Sue, Peter, Don: Anything to be gained by us going for the new tests below? Dick Kinkead 2562 ----- Original Message ----- From: <westons@ns.sympatico.ca> To: <rkinkead11@comcast.net> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 9:35 PM Subject: New L-series SNPs offered by FTDNA This message has been processed by the FTDNA Email System. The original headers are: To: westons@ns.sympatico.ca;Dan.Draghici@international.gc.ca Cc: Bcc: rkinkead11@comcast.net The original message follows below: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just last week several new yDNA SNPs appeared on the "advanced orders" menu of FTDNA customers. Two of these SNPs are relevant to those who are U106+ - all those who are members of this project. These are L5 and L6, which are priced at $39 each or both for the price of $69. This caused a lot of excitement on a couple of the genetic genealogy discussion lists, which some of you may have seen. Based on this 14 members of our project have ordered these SNPs. Yesterday, Dr. Thomas Krahn of FTDNA finally had the chance to post detailed descriptions of the 12 L-series SNPs, including L5 and L6, on the Genealogy-DNA list at Rootsweb.com. Here are links to those postings: An overview of the method by which the L-series SNPs were discovered - http://tinyurl.com/5txnmr Information on L5 - http://tinyurl.com/6pjbwd Information on L6 - http://tinyurl.com/68fy66 There was some dismay on the list once people read Dr. Krahn's postings. Basically, only one of the SNPs, L2, has been tested and found in men with different surnames and no known relations. All the other L-series SNPs are what is called a "family SNP." This means that, at the present level of testing, they may be very recent SNPs that have occurred within a specific paternal line. In the case of L5 and L6, they were found in men who have tested as U106+. So, there is a chance, small, that they may occur in unrelated men who are also U106+. The chances are much larger that everyone outside these paternal lines will be negative for L5 and L6. Of course, the choice is up to you whether you order these two new SNPs. If you feel that it would be a waste of money to order a test with a low chance of testing positive, then the best thing to do is not to order these SNPs. If you can spare the money for testing either or both of these SNPs and are enthusiastic about the chance, however small, that you might help establish a new subclade for our haplogroup, then by all means order the SNPs. In the case of the 14 members who ordered the SNPs without fully being informed about the SNPs and the chances of being positive, if you feel that you ordered the SNPs without a full understanding of what you were ordering, you can request a refund. Thomas Krahn posted today on the Rootsweb list that FTDNA will honor any refund request from those who ordered any of the L-series SNPs before his postings with detailed information appeared yesterday. If you have any questions about these SNPs, please write David Weston at westons@ns.sympatico.ca

I'd wait until more is learned about them. For now it is more of an experiment to see if it will break up the U106/S21+ group that you are part of. They are really family SNPs. I'd say the odds are high Group A Kincaids don't have them. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Kinkead" <rkinkead11@comcast.net> To: "Genealogy, KINCAID" <KINCAID@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:39 AM Subject: [KINCAID] Fw: New L-series SNPs offered by FTDNA > Sue, Peter, Don: > > Anything to be gained by us going for the new tests below? > > Dick Kinkead 2562 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <westons@ns.sympatico.ca> > To: <rkinkead11@comcast.net> > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 9:35 PM > Subject: New L-series SNPs offered by FTDNA > > > This message has been processed by the FTDNA Email System. > The original headers are: > To: westons@ns.sympatico.ca;Dan.Draghici@international.gc.ca > Cc: > Bcc: rkinkead11@comcast.net > The original message follows below: > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Just last week several new yDNA SNPs appeared on the "advanced orders" > menu > of FTDNA customers. Two of these SNPs are relevant to those who are > U106+ - > all those who are members of this project. These are L5 and L6, which are > priced at $39 each or both for the price of $69. > > This caused a lot of excitement on a couple of the genetic genealogy > discussion lists, which some of you may have seen. Based on this 14 > members > of our project have ordered these SNPs. Yesterday, Dr. Thomas Krahn of > FTDNA > finally had the chance to post detailed descriptions of the 12 L-series > SNPs, including L5 and L6, on the Genealogy-DNA list at Rootsweb.com. Here > are links to those postings: > > An overview of the method by which the L-series SNPs were discovered - > http://tinyurl.com/5txnmr > Information on L5 - http://tinyurl.com/6pjbwd > Information on L6 - http://tinyurl.com/68fy66 > > There was some dismay on the list once people read Dr. Krahn's postings. > Basically, only one of the SNPs, L2, has been tested and found in men with > different surnames and no known relations. All the other L-series SNPs are > what is called a "family SNP." This means that, at the present level of > testing, they may be very recent SNPs that have occurred within a specific > paternal line. In the case of L5 and L6, they were found in men who have > tested as U106+. So, there is a chance, small, that they may occur in > unrelated men who are also U106+. The chances are much larger that > everyone > outside these paternal lines will be negative for L5 and L6. > > Of course, the choice is up to you whether you order these two new SNPs. > If > you feel that it would be a waste of money to order a test with a low > chance > of testing positive, then the best thing to do is not to order these SNPs. > If you can spare the money for testing either or both of these SNPs and > are > enthusiastic about the chance, however small, that you might help > establish > a new subclade for our haplogroup, then by all means order the SNPs. > > In the case of the 14 members who ordered the SNPs without fully being > informed about the SNPs and the chances of being positive, if you feel > that > you ordered the SNPs without a full understanding of what you were > ordering, > you can request a refund. Thomas Krahn posted today on the Rootsweb list > that FTDNA will honor any refund request from those who ordered any of the > L-series SNPs before his postings with detailed information appeared > yesterday. > > If you have any questions about these SNPs, please write David Weston at > westons@ns.sympatico.ca