Hamilton Bann Township, (then York County, PA) now Adams County, PA, borders Franklin County, PA and is closer to Hamilton Township, Franklin County and Chambersburg than it is to Carlisle.  Group C Kincaids inhabit Hamilton Township, Franklin County.  Michael Kinkead and Robert Kinkead inhabit Hamilton Bann Township.  My inclination for their possible DNA would be group A, since I believe Michael Kinkead and Robert Kinkead came from West Caln and would more likely provide a Group A sample.  I could be wrong, they could be Group C.  But so far no Group C Kinkead has traced back to Chester County, PA.  The Clingans do trace back to Chester County, PA.  Just some food for genealogical thought. Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Norman Kincaide <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 9:25:33 AM Subject: [KINCAID] Clingan family in Pennsylvania Bruce's question about the divergence in DNA between Thomas Kinkead who married Hannah Clingen and John Kinkead Jr. son of John Kinkead the Merchant of Carlisle prompted me to assemble some information on the Clingan family in Pennsylvania.  This is not complete but it gives some indications of where Group C comes into play in this scenario. Sincerely Norman Kincaide Clingan family in Pennsylvania Posted by Sue Maxwell, Dec. 6, 1999, Clingan Genforum.  George Clingan, 1720-1778, York County, PA. Researching William Clingan b. 1725 d. 9 May 1790 Chester Co., Pa. m. 1st Catherine (2) Rachel (?) Robison, Thomas Clingan b. 1722 d. 14 Oct 1788 m. 14 Aug 1752 Margaret Greer McFarland. His children were; William m. Jane Roan, Mary m. James Scott, George, & Jannet m. James Simson. George Clingan b. abt 1720 d. Apr 1778 m. abt 1749 Margaret Kirkpatrick, dau of Hugh Kirkpatrick. His children were; Edward m. 1st Elizabeth Patton 2nd Jeanette Kincaid, Mary m. Samuel Wilson, Margaret, Hannah m.. Thomas Kincaid, Elizabeth m. John Patton II, Thomas m. Elizabeth McLean, Catherine m. Levi McLain & David m. Jane. Assembled by Norman Kincaide 1771 George Clingan taxed in Donegal Township, Lancaster County, PA for 200 acres, 3 horses, 4 cows, tax             1.2.6. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 17, p.. 87. 1771 Thomas Clingan taxed in Donegal Township, Lancaster County, PA for 200 acres, 3 horses, 4 cows, tax             1.2.6. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 17, p.. 87. 1779 Thomas Clinger taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 353 acres, 6 horses, 9 cows, tax             107.19.4. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 135. 1779 Edward Clingan taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for 200 acres, 2 horses, 2 cows,          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 176. 1779 Thomas Kinkead [16491] taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for 1 cow.  Pennsylvania             Archives,  s. 3, v. 20, p. 177. 1779 Robert Kinkaid [44937] taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for 1 horse, 1 cow.          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 177. 1779 Edward Clingan, grantor, to Samuel Marshal, 2A, p. 205, April 28, 1779, Cumberland Township, York                 County,PA. 1779 George Clingan, estate, grantor, to Samuel Marshal, 2A, p. 205, April 28, 1779, Cumberland Township, York         County,PA. 1780 Edward Clingen taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for 200 acres, 3 horses, 2 cows,          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 312. 1780 Thomas Kincaide [16491] taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for 1 horse.          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 314. 1780 Robert Kinkaid [44937] taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for 1 horse, 1 cow.                          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p.. 314. 1780 John Kinkaid, [16596] freeman, taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA. Pennsylvania                     Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 316. 1780 Thomas Clingan taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 353 acres, 2 negroes, 6 horses, 9         cows, tax 98.18.6. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 280. 1781 Edward Clingan taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for 4 horses, 4 cows.          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 2o, p. 438. 1781 John Kincaide [16596] taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for 1 horse, 1 cow.           Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 440. 1781 Thomas Kincaid [16491] taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for 2 cows. Pennsylvania             Archives,  s. 3, v. 20, p. 440. 1781 Edward Clingen taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 5 horses, 4 cows, tax 1.7.11.          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 382. 1781 Thomas Clingen taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 353 acres, 9 horeses, 7 cows, tax         17.5.11. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 382. 1782 Edward Clingan taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 3 horses, 4 cows, tax 1.10.0.          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 600. 1782 Thomas Clingan taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 353 acres, 5 horeses, 6 cows, tax         32.0.0. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 600. 1783 Edward Clingan taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 6 horses, 14 cows.          Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 729. 1783 Thomas Clingan taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 354 acres, 8 horeses, 2 cows.          Pennsylvania Archives, s.. 3, v. 21, p. 729. 1787 Thomas Clingan, grantee, to Godrey Lenhart, 2E, p. 103, Oct.. 1, 1787, Hamilton Bann, Township, York County, PA. 1789 William Clingan, Chester County, PA.  Will written, Feb. 12, 1789, proved, May 13, 1790.  All lands in Chester County to be sold.  Provides for wife, not named, and to her daughter Martha 15 pounds at 18, and to the 5 sons of my wife 3 pounds  each at 18.  To Hannah Foster, widow, 15 pounds.  To Rev. George Duffield of Philadelphia, 15 pounds.  To Catherine Mustard Caramichael 15 pounds  at 18.  To William Scott, Esq. of York and his brother Patrick Scott 20 pounds each.  To Edward Clingan, son of brother George, 100 pounds, also 200 acres of Donation land in Westmoreland County.  To Thomas Clingan, Esq.. York County, his penal bill for 94 pounds, 16 shillings & 5 and 70 pounds  cash.  To David Clingan of York County, 100 pounds.  To Mary, wife of Samuel Wilson and daughter of brother George, 120 pounds.  To 3 daughters of  brother George, Hannah, Betsey, and Catherine 25 pounds each.  To William Clingan of Donegal, 200 pounds.  To Dr. George Clingan 200 pounds, and  to Jenny Clingan, their sister, 200 pounds. To the son and daughter of James Scott, being my brother Thomas’ grandchildren, 10 pounds each at 18.  To Elizabeth Haris, wife of John Templeton, 120 pounds.  To John Mooney and his sister Margaret 25 pounds each.  To William Davidson of W. Caln 12 pounds in trust for building our graveyard wall.  Remainder to William Clingan of Donegal and George, his brother, and Thomas Clingan of  York County.  Executors: wife Rachel, nephew William Clingan, William Haslett, Esq.  No record of letters.  Witnesses: Peter Whitacker, Joseph  Ash.  Wills of Chester County, PA, 1778-1800, p. 175-176.. 1791 Thomas Clingan, grantor, to Benjamin Reid, 2G, p. 129, Jan.. 31, 1791, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. 1791 David Clingan, grantor, to David Agnew, 2G, p. 241,  April 27, 1791, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. 1791 George Clingan, estate, grantor, to David Agnew, 2G, p. 241, April 27, 1791, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. 1791 George Clingan, grantee, to Thomas Clingan, 2G, p. 249, April 29, 1791, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. 1791 George Clingan, estate, grantor, to Moses McClean, 2G, p. 249, April 29, 1791, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. 1791 Thomas Clingan, grantor, to Moses McClean, 2G, p. 249, April 29, 1791, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. 1793 Elizabeth Clingan grantor, to Moses McClean, 2I, p. 298, Dec. 5, 1793, release. 1793 George Clingan, grantor, John Ray, 2I, p. 299, Dec. 5, 1793, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. 1793 George Clingan, grantee, to Elizabeth Clingan, 2I, p. 298, Dec. 5, 1793, release 1793 Thomas Clingan, grantor, to John Ray, 2I, p. 297, Dec. 5, 1793, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. 1793 Thomas Clingan, estate, grantor, to Moses McClean, 2I, p. 298, Dec. 5, 1793, release. 1794 Thomas Clingan, grantee, to Robert Bigham, 2K, p. 42, June 7, 1794, release. 1794 Thomas Clingan, grantee, to Barnabas McSherry, 2K, p. 133, Sept. 5, 1794, agreement. 1794 Thomas Clingan, grantor, to Barnabas McSherry, 2K, p. 133, Sept. 5, 1794, agreement. 1794 Thomas Clingan, grantor, Robert Bigham, 2K, p. 133, Sept.. 5, 1794, assignment.       To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Perhaps following the Patton family who were related to Edward Clingan would yield useful information. Here is a posting by Dr. David Agricola, researcher of the Pattons families in the U.S., about the Patton family of Hamilton Bann Township. Edward Clingan's first wife, before he married Jennet Kincaid, was Elizabeth Patton, daughter of a John Patton. It appears that the Patton-McCracken-Adams- Clingan families of Hamiltonbann Twp., York Co intermarried extensively and moved to the same area of Washington Co Tenn in the 1780's. http://my.stratos.net/~dvagricola/tenn.51.html (Washington Co, TN in the 1780's was probably considered to be part of North Carolina.) *********** Capt. Thomas Clingan's Company, Aug through Oct 1782. Sgt Anthony PATTON. [Anthony was born about 1759, brother to John Patton Jr, both sons of John Patton Sr of Hamiltonbann Twp. John Jr married Elizabeth Clingan, sister to Thomas Clingan. Both John and Anthony P moved to Washington Co Tenn.] http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?Clingan::patton::4605.html "I'm researching the EDWARD CLINGAN family, born 1750 in PA, married ELIZABETH PATTON in 1774. Their daughter, ELIZABETH CLINGAN married JAMES COWAN in Meigs County Tenn c 1800. " Barb Van Hout ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Clingan family in Pennsylvania > Hamilton Bann Township, (then York County, PA) now Adams County, PA, > borders Franklin County, PA and is closer to Hamilton Township, Franklin > County and Chambersburg than it is to Carlisle. Group C Kincaids inhabit > Hamilton Township, Franklin County. Michael Kinkead and Robert Kinkead > inhabit Hamilton Bann Township. My inclination for their possible DNA > would be group A, since I believe Michael Kinkead and Robert Kinkead came > from West Caln and would more likely provide a Group A sample. I could be > wrong, they could be Group C. But so far no Group C Kinkead has traced > back to Chester County, PA. The Clingans do trace back to Chester County, > PA. Just some food for genealogical thought. > > Sincerely > Norman Kincaide > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Norman Kincaide <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 9:25:33 AM > Subject: [KINCAID] Clingan family in Pennsylvania > > Bruce's question about the divergence in DNA between Thomas Kinkead who > married Hannah Clingen and John Kinkead Jr. son of John Kinkead the > Merchant of Carlisle prompted me to assemble some information on the > Clingan family in Pennsylvania. This is not complete but it gives some > indications of where Group C comes into play in this scenario. > > Sincerely > Norman Kincaide > > Clingan family in Pennsylvania > > Posted by Sue Maxwell, Dec. 6, 1999, Clingan Genforum. George Clingan, > 1720-1778, York County, PA. > > Researching William Clingan b. 1725 d. 9 May 1790 Chester Co., Pa. m. 1st > Catherine (2) Rachel (?) Robison, Thomas Clingan b. 1722 d. 14 Oct 1788 m. > 14 Aug 1752 Margaret Greer McFarland. His children were; William m. Jane > Roan, Mary m. James Scott, George, & Jannet m. James Simson. > George Clingan b. abt 1720 d. Apr 1778 m. abt 1749 Margaret Kirkpatrick, > dau of Hugh Kirkpatrick. His children were; Edward m. 1st Elizabeth Patton > 2nd Jeanette Kincaid, Mary m. Samuel Wilson, Margaret, Hannah m.. Thomas > Kincaid, Elizabeth m. John Patton II, Thomas m. Elizabeth McLean, > Catherine m. Levi McLain & David m. Jane. > > > Assembled by Norman Kincaide > > 1771 George Clingan taxed in Donegal Township, Lancaster County, PA for > 200 acres, 3 horses, 4 cows, tax 1.2.6. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. > 17, p.. 87. > 1771 Thomas Clingan taxed in Donegal Township, Lancaster County, PA for > 200 acres, 3 horses, 4 cows, tax 1.2.6. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. > 17, p.. 87. > 1779 Thomas Clinger taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for > 353 acres, 6 horses, 9 cows, tax 107.19.4. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. > 21, p. 135. > 1779 Edward Clingan taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for > 200 acres, 2 horses, 2 cows, > Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 176. > 1779 Thomas Kinkead [16491] taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, > PA for 1 cow. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 177. > 1779 Robert Kinkaid [44937] taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, > PA for 1 horse, 1 cow. > Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 177. > 1779 Edward Clingan, grantor, to Samuel Marshal, 2A, p. 205, April 28, > 1779, Cumberland Township, York County,PA. > 1779 George Clingan, estate, grantor, to Samuel Marshal, 2A, p. 205, April > 28, 1779, Cumberland Township, York County,PA. > 1780 Edward Clingen taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for > 200 acres, 3 horses, 2 cows, > Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 312. > 1780 Thomas Kincaide [16491] taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland > County, PA for 1 horse. > Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 314. > 1780 Robert Kinkaid [44937] taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, > PA for 1 horse, 1 cow. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p.. 314. > 1780 John Kinkaid, [16596] freeman, taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland > County, PA. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 316. > 1780 Thomas Clingan taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for > 353 acres, 2 negroes, 6 horses, 9 cows, tax 98.18.6. Pennsylvania > Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 280. > 1781 Edward Clingan taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, PA for > 4 horses, 4 cows. > Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 2o, p. 438. > 1781 John Kincaide [16596] taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, > PA for 1 horse, 1 cow. > Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 440. > 1781 Thomas Kincaid [16491] taxed in Hamilton Township, Cumberland County, > PA for 2 cows. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 20, p. 440. > 1781 Edward Clingen taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 5 > horses, 4 cows, tax 1.7.11. > Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 382. > 1781 Thomas Clingen taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for > 353 acres, 9 horeses, 7 cows, tax 17.5.11. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. > 21, p. 382. > 1782 Edward Clingan taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 3 > horses, 4 cows, tax 1.10.0. > Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 600. > 1782 Thomas Clingan taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for > 353 acres, 5 horeses, 6 cows, tax 32.0.0. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. > 21, p. 600. > 1783 Edward Clingan taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for 6 > horses, 14 cows. > Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 21, p. 729. > 1783 Thomas Clingan taxed in Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA for > 354 acres, 8 horeses, 2 cows. > Pennsylvania Archives, s.. 3, v. 21, p. 729. > 1787 Thomas Clingan, grantee, to Godrey Lenhart, 2E, p. 103, Oct.. 1, > 1787, Hamilton Bann, Township, York County, PA. > > 1789 William Clingan, Chester County, PA. Will written, Feb. 12, 1789, > proved, May 13, 1790. > > All lands in Chester County to be sold. Provides for wife, not named, and > to her daughter Martha 15 pounds at 18, and to the 5 sons of my wife 3 > pounds each at 18. To Hannah Foster, widow, 15 pounds. To Rev. George > Duffield of Philadelphia, 15 pounds. To Catherine Mustard Caramichael 15 > pounds > at 18. To William Scott, Esq. of York and his brother Patrick Scott 20 > pounds each. To Edward Clingan, son of brother George, 100 pounds, also > 200 acres of Donation land in Westmoreland County. To Thomas Clingan, > Esq.. York County, his penal bill for 94 pounds, 16 shillings & 5 and 70 > pounds cash. To David Clingan of York County, 100 pounds. To Mary, wife of > Samuel Wilson and daughter of brother George, 120 pounds. To 3 daughters > of brother George, Hannah, Betsey, and Catherine 25 pounds each. To > William Clingan of Donegal, 200 pounds. To Dr. George Clingan 200 pounds, > and to Jenny Clingan, their sister, 200 pounds. To the son and daughter of > James Scott, being my brother Thomas’ grandchildren, 10 pounds each at 18. > To Elizabeth Haris, wife of John Templeton, 120 pounds. To John Mooney and > his sister Margaret 25 pounds each. To William Davidson of W. Caln 12 > pounds in trust for building our graveyard wall. Remainder to William > Clingan of Donegal and George, his brother, and Thomas Clingan of York > County. Executors: wife Rachel, nephew William Clingan, William Haslett, > Esq. No record of letters. Witnesses: Peter Whitacker, Joseph > Ash. Wills of Chester County, PA, 1778-1800, p. 175-176.. > > 1791 Thomas Clingan, grantor, to Benjamin Reid, 2G, p. 129, Jan.. 31, > 1791, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. > 1791 David Clingan, grantor, to David Agnew, 2G, p. 241, April 27, 1791, > Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. > 1791 George Clingan, estate, grantor, to David Agnew, 2G, p. 241, April > 27, 1791, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. > 1791 George Clingan, grantee, to Thomas Clingan, 2G, p. 249, April 29, > 1791, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. > 1791 George Clingan, estate, grantor, to Moses McClean, 2G, p. 249, April > 29, 1791, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. > 1791 Thomas Clingan, grantor, to Moses McClean, 2G, p. 249, April 29, > 1791, Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. > 1793 Elizabeth Clingan grantor, to Moses McClean, 2I, p. 298, Dec. 5, > 1793, release. > 1793 George Clingan, grantor, John Ray, 2I, p. 299, Dec. 5, 1793, Hamilton > Bann Township, York County, PA. > 1793 George Clingan, grantee, to Elizabeth Clingan, 2I, p. 298, Dec. 5, > 1793, release > 1793 Thomas Clingan, grantor, to John Ray, 2I, p. 297, Dec. 5, 1793, > Hamilton Bann Township, York County, PA. > 1793 Thomas Clingan, estate, grantor, to Moses McClean, 2I, p. 298, Dec. > 5, 1793, release. > 1794 Thomas Clingan, grantee, to Robert Bigham, 2K, p. 42, June 7, 1794, > release. > 1794 Thomas Clingan, grantee, to Barnabas McSherry, 2K, p. 133, Sept. 5, > 1794, agreement. > 1794 Thomas Clingan, grantor, to Barnabas McSherry, 2K, p. 133, Sept. 5, > 1794, agreement. > 1794 Thomas Clingan, grantor, Robert Bigham, 2K, p. 133, Sept.. 5, 1794, > assignment. > > > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message