Peter, Did I miss something? 2564 matches up with whom? Please fill me in if there is a new version of and to the chart.  Thanks.....Jeff Bergman 8th great grandson of John and Nancy Young Kincaid.. ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@auracom.com> To: KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:40:49 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA chart Fascinating news on the DNA front.  So the Fincastle Kincaids appear to match up with Andrew of Greenbrier (Will 1810)! If only Olvia Brisbin was alive to hear this.  On the other front John Kincaid (m. Ann Graham) lines up with Rev. Joseph Kincaid of Killinchy, County Down.  What interesting news!  Look forward to seeing these genealogies worked out. Gotta love this DNA technology. Peter

Jeff, this post was originally made when the results for 55675 and 60141 were first returned. The marker 4 (DYS391) and marker 35 (DYS CDYb) mutations that Peter's comments are refering to appear to have occured as parallel mutations several times within the project so basing a relationship or lack of relationship on these mutations is a bit iffy unless the paper trail suggests otherwise. The mutations cannot be dismissed and should be confirmed or isolated if at all possible. Within Group A set 1c, which is based on the marker 4 mutation to 11 for want of any other distinguishing attribute, we know that: #4588, #92549 and #5850 all seem to have inherited the mutation from Robert/Mary Bowman. #33001 has a paper trail that suggests that his mutation is parallel and occurred downline from a common ancestor with #101753 who does not have the mutation. #55675, #35199 and #2564 may have had a common source for the mutation as the 1800 families do know and interact with each other, however, #55675's ancestor does have a close association with earliest ancestors (including those of #60141, #2565 and #31493) who do not have the mutation. #15779, #23547 and #64507 lines do not cross paths with any of the others during the known line histories, it is hard to say how ancient their mutation is or whether or not it is probable (though definately possible) it came from a common ancestor with anyone else in the set.. Mutations to 11 at marker 4 also occur in A-1b, A-2a, A-2b and A-4. In each of these cases it would be unlikely that the mutation was from a common ancestor with any of the others or with any in A-1c. Sue Liedtke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Bergman" <jeffancom@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA chart Peter, Did I miss something? 2564 matches up with whom? Please fill me in if there is a new version of and to the chart. Thanks.....Jeff Bergman 8th great grandson of John and Nancy Young Kincaid.. ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@auracom.com> To: KINCAID-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:40:49 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] DNA chart Fascinating news on the DNA front. So the Fincastle Kincaids appear to match up with Andrew of Greenbrier (Will 1810)! If only Olvia Brisbin was alive to hear this. On the other front John Kincaid (m. Ann Graham) lines up with Rev. Joseph Kincaid of Killinchy, County Down. What interesting news! Look forward to seeing these genealogies worked out. Gotta love this DNA technology. Peter To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotesin the subject and the body of the message

The last of #122441's ordered tests have been returned. He has only 2 variances from the Group A Apparent Ancestral Value. The most significant one is at marker 15 (DYS 459b) where he has the set 2 nine instead of the set 1 ten. The only other variance occurs at marker 31 (DSY 607) where he has a 15 instead of the AAV 14. He has been placed in Group A set 2a. His results have tremendous significance because it is believed he descends from John/Margaret Miles Kincaid. The researcher for this line appears to be dilagent and the anticipation is that he can be vetted to this ancestor without problem. When vetted his results will isolate the marker 4 (DYS 391) mutation to 11 of #4164 (who is vetted to George/Jean Mitchell through son John/Margaret) downline from John/Margaret. Vetting will also isolate #122441's marker 31 mutation downline from John/Margaret as #4164 does not have this mutation. Marker 4 (DYS 391) is our greatest problem in looking at possible pathways between the various sets in Group A. This site is considered stable but we have what looks like many parallel mutations to the value of 11 scattered throughout the sets and subsets for Group A.. Parallel mutations are thought to be rare so there has always been the possibility that somehow those with an 11 at this marker may have inherited the mutation from a single event which would mean that parallel mutations had occured at several other sites. Isolating as many mutations to 11 as possible significantly reduces the remote chance that the chart interpretation of DNA results is in error and decreases the importance of this particular mutation in the overall family structure. A possible explanation for the observed volitility of marker 4 is that the Group A AAV of 12 is at the very top of the observed range for this marker and the site is much more unstable at this value than it is at lower values. Since a repetition of a string cannot be added any mutation means a drop to the value of 11. There may also be an inherited propensity for the cell not to repair mutations that occur during reproductive division making some lines more prone to mutation than others. Sue Liedtke