Peter, Do you have an opinion about the Kincaid families of Ardstraw in County Tyrone---which group of the following two Kincaid families did they descend from? Peter wrote in Dec., 2002: Like any other area that people emigrated to you will get a >mix of Kincaids of different lines. In Ireland there does not >appear to have been many Kincaid lines and the locale they >are from is key. In terms of connections back to Scotland >I believe a few can and will be identified. There seems to >be two lines in County Tyrone. The first likely is the oldest >and I believe stems from Andrew and/or John Kincaid, sons of >James Kincaid of that Ilk (m. Christian Leslie). My thoughts >are that their decendants are in the area Donagheady Parish >(which lies on the border with County Derry and Donegal). http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/KINCAID/2002-12/1040339855 Donagheady 1664 Kinkead John Grange p. 12 of Hearth Money Rolls Hearth money rolls In the 1660s the government introduced a tax on hearths as a means of raising revenue. The returns, arranged by parish and usually with townland locations, list the names of all householders paying this tax survive for half the counties in Ireland with coverage most complete in Ulster. The hearth money rolls cannot be taken as a complete record of every household in the areas covered. There seems to have been considerable evasion, while for many houses of a less permanent nature occupied by Irish families no hearth tax was paid. The original hearth money rolls were destroyed in Dublin in 1922, but copies, in many cases typescript versions, had been made of much of them prior to this. For the parish of Donagheady there are two surviving hearth money rolls, one undated, but reckoned to date from c.1664 and the other from 1666. For the parish of Leckpatrick there is only a hearth money roll from 1666. http://www.breadyancestry.com/index.php?id=leckpatrick GRIFFITHS VALUATION DONAGHEDY Name and Lessor Creaghan Gleber Hon and Rev Douglas Gordon F/H Parochial School House Andrew Ferguson Hon and Rev Dougas Gordon David Kincaid Andrew Ferguson John Cooke " " James Baird Hon and Rev Dougas Gordon Moses Tait Hon and Rev Dougas Gordon William Cunningham Moses Tait George Ellis Hon and Rev Dougas Gordon Robert Kays George Ellis John Highland Hon and Rev Dougas Gordon http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/CoTyroneIreland/2001-10/1002486205 No dates were given for the David Kincaid in the Donaghedy Griffiths Valuation above. >Then there is the line the Kinkeads of Baron's Court (ie. >Rev. Joseph Kinkead). Their paper trail goes back to the >late 1600s and the tradition of one branch holds that they >descend from the Kincaids of Auchreoch in Scotland. A >lot of the Virginia Kincaids seem to stem from this family >according to DNA. Barbara Van Hout

Thank you Don for pointing this out. I missed noting that 130629 does have a mutation the others in A-2b do not have. It is a 17 at marker 25 (464d). This is a rapidly mutating site. Until someone else in the subset shows up with it, it does not affect the possibility of ancestry. Sue Liedtke

Nothing really has changes as little new information has come to light. Things are speculative right now. We really need to comb through the US census records to identify lines directly from Scotland, weed through these to find some that can be linked to a paper trail in Scotland, and then find male descendants to participate in the DNA project. One of the main goals I had for the DNA project was to have participants with paper trails people can attached to. We have lots of participants but most are dead enders. We really need more participants with a good paper trail. To put things in perspective, of all the Group A Kincaids tested we only have two with a decent paper trail overseas (2617 and 23547). Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Van Hout To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:49 AM Subject: [KINCAID] Kincaid families of County Tyrone Peter, Do you have an opinion about the Kincaid families of Ardstraw in County Tyrone---which group of the following two Kincaid families did they descend from? Peter wrote in Dec., 2002: Like any other area that people emigrated to you will get a >mix of Kincaids of different lines. In Ireland there does not >appear to have been many Kincaid lines and the locale they >are from is key. In terms of connections back to Scotland >I believe a few can and will be identified. There seems to >be two lines in County Tyrone. The first likely is the oldest >and I believe stems from Andrew and/or John Kincaid, sons of >James Kincaid of that Ilk (m. Christian Leslie). My thoughts >are that their decendants are in the area Donagheady Parish >(which lies on the border with County Derry and Donegal). http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/KINCAID/2002-12/1040339855 Donagheady 1664 Kinkead John Grange p. 12 of Hearth Money Rolls Hearth money rolls In the 1660s the government introduced a tax on hearths as a means of raising revenue. The returns, arranged by parish and usually with townland locations, list the names of all householders paying this tax survive for half the counties in Ireland with coverage most complete in Ulster. The hearth money rolls cannot be taken as a complete record of every household in the areas covered. There seems to have been considerable evasion, while for many houses of a less permanent nature occupied by Irish families no hearth tax was paid. The original hearth money rolls were destroyed in Dublin in 1922, but copies, in many cases typescript versions, had been made of much of them prior to this. For the parish of Donagheady there are two surviving hearth money rolls, one undated, but reckoned to date from c.1664 and the other from 1666. For the parish of Leckpatrick there is only a hearth money roll from 1666. http://www.breadyancestry.com/index.php?id=leckpatrick GRIFFITHS VALUATION DONAGHEDY Name and Lessor Creaghan Gleber Hon and Rev Douglas Gordon F/H Parochial School House Andrew Ferguson Hon and Rev Dougas Gordon David Kincaid Andrew Ferguson John Cooke " " James Baird Hon and Rev Dougas Gordon Moses Tait Hon and Rev Dougas Gordon William Cunningham Moses Tait George Ellis Hon and Rev Dougas Gordon Robert Kays George Ellis John Highland Hon and Rev Dougas Gordon http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/CoTyroneIreland/2001-10/1002486205 No dates were given for the David Kincaid in the Donaghedy Griffiths Valuation above. >Then there is the line the Kinkeads of Baron's Court (ie. >Rev. Joseph Kinkead). Their paper trail goes back to the >late 1600s and the tradition of one branch holds that they >descend from the Kincaids of Auchreoch in Scotland. A >lot of the Virginia Kincaids seem to stem from this family >according to DNA.

These Hamilton families below have a connection to Donagheady Parish in County Tyrone, according to the notes. These three family lines all match in Group B of the Hamilton DNA project. Some of the early County Tyrone Kincaids lived on the Hamilton/Duke of Abercorn estates. http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/g/a/gah4/HamDNA/EAnc.html. ******************************* H-256 is derived from the Maymore Hamilton line of St Johnston, Co Donegal, Ireland, previously of Gortavey and Magheramason, Donagheady Parish, and Leat, Co Tyrone. This line is derived from Lord Claud Hamilton (about 1543-1622) of the Abercorn line through his son Sir Claud Hamilton of Shawfield and Manor Elieston and grandson Sir William Hamilton of Manor Elieston. Like others in the Abercorn line Lord Claud Hamilton is a descendant of Sir James Hamilton of Cadzow who was married to Janet Livingston and died about 1440. For more information on the Maymore Hamiltons see the book "The Maymore Hamiltons and Related Families" compiled by John Leslie Hamilton and privately published in 2000. H-256 is an eleventh cousin once removed of H-139 and, like him, is related to H-203, H-230 and H-188 ****************************** H-045 Archibald Henry Hamilton, b 1704 Laggin District, Northern Ireland, m Frances Calhoun. In 1733 Archibald and Frances emigrated to Augusta Co, VA. Son Major Andrew Hamilton, b abt 1740 Augusta Co, VA, m Jane McGill; they and many of their descendants lived in Abbeville, SC. The father of Archibald Henry Hamilton (b 1704) is thought to be Audley Harrison Hamilton and that he was the brother of Judith Hamilton who married Alexander Calhoun; Judith and Alexander were the parents of Archibald's wife Frances. If this is so, then Archibald's ancestry is known (see the 1933 book by George Hamilton titled "The House of Hamilton" for further details) back to Andrew Hamilton, b 1613, prebendary of Kilskerry, Co Tyrone, Ireland and rector of Magheracross, Co Fermanagh, 1639-1662, d aft 1680, m Rebecca Galbraith from Mountgavelin, Northern Ireland. Their son Rev. James Hamilton, b 1638, prebendary of Kilskerry 1662-1666, in 1667 rector of Donagheady, Co Tyrone, and Taghboyne, Co Donegal, styled of Mountgavelin, Archdeacon of Raphoe 1674/5 and Chaplain to the Earl of Arran, d abt 1685, m Catherine Leslie. James and Catherine were the parents of Judith and possibly of Audley Harrison Hamilton. H-045 is a first cousin once removed of H-157, a second cousin once removed of H-170 and a fourth cousin once removed of H-096. He is also a relative of H-130 *********** H-130 Archibald Hamilton, b 1704 Laggin District, Co Tyrone, Northern Ireland, m Frances Calhoun. In 1733 Archibald and Frances emigrated to Augusta Co, VA. H-130 is a descendant of their son William Hamilton who m Patience Craig. Thus, he is a relative of H-045, H-157, H-170, H-222 and H-096 and the ancestry of Archibald Hamilton is presumably the same as that suggested in H-045 http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/g/a/gah4/HamDNA/EAnc.html. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A. Kincaid" <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Kincaid families of County Tyrone > Nothing really has changes as little new information has > come to light. Things are speculative right now. We > really need to comb through the US census records to > identify lines directly from Scotland, weed through these > to find some that can be linked to a paper trail in Scotland, > and then find male descendants to participate in the DNA > project. One of the main goals I had for the DNA project > was to have participants with paper trails people can > attached to. We have lots of participants but most are > dead enders. We really need more participants with a > good paper trail. To put things in perspective, of all the > Group A Kincaids tested we only have two with a decent > paper trail overseas (2617 and 23547). > > Peter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Barbara Van Hout > To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:49 AM > Subject: [KINCAID] Kincaid families of County Tyrone > > > Peter, > Do you have an opinion about the Kincaid families of Ardstraw in County > Tyrone---which group of the following two Kincaid families did they > descend from? > > Peter wrote in Dec., 2002: > > Like any other area that people emigrated to you will get a > >mix of Kincaids of different lines. In Ireland there does not > >appear to have been many Kincaid lines and the locale they > >are from is key. In terms of connections back to Scotland > >I believe a few can and will be identified. There seems to > >be two lines in County Tyrone. The first likely is the oldest > >and I believe stems from Andrew and/or John Kincaid, sons of > >James Kincaid of that Ilk (m. Christian Leslie). My thoughts > >are that their decendants are in the area Donagheady Parish > >(which lies on the border with County Derry and Donegal). > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/KINCAID/2002-12/1040339855 > > > Donagheady 1664 Kinkead John Grange > > p. 12 of Hearth Money Rolls > Hearth money rolls > > In the 1660s the government introduced a tax on hearths as a means of > raising revenue. The returns, arranged by parish and usually with townland > locations, list the names of all householders paying this tax survive for > half the counties in Ireland with coverage most complete in Ulster. The > hearth money rolls cannot be taken as a complete record of every household > in the areas covered. There seems to have been considerable evasion, while > for many houses of a less permanent nature occupied by Irish families no > hearth tax was paid. The original hearth money rolls were destroyed in > Dublin in 1922, but copies, in many cases typescript versions, had been > made of much of them prior to this. For the parish of Donagheady there are > two surviving hearth money rolls, one undated, but reckoned to date from > c.1664 and the other from 1666. For the parish of Leckpatrick there is > only a hearth money roll from 1666. > > http://www.breadyancestry.com/index.php?id=leckpatrick > > > GRIFFITHS VALUATION > DONAGHEDY > Name and Lessor > Creaghan Gleber > > Hon and Rev Douglas Gordon F/H > Parochial School House > Andrew Ferguson Hon and Rev Dougas Gordon > David Kincaid Andrew Ferguson > John Cooke " " > James Baird Hon and Rev Dougas Gordon > Moses Tait Hon and Rev Dougas Gordon > William Cunningham Moses Tait > George Ellis Hon and Rev Dougas Gordon > Robert Kays George Ellis > John Highland Hon and Rev Dougas Gordon > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/CoTyroneIreland/2001-10/1002486205 > > No dates were given for the David Kincaid in the Donaghedy Griffiths > Valuation above. > > > >Then there is the line the Kinkeads of Baron's Court (ie. > >Rev. Joseph Kinkead). Their paper trail goes back to the > >late 1600s and the tradition of one branch holds that they > >descend from the Kincaids of Auchreoch in Scotland. A > >lot of the Virginia Kincaids seem to stem from this family > >according to DNA. > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message