Sue, Since Andrew and Ann Pogue died in Fleming Co, I would guess that early records for them might appear in Mason Co, KY. I agree, Andrew Kincaid and Mary Caldwell are most probably the family in the early Bourbon Co, KY records. If the 200 acres mentioned on Flat Run in 1788 is in present Bath county, it would be in the NW section of the County. I have not found any traces of the unknown Thomas except for the tax record and the census record. He could be the son of John and Margaret of Versailles. Do you have any idea of the origins of  this John Kincaid ? 1810 Montgomery Co, KY NTL  p379-42 John Kincaid 1 2 0 1 0 * 3 0 0 1 0 - same page George Rout, Moses Hendrix. Did he have a daughter Nancy Kincaid m Mose Rout 7-17-1823 Fleming Co?  Any relationship to David Kincaid p358-17: 0 0 1 1 1 * 0 2 1 0 0 (I haven't found records for him either) 1820 Bath Co, KY - Owingsville p188-34 John Kinkaid 1 0 0 3 1 0 * 1 1 1 0 1 David Kincaid 0 0 0 0 0 * 0 0 0 0 1  p150-29 - since the listing is for David,is the 1 in the wrong place here? 1830 Bath Co, KY - Owingsville p220-11 John Kingcade and wife 50-60, 1m 15-20, 1m 20-30 in the town of Owingsville p228-22 John Kincade and wife 50-60, 1m 15-20, 1m 20-30 (is this the same person re-counted in the district or an additional John?) 1830 Decatur Co, IN - Fugit Twp 406 Joseph K Rankin 30-40, wife Rebecca Kincaid 20-30 m 2-7-1825 Bath Co 408 Joseph Kinkade 2 males 30-40, wife Nancy Rogers 20-30, 1m 0-5, 1m 5-10, 1f 5-10 (brother David with him?)     m Nancy Rogery 9-9-1822 Bath Co 1840 Decatur Co, IN - Fugit Twp 74 Joseph Kincaid 40-50, wife 40-50 75 John Kincaid Sr 50-60, wife 60-70, 1m 20-30 75 John Kincaid Jr 20-30, wife 20-30 76 Joseph K Ranken 40-50, wife 30-40, 1m 10-15 1850 Decatur Co, IN - Fugit Twp 35 Hiram Kinkead 32 bKY, Nancy 26 bKY, James W 4 bIN, Malissa 2, John 4/12 78 Joseph Kincaid 53 bKY, Nancy 47 bKY, John 24 bKY, James 21 bIN and more 81 John Kincaid 37 bKY, Nancy E 25 bKY, Martha 9 bIN and more 82 David Kincaid 49 bKY, Nancy 40 bKY, William Rodgers 16 bIL, John C Kincaid 3 bIN, David 1 and Jane Reilly 50 bKY, deaf and dumb, Ellen Frazier 17 bK, Robert Jones 25 bVA black (hmmm - did you have to be named Nancy to marry into this family?) There are also records for Archibald Kincaid m Rebecca Thompson abt 1805 in Rowan Co,NC. They came to Bath Co 1816-1820. His father was James, mother Hannah. DNA says he is related to Andrew/Archibald. Robert Kincaid m Rebecca Evans came to Bath County about 1827 from Clark Co. I think Barbara thinks he is a possible son of John/Elizabeth Logan of Washington Co, VA. He had eleven children: daughters Margaret and Rhoda, and possibly Sally and Elizabeth. He had sons James, Joseph, Lot, Evan, Asa and John and possibly Charles by an unknown White. Judy   ----- Original Message ---- From: Sue Liedtke <seleaml@actionnet.net> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2008 11:43:27 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] George Kincaid/Polly Heaton I think this Andrew may be Andrew m Mary Caldwell 1777 Botetourt Co. VA. Mary's father Samuel was living at the head of Indian Creek near what became Union, Monroe Co. WVA at the time. Mary's full brother James' MO estate papers do not mention a brother William, however, there was a William Caldwell who appears near Samuel Caldwell in VA. Some researchers believe that Samuel did have a son William. He may be the Capt. Andrew Kincaid who appears in KY with a tie to Greenbrier Co. (Monroe from Greenbrier from Botetourt).  He died in MO and his family was well known to James's administrator. Walter Caldwell was named in his 1/2 brother James' estate papers Capt. William & Eleanor Gay Kincaid's son Andrew m Ann Pogue. Capt. Wm d in Woodford Co KY. Andrew and Ann died in Fleming Co KY. June Lee Mefford Kinkead in "Our Kentucky Pioneers" gave a listing for the children of John/Margaret Kincaid of Versailles, Woodford Co. KY. John died in 1817. I have no idea where the listing came from or how accurate the added info is though I believe the children are named in his will. Could this be one of the Thomas's in Montgomery Co.? Joseph d 1822 m Nancy John Archibald m Priscilla McBride in 1792 James, lived in Woodford Co. Thomas, went to Montgomery Co. KY William d 1821 wife Elizabeth Jane m Davis, child: Preston Davis Archibald is a name that appears on the Great Calf Pasture River in Augusta Co. VA where Capt. Wm/Eleanor were from. There were 3 Archibald Kincaids in the Augusta/Bath Co. VA after 1800 so the name Archibald is not exclusive to the A & A family. John the Weaver sold part of his Calf Pasture land to a John/Margaret. My hypothesis is that this John/Margaret is the one in Versailles. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Roth" <jroth93947@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] George Kincaid/Polly Heaton > Barbara, > I don't know who Polly Heaton's parents were, but I'd guess they were from > PA. I think George is the son of Archibald and Janet. I don't know which > Kincaid married a Heaton in MO. Maybe something here can help. > 10-21-1788 Bourbon Co, KY - William Caldwell and Andrew Kincaid witnessed > the sale of 200 acres on Flat Run by Manoah Singleton to Thomas Fletcher > in the pre-emption of Jacob Johnson to Manoah Singleton. I don't think > this is Andrew of Archibald/Andrew as he is on the 1790 Cumberland Co, PA > census. Andrew, son of Archibald, married Ann Patterson Caldwell > 8-13-1807. It appears two Andrew Kincaids had a relationship with William > Caldwell or two different William Caldwells. > > 1793 Bourbon Co, KY Tax List > John, David, Andrew Kincaid, John Townsley > John Townsley, brother of Janet and Martha, was living in Cynthiana, KY in > 1793. Brother Thomas Townsley joined him later, and brother George > Townsley joined them when they moved to Ohio abt 1801. They are all living > in Greene Co, OH, Xenia Twp in 1820. There is a John Heaton also living in > Xenia Twp. > 1795 Bourbon Co, KY Tax List: Andrew, Archibald, David, James, William and > Andrew Kincaid > I vaguely recall reading somewhere that William was the father of Andrew > and that Andrew's wife was Ann Pogue? > 1796 Bourbon Co, KY Tax List: Andrew, Archibald, David, Capt Andrew, > Andrew Sr, Joseph Kincaid > 1797 Bourbon Co, KY Tax List: David, Capt Andrew, Joseph Kincaid > David d1795 in Bourbon - did anyone ever find a marriage for his daughter > Mary? > Is Capt Andrew the one who moved to MO? If so, maybe the unknown Mary > Kincaid m John Caldwell 3-13-1803 is his daughter. > Joseph d1797 in Bourbon and William Martin and Walter Caldwell were > witnesses to his will. He married Jane Martin 6-25-1795 Harrison. > 1797 Montgomery Co, KY Tax List: David, Jonathan Kincaid > 1800 Montgomery Co, KY Tax List: Andrew, Archibald, David, John and Thomas > Kincaid > David:1810 Montgomery Co, KY census 358-17 - 0 0 1 1 1 * 0 2 1 0 0 - Was > one of his daughters named Mary? > I think John (not Archibald's son) moved to Decatur Co, IN about 1831: > 1810 Montgomery: 379-42 - 1 2 0 1 0 * 3 0 0 1 0 > I think Thomas is the unknown Thomas: 1810 Montgomery: 361-23 - 1 1 0 1 0 > * 0 1 1 0 0 or 374-22 - 1 1 0 1 0 * 1 0 0 1 0 (one m Mary Kincaid > 3-3-1800) > Archibald: 1810 Montgomery Co, KY censes: 354-22 - 0 2 0 0 1 * 0 1 0 1 0 > If this census is correct, Archibald's wife would have been born after > 1765. The 1790 household has four males born before 1774 including > Archibald and Andrew. Possibilities - the census is not correct, Archibald > had a wife before Janet, Janet died and he married again. > I think the 2 males 10-16 in the household are sons George born 1780-90 > and William born about 1793-94. > The daughter 10-16 is said to be Martha b1794-1800. Martha is said to have > married Richard Stone. Richard Stone is in the 1810 Montgomery Co census > page 354-13: 3 1 0 1 0 * 2 0 0 1 0. If this is the correct Richard and > Martha, both would have been born 1770-1790 and married about 1795 in PA > or KY. That would make Martha one of the unknown older daughters of > Archibald and Janet. They are not found in 1820, so the ages cannot be > checked. > I think the female 10-16 in Archibald's household may be ward Polly Heaton > rather than daughter Martha. > George and Polly are in the 1840 Greene Co census page 70-6. He is age > 50-60, she is age 40-50. They are not in the 1850 census. Archibald's son > William married Polly Small and Barbara Neal. William paid tax on land in > Bath County through 1835. I have not found them in 1840 or 1850. Nor have > I seen the actual land records in Greene Co,IL, but it looks like William > may have bought land but the deed was given to Barbara. In 1860 Greene Co, > IL, page 929-2078, Barbara is listed with son Archibald. Family 2079 is > headed by John Heaton 37, bPA (1812). > Judy > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Barbara Van Hout <dutchtreat@prodigy.net> > To: Kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 9:34:17 AM > Subject: [KINCAID] George Kincaid/Polly Heaton > > Judy, > You wrote that Archibald Kincaid of Montgomery/Bath counties in Kentucky > was the guardian of Polly Heaton. Who were her parents? I don't find a > Heaton family in the 1810 and 1820 censuses for Montgomery and Bath > counties of KY. If Archibald Kincaid was her guardian, then the George > Kincaid who married Polly was the son of Andrew/Martha or son of > Archibald/Janette? > > George Kincaid was in the 1830 Greene County, IL census. He was next to > James > Kincaid and William T. Kincaid---all of the Kincaids a. 40-50. Just above > them in the 1830 Greene Co, IL census were Andrew Hamilton a. 50-60 > (married > Elizabeth Kincaid--the census shows 1 F a. 50-60) and Thomas H Hamilton a. > 20-30, > 1 M under 5 and 1 F a. 20-30. > > > George Kincaid, 1830 Greene Co, IL census: > Males: > 2 under 5; 2 a. 5-10; 1 a. 10-15; 1 a. 40-50 > Females: > 1 a. 5-10; 1 a. 10-15; 1 a. 15-20; 1 a. 30-40. > > The 1830 Greene County, IL census shows a Heaton family----Orange B. > Heaton, born in Thetford, Orange County, Vermont. Was he a relative of > Polly Heaton? > > Information about Dr. Orange B. Heaton: > > Orange Barber Heaton, father-in-law of John Ebsworth Owsley, was born 28 > Oct 1802. in Thetford, Orange, VT and died in 1876. He was the son of > Orange Heaton I (1761-1843) and his second wife Jessimina Smith. Orange > Heaton I served as a private during the Revolutionary War in Olcott’s > Vermont Militia. > > The family is lisited on the 1810 census as residing in Thetford Vermont. > > In 1827 he received his medical degree from the University of Vermont. > > He married (1) Emily Bledsoe on 28 July 1829, daughter of Moses Owsley > Bledsoe and Sophia Childress Taylor. > > Emily Bledsoe, the daughter of Moses Bledsoe and Sophia Childress Taylor, > was born 31 March, 1811. > > Emily married Dr. Orange B. Heaton 28 July 1829 in St. Louis Missouri. > Soon after their marriage they moved to Illinois where Orange became a > "very significant land owner". Approximately 100 separate Illinois Public > Land Purchase Records are available on Ancestry.com. for Orange Heaton. > Orange B. Heaton’s name also appears in the legal papers of Abraham > Lincoln > > Their family is listed on the 1830, Greene, Illinois Census and on the > 1840 census for Carrollton, Illinois. Not much is known about their > marriage or their life after. > > More records here: > http://owsleytidepool.org/AncestralReflectionsMilancie/HeatonOrangeB.htm > > > This connection to the Owsley family may be important, because there was a > Kincaid marriage to an Owsley in Lincoln Co, KY in the mid-1800's. Who is > this John Kincaid, witness to the will of Samuel Owsley? > >>From the will of Samuel Owsley, 1851, Lincoln Co, KY > I do hereby constitute & appoint Samuel O. Middleton & my wife Eliza > Owsley Executor & executrix of this my last will & testament. In testimony > whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal this 24th day of July 1851. > Witness Samuel Owsley (seal) > Wm Pawling > John Craig > John Kincaid > Mary Carns > > http://www.owsleyfamily.org/owsleywills.html > > > > Barbara > > > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have sent a new chart to Alice. Depending on her schedule it could take a day or so to appear on her web page. Some of the participants in Group A sets will notice they are not in the same order within the set. I wanted to emphasize geographical references and possible connections rather than scattered mutations that may or may not have any meaning. Remember that the gray shading is to help your eyes move across the page. It does not have any special meaning. Please let me know directly seleaml@actionnet.net if I need to correct anything before posting the next chart in August. I definately make errors. If you communicate with me directly, PLEASE include your Group-set and kit number. We have over 100 participants and sometimes my occassionally befuddled mind needs a reminder of which ancestor and set of results we are communicating about. It would be great if some of you who have not vetted their line would find time to put together a vetting post this month. Knowing the DNA reading is only half of making connections using that information. Assurance that indeed every participant links to their given earliest ancestor helps sort possible connections and define possible group structures. Sometimes we cannot find solid proof getting back as far as we know we should go but vetting as far back as solid proof is a available may allow concentrated effort on finding material to justify the iffier linkage. By posting the vetting information you also may find cousins among those who are not in the project. I will be happy to review for clarity and format any vetting post before it goes to the list. A few words about some of the columns in the chart. Surname column. If I have not put the correct spelling for your ancestor let me know. Particularly after 1800 or so this can make a difference as spellings became crystalized and less reliant on other peoples guesses about how the name should be spelled. The State/Province/Country and County/Shire columns should be the one you most associate with your ancestor or where you might seek to make connections. It might be the first place you find him, it might be a birth, marriage or death place, or it might be where he spent most of his adult life. The choice is up to you. In the comment column some participants have a possible/probable father for the earliest ancestor. Also in this column some participants who share and earliest ancestor with another participant have an indication of which son they descend from. I would like to carry the lineage down until they divirge for each of the multiple lines from the same ancestor but I will need that information for those lines I do not already show. The line migration column attempts to follow the lineage as it moves from location to location down to the 1850 census. Doing this allows others to see where their ancestors may have crossed paths with this line. There are only a few participants who have not traced their line back to 1850. Giving the movement of their line up to 1900 may be of help. I do not have line migration for all participants. Sue Liedtke