Lamar Petracek who perused them back in the 1970's. Martha, Magalena and their sister Sarah who married Joseph Lapsley were all daughters of SAMUEL Woods and Elizabeth Campbell, not Michael Woods and Mary Campbell. Martha was born probably in 1718--the colonial marriage laws generally stated 21 as a minimum age for marriage. The Quakers allowed marriage for 18 year old females and were constantly at odds with the "official" church. Remember: church and state were one in England, and England ruled the Americas. Thus even many Quakers waited--because the fines could be quite hefty if they didn't. Peter Wallace was born between 1715-1717. There is no evidence that Mary Campbell was killed by the Native Americans. The December, 1741 incident occurred west of where Michael Woods and his wife were living and it might have been her sister, Elizabeth Campbell Woods who was among people killed by the Native Americans after John McDowell gave the Iroquois war party liquor. According to the records of those asking for compensation for losses (which included family members) it was the Woods in Augusta County, connected with Samuel Woods, who filed for compensation..... http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.woods/5091.1.5/mb.ashx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don W. Kincaid" <donwkincaid1@frontiernet.net> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA chart, Rev Jos. Kinkead of Killinchy > Dennis, > > Since you have so many records on David Kinkead from Spotsylvania, > Goochland and Orange Counties, I wonder if you might have any for James > and Joseph Kinkead since Wood's History of Albemarle County states that > David, James and Joseph are brothers? > > Thanks for all you contribute to the Kincaid list! > > Don W. > > > > Between June 1734 and 1743 in Spottsylvania, Goochland and Orange > counties > it is spelled Kinkead 46 times to 2 as Kinkade, and 4 spellings of > Kindred. > > The spelling may be more related to which clerk recorded the records. > > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message