In your message that did not post as oderly as the one below you stated: "Hi, Peter, I believe that the Widow Kinkead in Tyrone Township is the mother of Andrew & Archibald Kinkead and the following may prove that she is." I was commenting that a reader would debate whether this is proof based on tax lists and deed summaries without descriptions and without addressing other points of concern. One must remember, and I made this point with some of the vetting posts, is that a specialist in a line intimate with all the details can feel that the information they are providing is sufficient to make a point but it does not. The reason being is that the reader does not have all the other details in the poster's head and the reader/critic may have other details in their head that changes their interpretation of the data. Now the last point is key here because there is a lot of dated posts relating to Kincaids in this area which is certainly confusing me. My comment about Thomas Kinkead's sale to David Dunseath has to be expanded in terms of details because one needs to address this in terms of any proof relating to widow Kinkead and other Kinkeads in the are - perhaps simply because of misinformation out there. Let me touch on the issue at hand in terms of dated posts. Back in 2002 you have a post which states: ===== I have done research on the branch of Kincaids from which Clingan Kincaid descends, his father was Thomas Kincaid of Carlisle, Cumberland County, PA, whose father was John Kinkead, merchant of Carlisle 1720-1772, Thomas married Hannah Clingan and moved to Tenn. some time after the Revolutionary War. Sincerely Norman Kincaide ===== Now this was all dated when sample 93625, an apparent descendant of John of Carlisle, did not match sample 9736, a descendant of Thomas Kinkead (married Hannah Clingan). I think what is leading me astray now with the dated data is the notion of Thomas Kinkead (m. Hannah Clingan) having ties to Tyrone Township, Cumberland County, PA. It seems that John the shopkeeper had a son Thomas (m. Hannah) with ties to Tyrone township but this is not the Clingan Thomas. I seems to me now that what is also being suggested is that the other early Tyrone township Kinkeads (widow, Archibald and Andrew) are another family not of the Clingan Thomas line. It also seems to me that what is now suggested is that the Clingan Thomas line was in Hamilton township, Cumberland County, PA. Best wishes! Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman.kincaide@yahoo.com> To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 2:29 AM Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Widow Kinkead > > I'm not sure that I understand what is open to debate? Thomas Kinkead's > land as compared to Widow Kinkead's land? > > Sincerely > Norman Kincaide > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Peter A. Kincaid <7kincaid@nb.sympatico.ca> > To: kincaid@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 10:35:23 PM > Subject: Re: [KINCAID] Widow Kinkead > > Seems to be open to debate without actual deeds. Near as I can > tell this appears to be land in what became Madison Township, > Perry County. Looks like the Liberty Valley area. What was > the description of the land that Thomas Kinkead sold to > David Dunseath in 1777? What became of this land? Any > proof would have to address this question as well. > > Peter > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norman Kincaide" <norman..kincaide@yahoo.com> > To: <kincaid@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 11:08 PM > Subject: [KINCAID] Widow Kinkead > > >> >> I hope this cleaned up timeline is better. >> >> 1767 Widow Kinkead [1263] taxed in Tyrone Township, Cumberland County, PA >> for 100 acres warranted acres, 10 cleared. Cumberland County Historical >> Society, Carlisle, PA >> >> 1767 Widow Kinkead [1263] John Nicholson, West Side application #3727, >> for >> 200 acres on May 26, 1767, bounded by theTuscarora Mountains, Richard >> Nicholson, Conecocheague hills, Widow Kinkead, Buffaloe Creek running >> through the same in Tyrone Township, Cumberland County, PA. Pennsylvania >> State Archives, RG-17, >> Records of the Land Office, WEST SIDE APPLICATIONS: NUMERIC LISTING OF >> APPLICATIONS, 1766-1769, p. 306. >> >> Notice that Richard Nicholson is an adjacent landowner to John Nicholson >> and Widow Kinkead. >> >> 1768 Widow Kinkead [1263] taxed in Tyrone Township, Cumberland County, PA >> for 100 warranted acres, 20 cleared, 2 horses, 2 cows. Cumberland County >> Historical Society, Carlisle, PA. >> >> 1769 Widow Kinkead [1263] taxed in Tyrone Township, Cumberland County, PA >> for 100 warranted acres, 10 cleared, 1 horse, 1 cow. Cumberland County >> Historical Society, Carlisle, PA. >> >> 1770 Widow Kinkead [1263] taxed in Tyrone Township, Cumberland County, PA >> for 100 acres, 15 cleared,1 horse, 2 cows. Cumberland County, PA, >> Historical Society. >> >> 1773 Widow Kinkead [1263] taxed in Tyrone Township, Cumberland County, PA >> for 100 warranted acres, 20 cleared, 1 horse, 1 cow. Cumberland County >> Historical Society, Carlisle, PA. >> >> 1774 Widow Kinkead [1263] taxed in Tyrone Township, Cumberland County, PA >> for 100 aces, 10 cleared, 1 horse, 2 cows. Cumberland County Historical >> Society, Carlisle, PA >> >> 1775 Archibald Kinkead [000014] taxed in Tyrone Township, Cumberland >> County, PA for 50 acres, 10 cleared,1 horse, 1 cow. Cumberland County >> Historical Society, Carlisle, PA. >> >> Archibald Kinkead is now taxed for 50 acres in Tyrone Township and Widow >> Kinkead disappears. >> >> 1776 Archibald Kinkead [000014] taxed in Tyrone Township, Cumberland >> County, PA for 60 acres, 10 cleared, 1 horse, 1 cow. Cumberland County >> Historical Society, Carlisle, PA. >> >> 1779 Archibald Kincaid [000014] taxed in Tyrone Township, Cumberland >> County, PA for 200 acres, 3 horses, 4 cows. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, >> v. 20, p. 230. >> >> 1779 Andrew[1263] & Archibald Kinkead, [000014] executors, of John >> Nicholson’s estate, will written, March 14, 1779, proved, March 27, 1781. >> Abstracts of Cumberland County, PA Wills, 1750-1785, p. 17.. >> >> 1779 Mary Kincaid. [1263] Alexander Watts, farmer, Toboyne Township, >> Cumberland County, PA & wife, Isabel, sold 100 acres in Toboyne Township, >> Cumberland County, PA to James Watts & Archebel Watts, farmers, of >> Toboyne >> Township, Cumberland County, PA for 200 pounds, east of Mary Kincaid >> [1263] on November 10, 1779. Cumberland County Historical Society, >> Carlisle, PA. >> >> Notice that Andrew and Archibald are executors of John Nicholson's >> estate. >> See John Nicholson's application >> above. >> >> 1780 Archibald Kinkead [000014] taxed in Tyrone Township, Cumberland >> County, PA for 100 acres, 2 horses, 3 cows. Cumberland County Historical >> Society, Carlisle, PA; Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, v.. 20, p. 362. >> >> 1781 Archibald Kinkaid [000014] taxed in Tyrone Township, Cumberland >> County, PA for 100 acres, 3 horses, 3 cows. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, >> v. 20, p. 487. >> 1782 Archibald Kinkead [000014] taxed in Tyrone Township, Cumberland >> County, PA for 80 acres, 3 horses, 4 cows. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, >> v. >> 20, p. 645. >> >> 1785 Archibald Kinkead [000014] taxed in Tyrone Township, Cumberland >> County, PA for 250 acres, 3 horses, 2 cows. Pennsylvania Archives, s. 3, >> v. 20, p. 764. >> >> 1785 Archibald Kinkead [000014] & William Linn purchased 200 acres in >> Tyrone Township, Cumberland County, PA from Richard Nicholson & wife, >> Margaret, March 8, 1785. Cumberland County Court House, Carlisle, PA. >> >> 1788 Archibald [000014] & Andrew Kincade [1263] . The draught of a tract >> of land situate in Tyrone Township, Cumberland County containing three >> hundred and thirty six acres and 161 perches and allowance of six percent >> for roads, surveyed April 12th 1788 in pursuance of a warrant to >> Archibald >> & Andrew Kincade bearing date August 30th 1786. Sam’l Lyon D.S. To John >> Lukens Esqr. Surveyor General. Adjacent land owners: their other land, >> Conecocheague Hill, Robert Lylborn, by foot of Tuscarora Mountain, down >> Big Buffalo Creek through the middle of survey. Pennsylvania State >> Archives, RG-17,Records of the Land Office COPIED SURVEYS, 1681-1912, >> C-104, p. 148 >> >> See John Nicholson's application above. >> >> As for why taxable acreage fluctuates, I don't know. The owner could have >> rented out portions of his property or >> part of the acreage may not have been developed enough to be taxable. >> >> I hope this version is better. >> >> Sincerely >> Norman Kincaide >>