Hempfield Township is south of Salem and southwest of Derry Township and northwest of Mount Pleasant Township, Westmoreland County, PA where Andrew Kincaid & John Kincaid, sons of George Kincaid reside in 1790.  Andrew being first there in 1783.  Also I am looking at where sample [15550] falls, into Group A, where my sample 4164 falls. Sincerely Norman Kincaide 1783 Andrew Kinkead [000017] taxed in Mount Pleasant Township, Westmorland County, PA for 1 horse, 2         cows, 2 sheep.  Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 22, p. 522. 1785 Andrew Kincaid, [000017] Mount Pleasant Township, Westmoreland County, PA, son of George Kinkead, [4164] deeded land from  William Tindell of Derry Township, Westmoreland County, PA, May 18, 1785, Recorded July 26, 1816.  Westmoreland County Deed Book, vol. 12, p. 44. 1786 Andrew Kinkade, [000017] landlord, taxed in Mount Pleasant Township, Westmoreland County, PA at         2.4 pounds.  Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 22, p. 522; Tax Lists Westmoreland County, PA 1786-                1810. 1786 Andrew Kinkead [000017] taxed in Derry Township, Westmoreland County, PA for 1.1 pounds.                      Pennsylvania Archives,  s. 3, v. 22, p. 530. 1790 Andrew Kinkead, [000017] Derry Township, Westmoreland County, PA, 1 male over 16, 4 males under         16, 2 females.. USFC, p. 260. 1790 John Kinkead, [4164] Salem Township, Westmoreland County, PA, 1 male over 16, 1 male under 16, 5         females. USFC, p. 266. 1790 Matthew McClerron, [4164] Derry Township, Westmoreland County, PA, 1 male over 16, 5 females.             USFC, p. 260. Westmoreland County, PA below are the sons of Andrew Kinkead, son of George Kinkead.. 1840 Andrew Kinkead, [000017] Loyalhan Township, Westmoreland County, PA, 1 male 50-60, 1 female 50-        60, 1 female 10-15, 2 females  5-10. USFC, Roll 498, p. 306. 1840 George Kinkead, [000017] Derry Township, Westmoreland County, PA, 1 male 60-70, 1 male 15-20, 1         female 50-60, 2 females  15-20, 1 female 10-15, . USFC, Roll 498, p. 315. Also James W. Kinkead has that land by virtue of marriage, not from any Kincaid bequeath. 1853 James Kinkead [15550] & wife Lidia sold 84 ½ acres on Feb. 19, 1853, formerly belonging to Phillip             Kuhn who died & left land to  Margaret who married James Kinkead then died leaving the land to James         Kinkead.  Westmoreland County PA, Deed Book Vol. 37, p. 344; Chester County Historical Society,             West Chester, PA, Kincaid file ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@primus.ca> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 4:39:23 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kinkead, Coroner & Recorder of Westmoreland County, PA I am getting confused by the references to Hempfield township.  The only thing solid we have for James Kincaid who married Margaret Kuhns was that he was of Hempfield township at the time of his marriages. Why would you place him in Cumberland County as opposed to tying him to the Kincaids in Hempfield township in the 1770s? Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kinkead,Coroner & Recorder of Westmoreland County, PA > However, James Kinkead who married Margaret Kuhns is not the immediate > offspring of James Kinkead the coroner of Westmoreland County, PA. James > Kinkead, coroner of Westmoreland County, PA was married to Mary Simeral, > sister to John Simeral who married Mary Kinkead, daughter of John Kinkead > of Sadsbury Township, Chester County, PA. See below from John Kinkead of > Sadsbury Township's will: > . Item, I give & bequeath to my well beloved son James fifty pounds in > cash to him or heirs. All which legacies I do hereby order my beloved son > Charles to pay in the following order, viz: at the expiration of one whole > year after my decease to John Sumrall & Thomas Killpatrick the above > bequeathed twelve pounds to each of them & 25 pounds to my son James being > the one half of his share. And at the end of two years after my death to > pay to my said son James his remaining 25 pounds in full of his legacy, > and to my son Samuel the 20 pounds as above bequeathed to him. > Bedford County, PA (Hempfield Township would fall into Westmoreland > County, PA when it was formed on Feb. 26, 1773, although these men are on > the Bedford County, PA tax list they were actually in Westmoreland County > from Feb. 1773. > > 1773 James Kenkead [000013] taxed in Hempfield Township, Bedford County, > PA at 2.0. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 22, p. 28. > 1773 John Simeral taxed in Hempfield Township, Bedford County, PA at 1.0. > Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 22, p. 29. > 1773 Thomas Kilpatrick taxed in Hempfield Township, Bedford County, PA at > 1.0. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 22, p. 29. > 1773 James Kinkead [000013] brother-in-law, appointed executor of John > Sumrall’s will, of Westmoreland County, PA, will written, Feb. 24, 1773, > proved, April 8, 1773. Chester County Historical Society, West Chester, > PA, Kincaid file. > > I have been trying to figure out what happened to James Kinkead, coroner > of Westmoreland County, PA. I keep looking at the James Kinkead who died > in Brooke County, VA (later Brooke County, WV) in 1812. And the Board of > Property case between Kinkead v Stone. And I don't know how much to credit > the story about James Kinkead of Brooke County, VA having an estate in > Ireland. Below is information from Alice Gedge: > > (4) 1797: Moved to WV, about 6 miles from Steubenville, OH, in the > neighborhood known as Cross Creek. Located near Holliday's Cove on > Harmon's Creek about 3-4 miles from where this creek empties into the Ohio > River. The homestead is about 3 miles up Harmon's Creek back up the hills > along the creek from what is now Colliers Station, one mile from the > summit of the hills. > (4) Brothers John and James KINKADE purchased, for 101 pounds 5 shillings, > 270 acres from the heirs of John Lee WEBSTER, who held the patent on the > land. (1c) The original KINKADE and ADAMS farm consisted of 270 acres > which were patented to John WEBSTER by Gov. RANDOLPH in 1787. > (4) 1802, 26 Apr: John and James KINKADE conveyed to William ADAMS, for > $742, the north half of their 270 acre tract. This land continued as the > KINKADE and ADAMS homesteads until sold by the heirs. The KINKADE > homestead was sold to James MARSH. The ADAMS homestead was sold to J.Q. > CRISS, whose heirs still owned the land in 1901. > (4c) 1803: James KINKADE received a patent for land. > (4c) John KINKADE conveyed his interest in their half of the homestead > lands to James KINKADE. > > (4b) 1812: He was getting ready to go to Ireland to claim the "estate and > title" when he became ill and died. > He was offered 500 guineas and 300 acres of land for his interest in the > estate in the North of Ireland. > > (4) 1812, 9 Oct: James KINKADE wrote his will. Left his wife Nancy the 1/3 > part of the real estate for use during her life and 1/3 of all the > personal property. Left to his son John 40 acres to be delivered after one > year, provided he lives with the family and is careful and industrious > during the term of that year and makes no charges for his work. He was > also given the black mare, the best saddle and the big plow, one par of > horse gears, an axe, and 1/4 of the fall gain that was growing. Gave to > daughter Eleanor one bed and bedding, one colt, one heifer, two sheep, and > a new saddle. To his dauther Jane he gave equal property to that given to > Eleanor as to quality and quantity. To his daughter Mary Ann and Ruthanna > he gave each $79. The remainder of his estate was to be divided among his > 4 youngest sons - the whole was to be at the disposal of his wife during > her widowhood, for the maintenance of her family and the schooling of her > children. > (4) His estate, as enumerated, indicates that he was a well-to-do farmer. > It included wagons, plows, horse-gear, pack saddles, men's saddles, and > women's saddles, wheat, oats, rye, corn, hay, flax, 10 horses, a humber of > hogs, geese, coes, sheep, potatoes, turnips, a loom and spinning wheels, > rifle, dresser, several bedsteads, woolen yarn, flax seed and a large > number of small articles. > > I'm still not convinced that it is James Kinkead, the Coroner from > Westmoreland County, PA. > I still think that James Kinkead who married Margaret Kuhns was the son of > John Kinkead who married Mary Lee in Carlisle, PA in: > 1796 John Kincaid [15550] married Mary Lee at First Presbyterian Church, > Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA on April 27, 1796. Cumberland County > Historical Society, Carlisle, PA > The above John Kincaid I believe to be the son of James Kinkead of West > Pennsboro, Cumberland County, PA. These were later the Kincaids of > Dickinson Township, Cumberland County, PA. > Sincerely > Norman Kincaide > > Sincerely > Norman Kincaide > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@primus.ca> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 1:42:26 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kinkead, Coroner & Recorder of Westmoreland > County, PA > > I think the results for sample 119921 (a reputed descendant of the > Sadsbury > Kincaids) elimates the likelihood that James Kincaid (m. Margaret Kuhns) > of > Westmoreland County, PA (represented by sample 15550) is of the Sadsbury > Kincaids. > > Peter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman..kincaide@yahoo..com> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:10 AM > Subject: [KINCAID] James Kinkead, Coroner & Recorder of Westmoreland > County,PA > > >> Dear Kincaid-listers, I have also found more on James Kinkead, Coroner & >> Recorder of Westmoreland County, PA. I am now pretty sure that Samuel >> Kinkead (died 1840) of Butler County, PA is the son of James Kinkead of >> Westmoreland County, PA. The proximity of John Kinkead, formerly of >> Lancaster County, PA and James Kinkead, Recorder of Westmoreland County, >> PA to the John and James Kinkead of Smith Township, Washington County, PA >> also make me believe that they are related to them. This is the territory >> of the Kincaids from the Ben Dixon book. I now have enough circumstancial >> evidence to place them within the Sadsbury, West Caln, East Caln >> Townships, Chester County, PA Kincaid family cluster. I still haven't >> found where or when James Kinkead, Recorder died, but Armstrong County, >> PA >> might be the place to look. >> Sincerely >> Norman Kincaide > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb..com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't see sample 15550 as being closely related to your 4164. Sample 15550 is closer to 2519. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kinkead,Coroner & Recorder of Westmoreland County, PA > Hempfield Township is south of Salem and southwest of Derry Township and > northwest of Mount Pleasant Township, Westmoreland County, PA where Andrew > Kincaid & John Kincaid, sons of George Kincaid reside in 1790. Andrew > being first there in 1783. Also I am looking at where sample [15550] > falls, into Group A, where my sample 4164 falls.