Dear list and Leslie In reply to an old message IFFFF I'm right....i have George Washington Kincaid's parents as Thomas Kincaid(the imfamous Mountain Tom who deserted his 1st wife,Mary(Polly) Withrow) and ran off with a Lucinda Claypool). Mary was George W's mother. If i have this all messed up, please let me know I have as Mt Tom's children with Mary Thomas (my Line) George Washington William Harvey Andrew Levi Lewis Mary Catherine Manser I have George Washington Kincaid's children Rufus A Sarah Martha Isa Belle Mary C George William Va Margaret Daniel Thomas Emily Frances Many thanks Carol in Va ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie McConachie" <lesliesc@earthlink.net> To: <KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 4:03 PM Subject: [KINCAID] DNA clarifies and terrifies > Hello to each of you, > > > NEW RESULTS > > Yesterday we got new DNA results on samples 48219 and 35195. (These were > even 10 days early!) > > > 35195 is a DNA sample for Bill Kincaid. It comes down from Samuel > Kincaid of early Augusta Co. though his son Samuel Kincaid/wife Margaret > Clark. > This sample is now listed with Group C, Set 2, and suggests a > close relationship between Samuel Kincaid and Ruth Cherecwich's favorite > ancestor George Kincaid/Elizabeth Dean. > Perhaps Samuel and George are brothers, perhaps not, but they do > fall into the same general age range and were in Augusta Co., VA, in the > mid-1700s. They are among our earliest Kincaids. > This may help explain the Group C results for ancestors Isaiah > Kincaid (1262) and Robert L. Kincaid (2305) who both were born in VA but > first surface in OH. > Bill has a nice website where his ancestry is outlined at > http://www.geocities.com/heartland/meadows/4756/ > > > 48219 is a DNA sample coming down from George Washington > Kincaid/Mary Catherine Campbell of Fayette and Roane Cos., WV. George > Washington Kincaid lived 1818-1898. > This one fell into Group A, Set 2, and is the first instance of > this DNA in Virginia, for many of the members of that group and set go > back to PA. > According to the results, this man has no identified close > relatives in VA. We obviously need more DNA samples from identified > ancestors in this region, or listmember Bob Arnott will never get to go to > an extended family reunion. Bob's ancestor George Washington Kincaid was > born in 1818 and died in 1898. By the 1880 census of Roane Co., WV, both > of his parents were born in VA. We're now looking for a Kincaid papa who > was born in Virginia at some point before 1800. > > _______________________________________________________ > > > One of the things this does is tell all of us that we've got more genetic > diversity in Virginia than we might have thought. Sue has already pointed > out that there could well have been several waves of Kincaid immigration > into VA. These "new" DNA lineages could have been in PA or elsewhere for a > time, or they could have come more directly from Europe. > > > UPHEAVAL IN FAYETTE CO., WV > > The new results rule out the possibility that Toney Kincaid (33001 - Group > A, Set 3) could descend from the Samuel Kincaids of Anthony Creek (49351 - > Group C, Set 2). Toney's lineage has a marriage bond in Greenbrier Co. in > 1815 on which a Samuel Kincaid gives permission for "my son" Thomas to > marry Polly Davis. The only remaining Samuel in Greenbrier about whom we > have any knowledge and who is old enough to be the father of Thomas seems > to be the Samuel Kincaid who married Mary Tincher, Hulda Osborn, and Diana > Ewing. > > Whoa, we might have expected any DNA coming down from marriage-minded > Samuel to fall into Group A, Set 1. This puts Fayette Co., WV, into a > snarl. > > It has been thought by Kincaid researchers for a very long time that > Samuel was probably a brother to Rev.War pensioner John Kincaid/Elizabeth > Hannah Gillespie (30078 and 36856 - DNA results coming down from James > Gillespie Kincaid/Mary Tritt). > > Previous scenarios have theorized that both Samuel and Rev War John were > sons to Thomas Kincaid/Hannah Tincher. But if Toney is Set 3, and 30078 > and 36856 are Set 1, the brother theory is out the window. We need to > re-analyze the records AND get some different DNA samples out of early > Virginia/West Virginia ancestors. > > To this is added the point that George Washington Kincaid/Mary Catherine > Campbell (who married in Fayette Co. in 1841) have an entirely different > set of DNA results than we have previously found in the area, so now we > have a burning need to find a father for him. > > Fayette Co. turns out to be a melting pot of many different Kincaid lines. > Research there should proceed with caution. > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > > UPCOMING RESULTS** > > 22 Feb for 37-marker upgrades > 1257 Archibald Kincaid/Rachel Hicklin > of Augusta Co., VA > > 1 March for 37-marker upgrades > 11207 James Kincade/Elizabeth Church of > Franklin & Lewis Cos., TN > 18496 James H. Kincaid/Caroline McKimsey > of Bedford Co., TN & MO > 47327 Ted Tomlinson of MI > 5850 Arthur Perry Kincaid of IL > 5806 Francis Kincaid/Isabella Markel > of Tippecanoe, Benton and Warren Cos., IN > > 3 March for 12 markers > 49951 Jim & Maggie Kincaid - our first > Maine Kincaid line > > 10 March for 12 markers > 49844 Ron Kincaid ... an > honest-to-goodness cousin of our Peter Kincaid > > 15 March for 37-marker upgrade > 44937 Robert Kincaid/Margaret Doherty of > Alleghany Co., PA > > 17 March for 25 & 37 markers > 49951 Jim & Maggie Kincaid - our first > Maine Kincaid line > > 24 March for 25 & 37 markers > 49844 Ron Kincaid ... an > honest-to-goodness cousin of our Peter Kincaid > > About 1 April (no date set yet by FTDNA) (37 marker test) > 51828 L.C. Kincaid - descendant of David > Kincaid/Lucy Riggins of Maury Co., TN > > > ** The extended 37-marker results for 15779 (Group A, Set 3), on John > Adams Kincaid of Murray Co., GA, will not be coming back as scheduled on > Feb 22. The lab was not able to culture the existing sample and sent out a > kit for a new sample. The original sample came from the uncle of Joel > Warren, but the gentleman in question is now deceased. FTDNA says it will > try testing the first sample again, but in case that is not possible, > we're looking for the nearest living Kincaid relative of that lineage to > do a new test. > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > > Will the following listmembers please contact me in a private message, for > I have some sort of housekeeping details to clear up with each of you: > > Ruth Cherecwich > Deanne Kincaid > Carol Roy > Brenda Beatty > Bill Kincaid whk925@comcast.net > Sue Stewart > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > DESPERATE PLEA > > I'll say it once again. We must add more DNA participants. We do not need > new samples from ancestors whose DNA has already been typed, but we do > need new participants whose lineage is in question. > > You can help in 2 ways. > > 1. You can take it upon yourselves to locate living Kincaid males whose > DNA lineage might add to our knowledge. > > 2. You can donate all or part of the cost of a DNA test, for many living > Kincaid males have no interest in family history and wouldn't think to > join the project at any cost. > > You're not safe from being dunned for a donation if you're a male whose > surname isn't Kincaid or if you're female. You should consider making a > donation so that an appropriate DNA test for your problem ancestor can be > covered. > > If you won't help, who will? > > Leslie > > > ==== KINCAID Mailing List ==== > THE KINCAID RESEARCHER > www.alphalink.com.au/~kincaid > >

Carol, Forget the infamous Mt Tom ran off with Lucinda Claypool story. Until we can get a DNA sample from this "second" family, there is nothing beyond the legend to suggest that Thomas/Polly Davis of Fayette Co. WVA was the same Thomas who shows up with Lucinda Claypool in his household in Lewis Co. WVA in 1850. Lucinda says that she is "daughter" to this Thomas when reporting his death. The ages of the 2 Thomases do not match. The Lewis Co. Thomas has a Mary who is of an age to be his wife in 1850, while your Thomas/Isabella has a Mary, widow, in his household in 1850 who is of an age to be his mother. The same woman would not be in 2 places at one time. The only proven son of Thomas/Polly Davis is William/Harriet/Susan. #33001 in the DNA project is vetted to Thomas/Polly through William who says his parents are Thomas Kincaid & Polly Davis on his marriage record to Susan. DNA #101753 has a good case to Harvey and is lacking just a bit of evidence to connect to Thomas/Polly. #33001 has a mutation which matches other Kincaids that #101753 does not. This mutation may have occured downline from Thomas/Polly. DNA from a descendent of George W/Mary Campbell (#49289) does not match #33001 or #101753. It is unlikely (but not impossible) that his mutation occured downline from other Kincaids who share the mutation. If it is at all possible a DNA sample from your line of Thomas/Isabella Campbell would help clear up whether he is a possible son of Thomas/Polly or not. Certainly his paper trail would indicate that he is but the Fayette area is quite confusing and he always refers to his mother as Mary while William and Harvey always refer to her as Polly. Since Polly is a nickname for Mary, the different names are not a big hinderance but should be addressed. Thomas/Polly Davis looks from paperwork like he is the son of Samuel/Mary Tincher/Hilda Osborne/Diana Ewing. Who looks from paperwork like he is the son of Thomas/Hannah Tincher. His marriage bonds state he is son of a Samuel and his age and location suggest he is the Thomas mentioned as son of Samuel of the 3 wives mentioned in court proceedings. By the way, the existance of a second Thomas, son of Samuel of the 3 wives is also in question. Thomas/Sarah is named in the deed partioning the land of Samuel of the 3 wives but the informant on Sarah's death certificate indicates that it is she who is the daughter of Thomas/Hilda Osbourne and heir of Samuel rather than this Thomas. Again, the Greenbrier/Fayette Kincaids are confusing and a DNA sample from your line would be most welcome. Much has been discussed on list about this family. Now that the archives are functional again it might be of benefit to you to review all posts about the Greenbrier/Fayette Kincaids. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol" <carol60@mindspring.com> To: <KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA clarifies and terrifies > Dear list and Leslie > > In reply to an old message > > IFFFF I'm right....i have George Washington Kincaid's parents as Thomas > Kincaid(the imfamous Mountain Tom who deserted his 1st wife,Mary(Polly) > Withrow) and ran off with a Lucinda Claypool). Mary was George W's mother. > > If i have this all messed up, please let me know > > I have as Mt Tom's children with Mary > Thomas (my Line) > George Washington > William > Harvey > Andrew > Levi Lewis > Mary Catherine > Manser > > I have George Washington Kincaid's children > Rufus A > Sarah Martha > Isa Belle > Mary C > George William > Va Margaret > Daniel Thomas > Emily Frances > > Many thanks > Carol in Va > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leslie McConachie" <lesliesc@earthlink.net> > To: <KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 4:03 PM > Subject: [KINCAID] DNA clarifies and terrifies > > >> Hello to each of you, >> >> >> NEW RESULTS >> >> Yesterday we got new DNA results on samples 48219 and 35195. (These were >> even 10 days early!) >> >> >> 35195 is a DNA sample for Bill Kincaid. It comes down from Samuel >> Kincaid of early Augusta Co. though his son Samuel Kincaid/wife Margaret >> Clark. >> This sample is now listed with Group C, Set 2, and suggests a >> close relationship between Samuel Kincaid and Ruth Cherecwich's favorite >> ancestor George Kincaid/Elizabeth Dean. >> Perhaps Samuel and George are brothers, perhaps not, but they do >> fall into the same general age range and were in Augusta Co., VA, in the >> mid-1700s. They are among our earliest Kincaids. >> This may help explain the Group C results for ancestors Isaiah >> Kincaid (1262) and Robert L. Kincaid (2305) who both were born in VA but >> first surface in OH. >> Bill has a nice website where his ancestry is outlined at >> http://www.geocities.com/heartland/meadows/4756/ >> >> >> 48219 is a DNA sample coming down from George Washington >> Kincaid/Mary Catherine Campbell of Fayette and Roane Cos., WV. George >> Washington Kincaid lived 1818-1898. >> This one fell into Group A, Set 2, and is the first instance of >> this DNA in Virginia, for many of the members of that group and set go >> back to PA. >> According to the results, this man has no identified close >> relatives in VA. We obviously need more DNA samples from identified >> ancestors in this region, or listmember Bob Arnott will never get to go >> to >> an extended family reunion. Bob's ancestor George Washington Kincaid was >> born in 1818 and died in 1898. By the 1880 census of Roane Co., WV, both >> of his parents were born in VA. We're now looking for a Kincaid papa who >> was born in Virginia at some point before 1800. >> >> _______________________________________________________ >> >> >> One of the things this does is tell all of us that we've got more genetic >> diversity in Virginia than we might have thought. Sue has already pointed >> out that there could well have been several waves of Kincaid immigration >> into VA. These "new" DNA lineages could have been in PA or elsewhere for >> a >> time, or they could have come more directly from Europe. >> >> >> UPHEAVAL IN FAYETTE CO., WV >> >> The new results rule out the possibility that Toney Kincaid (33001 - >> Group >> A, Set 3) could descend from the Samuel Kincaids of Anthony Creek >> (49351 - >> Group C, Set 2). Toney's lineage has a marriage bond in Greenbrier Co. in >> 1815 on which a Samuel Kincaid gives permission for "my son" Thomas to >> marry Polly Davis. The only remaining Samuel in Greenbrier about whom we >> have any knowledge and who is old enough to be the father of Thomas seems >> to be the Samuel Kincaid who married Mary Tincher, Hulda Osborn, and >> Diana >> Ewing. >> >> Whoa, we might have expected any DNA coming down from marriage-minded >> Samuel to fall into Group A, Set 1. This puts Fayette Co., WV, into a >> snarl. >> >> It has been thought by Kincaid researchers for a very long time that >> Samuel was probably a brother to Rev.War pensioner John Kincaid/Elizabeth >> Hannah Gillespie (30078 and 36856 - DNA results coming down from James >> Gillespie Kincaid/Mary Tritt). >> >> Previous scenarios have theorized that both Samuel and Rev War John were >> sons to Thomas Kincaid/Hannah Tincher. But if Toney is Set 3, and 30078 >> and 36856 are Set 1, the brother theory is out the window. We need to >> re-analyze the records AND get some different DNA samples out of early >> Virginia/West Virginia ancestors. >> >> To this is added the point that George Washington Kincaid/Mary Catherine >> Campbell (who married in Fayette Co. in 1841) have an entirely different >> set of DNA results than we have previously found in the area, so now we >> have a burning need to find a father for him. >> >> Fayette Co. turns out to be a melting pot of many different Kincaid >> lines. >> Research there should proceed with caution. >> >> >> _______________________________________________________________ >> >> >> UPCOMING RESULTS** >> >> 22 Feb for 37-marker upgrades >> 1257 Archibald Kincaid/Rachel Hicklin >> of Augusta Co., VA >> >> 1 March for 37-marker upgrades >> 11207 James Kincade/Elizabeth Church of >> Franklin & Lewis Cos., TN >> 18496 James H. Kincaid/Caroline >> McKimsey >> of Bedford Co., TN & MO >> 47327 Ted Tomlinson of MI >> 5850 Arthur Perry Kincaid of IL >> 5806 Francis Kincaid/Isabella Markel >> of Tippecanoe, Benton and Warren Cos., IN >> >> 3 March for 12 markers >> 49951 Jim & Maggie Kincaid - our first >> Maine Kincaid line >> >> 10 March for 12 markers >> 49844 Ron Kincaid ... an >> honest-to-goodness cousin of our Peter Kincaid >> >> 15 March for 37-marker upgrade >> 44937 Robert Kincaid/Margaret Doherty >> of >> Alleghany Co., PA >> >> 17 March for 25 & 37 markers >> 49951 Jim & Maggie Kincaid - our first >> Maine Kincaid line >> >> 24 March for 25 & 37 markers >> 49844 Ron Kincaid ... an >> honest-to-goodness cousin of our Peter Kincaid >> >> About 1 April (no date set yet by FTDNA) (37 marker test) >> 51828 L.C. Kincaid - descendant of David >> Kincaid/Lucy Riggins of Maury Co., TN >> >> >> ** The extended 37-marker results for 15779 (Group A, Set 3), on John >> Adams Kincaid of Murray Co., GA, will not be coming back as scheduled on >> Feb 22. The lab was not able to culture the existing sample and sent out >> a >> kit for a new sample. The original sample came from the uncle of Joel >> Warren, but the gentleman in question is now deceased. FTDNA says it will >> try testing the first sample again, but in case that is not possible, >> we're looking for the nearest living Kincaid relative of that lineage to >> do a new test. >> >> >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> Will the following listmembers please contact me in a private message, >> for >> I have some sort of housekeeping details to clear up with each of you: >> >> Ruth Cherecwich >> Deanne Kincaid >> Carol Roy >> Brenda Beatty >> Bill Kincaid whk925@comcast.net >> Sue Stewart >> >> ____________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> DESPERATE PLEA >> >> I'll say it once again. We must add more DNA participants. We do not need >> new samples from ancestors whose DNA has already been typed, but we do >> need new participants whose lineage is in question. >> >> You can help in 2 ways. >> >> 1. You can take it upon yourselves to locate living Kincaid males whose >> DNA lineage might add to our knowledge. >> >> 2. You can donate all or part of the cost of a DNA test, for many living >> Kincaid males have no interest in family history and wouldn't think to >> join the project at any cost. >> >> You're not safe from being dunned for a donation if you're a male whose >> surname isn't Kincaid or if you're female. You should consider making a >> donation so that an appropriate DNA test for your problem ancestor can be >> covered. >> >> If you won't help, who will? >> >> Leslie >> >> >> ==== KINCAID Mailing List ==== >> THE KINCAID RESEARCHER >> www.alphalink.com.au/~kincaid >> >> > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message