Okay, so to be sure before I start, Peter, you are saying that you do not believe that James Kinkead, coroner and recorder of Westmoreland County, PA is not the son of John Kinkead of Sadsbury Township, Chester County, PA. Is that correct? Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@primus.ca> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 7:46:25 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kinkead, Coroner & Recorder of Westmoreland County, PA Forgive me Norman in that all I have to go on here is information in your timelines. You link people to places but I can't see how you came to this as I do not have the full information that you have. I don't see how you link James Kincaid, coroner to any other place. I am reacting to you point: "I now have enough circumstancial evidence to place them within the Sadsbury, West Caln, East Caln Townships, Chester County, PA Kincaid family cluster." I noted that the recent DNA result does not link the Sadsbury Kincaids to James Kincaid (m. Margaret Kuhns). I pointed this out because I am going on the assumption that James Kincaid (m. Margaret Kuhns) is connected to James Kincaid, the coroner. This is based on your placement of him in Hempfield township in 1773. It seems to me that since the Kuhns James and the Coroner James are both from Hempfield one would look to a relation. I understand from a previous post that Margaret's grandfather, Philip Kuhns, was Sheriff of Westmoreland County. Would one not further suspect one from the Coroner's line is of similar social status to marry one of the Sheriff's line? Given the times, I do, so I assume that the Kuhns James is of the Coroner James' line. Assumptions aside I hope this one could be figured out. I have a keen interest in Kuhn James' ancestry as I have a common ancestor with sample 15550. Best wishes! Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kinkead,Coroner & Recorder of Westmoreland County, PA Nevertheless, I'm still grouped with sample 15550 on the Family Tree DNA chart along with 2519. Plue you stated: "I think the results for sample 119921 (a reputed descendant of the Sadsbury Kincaids) elimates the likelihood that James Kincaid (m. Margaret Kuhns) of Westmoreland County, PA (represented by sample 15550) is of the Sadsbury Kincaids." If that is so why would I continue to look to the Sadsbury Township, Chester County, PA Kincaids for his paper trail? Especially when I lose track of James Kinkead the Coroner after 1786? I still think James W. Kinkead is from the Cumberland County, PA Kincaids. Although, lately, I have found vague connections between the Cumberland County Kincaids and the Chester County, PA Kincaids. Also I'm having trouble accessing Alice Gedge's table so I am unable to review the updates there. I'm still looking at the warrants, deeds, and surveys in Westmoreland County after 1786 to find more definitive answers to where James Kincaid, coroner, died. I still don't believe he is the guy who died in 1812 in Brooke County, VA, later WV. Although it appears that he is the James Kinkead in the Board of Property Case. Sincerely Norman Kincaide To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Actually, I am saying that I don't see how you equate James the coroner with James the son of John of Sadsbury. I see how John of Sadsbury had daughters who ended up in Hempfield township (Sumrell/Kilpatrick). John's son James seems to have been there. However, what makes him the coroner? We certainly have Kuhn James in Hempfield in the 1830s. If he is of the Dickinson township Kincaids what brought him there? How do you link him to Dickinson and not to the earlier coroner James? Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kinkead,Coroner & Recorder of Westmoreland County, PA Okay, so to be sure before I start, Peter, you are saying that you do not believe that James Kinkead, coroner and recorder of Westmoreland County, PA is not the son of John Kinkead of Sadsbury Township, Chester County, PA. Is that correct? Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@primus.ca> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 7:46:25 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kinkead, Coroner & Recorder of Westmoreland County, PA Forgive me Norman in that all I have to go on here is information in your timelines. You link people to places but I can't see how you came to this as I do not have the full information that you have. I don't see how you link James Kincaid, coroner to any other place. I am reacting to you point: "I now have enough circumstancial evidence to place them within the Sadsbury, West Caln, East Caln Townships, Chester County, PA Kincaid family cluster." I noted that the recent DNA result does not link the Sadsbury Kincaids to James Kincaid (m. Margaret Kuhns). I pointed this out because I am going on the assumption that James Kincaid (m. Margaret Kuhns) is connected to James Kincaid, the coroner. This is based on your placement of him in Hempfield township in 1773. It seems to me that since the Kuhns James and the Coroner James are both from Hempfield one would look to a relation. I understand from a previous post that Margaret's grandfather, Philip Kuhns, was Sheriff of Westmoreland County. Would one not further suspect one from the Coroner's line is of similar social status to marry one of the Sheriff's line? Given the times, I do, so I assume that the Kuhns James is of the Coroner James' line. Assumptions aside I hope this one could be figured out. I have a keen interest in Kuhn James' ancestry as I have a common ancestor with sample 15550. Best wishes! Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kinkead,Coroner & Recorder of Westmoreland County, PA Nevertheless, I'm still grouped with sample 15550 on the Family Tree DNA chart along with 2519. Plue you stated: "I think the results for sample 119921 (a reputed descendant of the Sadsbury Kincaids) elimates the likelihood that James Kincaid (m. Margaret Kuhns) of Westmoreland County, PA (represented by sample 15550) is of the Sadsbury Kincaids." If that is so why would I continue to look to the Sadsbury Township, Chester County, PA Kincaids for his paper trail? Especially when I lose track of James Kinkead the Coroner after 1786? I still think James W. Kinkead is from the Cumberland County, PA Kincaids. Although, lately, I have found vague connections between the Cumberland County Kincaids and the Chester County, PA Kincaids. Also I'm having trouble accessing Alice Gedge's table so I am unable to review the updates there. I'm still looking at the warrants, deeds, and surveys in Westmoreland County after 1786 to find more definitive answers to where James Kincaid, coroner, died. I still don't believe he is the guy who died in 1812 in Brooke County, VA, later WV. Although it appears that he is the James Kinkead in the Board of Property Case. Sincerely Norman Kincaide To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotesin the subject and the body of the message
Here are several records for James Kinkead in Westmoreland County, PA. There are more records for this group of people at the website below. http://mimpickles.com/lindsey/westmo/westmo.htm The 1773 & 1776 dates for this James Kinkead matches the information that Norman sent. Thomas Sumrall may have been the brother of John Sumrall/Simeral. 1773 James Kenkead [000013] taxed in Hempfield Township, Bedford County, PA at 2.0. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 22, p. 28. 1773 John Simeral taxed in Hempfield Township, Bedford County, PA at 1.0. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 22, p. 29. 1773 Thomas Kilpatrick taxed in Hempfield Township, Bedford County, PA at 1.0. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v. 22, p. 29. 1773 James Kinkead [000013] brother-in-law, appointed executor of John Sumrall's will, of Westmoreland County, PA, will written, Feb. 24, 1773, proved, April 8, 1773. Chester County Historical Society, West Chester, PA, Kincaid file. 1773: William Lindsay witnessed the will of Thomas Sumrall/Simeral (Westmoreland Co., PA Will Book 1, Page 1). The map of Westmoreland Co., above, shows the name Sumeral just above the yellow dot which represents the location of William Lindsay's land. The Simeral family operated a ferry on the Youghiogheny River in this area. Thomas was the son of Alexander and Jean Lindsey Simeral (m. ca. 1737) who had moved to Westmoreland Co. from Chester Co. ca. 1773. Jean was the daughter of Samuel Lindsey of Chester Co. (Source: The Abridged Compendium of American Genealogy, edited by Frederick A. Virkus. Baltimore, Genealogical Publishing Co., 1968: Volume VII, Lineage Records, Pages 134 and 400). Source: FHL film # 0929165 Westmoreland County Deed Book Vol. A, Pg. 271: Gedison Miller to Casper Miracle 27 Sep. 1773 Huntingdon Township, on waters of Big Sewickley, 400 acres Adj.: Robert Miller, Clement Finley, Thomas White, Thomas Smallman Witnesses: Henry Smith, James Kinkead William Lindsay to Samuel Whitsett, both of Hempfield Township For 50 pounds, 300 acres on the waters of Beaver Run, being the same land conveyed by Mr. Mason to John Mason, unto William Lindsay. Bounded by lands of: John Christy, William Jack, William Graham, and others. Signed William Lindsay, 26 March 1776 Witnessed by James Kinkead. http://mimpickles.com/lindsey/westmo/westmo.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kinkead,Coroner & Recorder of Westmoreland County, PA Okay, so to be sure before I start, Peter, you are saying that you do not believe that James Kinkead, coroner and recorder of Westmoreland County, PA is not the son of John Kinkead of Sadsbury Township, Chester County, PA. Is that correct? Sincerely Norman Kincaide ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaids@primus.ca> To: kincaid@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 7:46:25 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kinkead, Coroner & Recorder of Westmoreland County, PA Forgive me Norman in that all I have to go on here is information in your timelines. You link people to places but I can't see how you came to this as I do not have the full information that you have. I don't see how you link James Kincaid, coroner to any other place. I am reacting to you point: "I now have enough circumstancial evidence to place them within the Sadsbury, West Caln, East Caln Townships, Chester County, PA Kincaid family cluster." I noted that the recent DNA result does not link the Sadsbury Kincaids to James Kincaid (m. Margaret Kuhns). I pointed this out because I am going on the assumption that James Kincaid (m. Margaret Kuhns) is connected to James Kincaid, the coroner. This is based on your placement of him in Hempfield township in 1773. It seems to me that since the Kuhns James and the Coroner James are both from Hempfield one would look to a relation. I understand from a previous post that Margaret's grandfather, Philip Kuhns, was Sheriff of Westmoreland County. Would one not further suspect one from the Coroner's line is of similar social status to marry one of the Sheriff's line? Given the times, I do, so I assume that the Kuhns James is of the Coroner James' line. Assumptions aside I hope this one could be figured out. I have a keen interest in Kuhn James' ancestry as I have a common ancestor with sample 15550. Best wishes! Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] James Kinkead,Coroner & Recorder of Westmoreland County, PA Nevertheless, I'm still grouped with sample 15550 on the Family Tree DNA chart along with 2519. Plue you stated: "I think the results for sample 119921 (a reputed descendant of the Sadsbury Kincaids) elimates the likelihood that James Kincaid (m. Margaret Kuhns) of Westmoreland County, PA (represented by sample 15550) is of the Sadsbury Kincaids." If that is so why would I continue to look to the Sadsbury Township, Chester County, PA Kincaids for his paper trail? Especially when I lose track of James Kinkead the Coroner after 1786? I still think James W. Kinkead is from the Cumberland County, PA Kincaids. Although, lately, I have found vague connections between the Cumberland County Kincaids and the Chester County, PA Kincaids. Also I'm having trouble accessing Alice Gedge's table so I am unable to review the updates there. I'm still looking at the warrants, deeds, and surveys in Westmoreland County after 1786 to find more definitive answers to where James Kincaid, coroner, died. I still don't believe he is the guy who died in 1812 in Brooke County, VA, later WV. Although it appears that he is the James Kinkead in the Board of Property Case. Sincerely Norman Kincaide To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KINCAID-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message To see the Kincaid of all spellings DNA chart in Excel: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adgedge/Research/April%202004/Kincaid%20%20DNA.xls-------------------------------Tounsubscribefromthelist,pleasesend an emailtoKINCAID-request@rootsweb.com withtheword'unsubscribe'withoutthequotesin the subject and the body ofthemessage